Mothers of Sect Children Forced to Leave

Google News ^ | 14 April 2008 | By JENNIFER DOBNER and MICHAEL GRACZYK

[Proud_USA_Republican]

Keep the mothers with their children? Reports state many of the teenage girls as young as 15 are pregnant. The children are being seperated from both parents so they can get the real story about what both of them where doing to them. Investigators at the shelter where the kids were being held said the mothers kept telling the children to give them different names each time and don’t identify who their parents are. Many of these kids have been tossed around so many families, they don’t even know who their parents are.
Former FLDS members have claimed being extremely physically absued by not just the males, but other females (rival wives and their children) due to the competition involved in mulitple wives.
This cult brought this trouble on themsevles.

[berdie]

Actually it is very much a legal issue.

This post is very different from your first post, or maybe I’m tired. What does this have to do with the Muslim community?

[BlackVeil]

I am kind of curious about the male to female breakdown of these children.

I wondered about that, as well.

Here is a list of the children, with as much detail as the authorities could muster. I have not done a count, and they are described as "a child" not boy or girl, but one can classify them by name:

http://www.myeldorado.net/Pages/LegalNotices.html

[mountainbunny]

I do not know where they get their money, but if they are like previous fundamentalist Mormons who have been convicted, a lot of their money may come from welfare fraud.

This is (forewarning) a pro-polygamy site that has an archived editorial on convicted child rapist, welfare cheat, and bigamist Tom Green: http://www.pro-polygamy.com/articles.php?news=0022

Interesting that people who freely advocate polygamy amongst adults don't like the FLDS any more than the rest of society.

A quick search using the terms "welfare fraud" and "polygamy" will give you all you need to know; mostly that you and I pay for these people to break the law and abuse children.

[DoughtyOne]

Sounds like the age of majority is five in those official’s minds.

This case is going to drag on for years, while kids five and up are stripped from their parents with our without cause.

Even if the authorities are justified in taking action, these cases are very very ugly.

[bonfire]

My daughter watched her and said “Mom, is she retarded?”

She sure looked “inbred”.

[wintertime]

If this case proceeds, then every suspected case of Islamic bigamy, female genital mutilation, and forced marriage must be investigated and prosecuted with the same fervor.

It won't be though. Down on the Animal Farm some religions are more equal than others.

Oink! Oink!

[wintertime]

So, again, I’m off the train of support for the State on this one. Based on the article, they’ve just taken a flying leap beyond the line of what is arguably reasonable and just with respect to the individual rights of the people involved with the FCJCLDS.

I completely agree!

The precedent that this sets is horrific. Will other members of other Christian religions be in danger of losing their children because of an anonymous phone call?

Also....Do you want to bet that the state authorities will turn a blind eye to **documented** Muslim abuses where **real** evidence exists?

[70th Division]

Gee sounds like most of the Arab world. Hate us, wish us dead but take our money. See a pattern here?

[wintertime]

My gut level says, probably a very bad thing.
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Many of these innocent children will be sexually abused in child welfare system!

That’s what my “gut” tells me.

[PapaBear3625]

Oh! That's it. Where does the religious cult get its funding? I have heard that they are heavily into welfare, with multiple payments to "single mothers" (who are actually plural wives) and so funds pile up in group households. Men in the group also have businesses in construction and so forth - small contractors.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the "single mothers" rented their apartments in the compound using Section 8 grants from the government (another source of income to the sect).

I also would not be surprised to discover a Food Stamp fraud scam bringing in some money

Unraveling all this may provide some good insight into how people scam the welfare system (if the bureaucrats allow the info to see the light of day)

[JRochelle]

Yes we will add you to the Flying Inman Ping list.

[keats5]

It would seem to make more sense, at first blush, to take the men off the ranch and leave the women and children. However, they have no right to arrest all the men without fist having grounds for arrest. They simply don’t have that. (Some of the men may not even be married.)

Apparently, they believe they have more legal grounds to protect the children, thus allowing for an order of temporary custody. At least they can point to the number of girls, who appear to be under the age of consent. Once they identify who impregnated these girls. Then they would have the right to remove those men from the ranch.

Having said that, I’m also upset they removed the mothers. It should have been enough to cut off their communication with the men to protect witness tampering.

[greyfoxx39]

What I see in this is an all out war the next time the state of Texas knocks on the door of a religious compound.

What I see in this is these kinds of perverts loading themselves up in a U-Haul and heading out of the state of Texas and closing down their compounds to avoid a knock on the door. Utah has room for them.

It might not pass the smell test unless they can produce the girl who made the call and so far they can't.

So, you really believe that if the authorities know who and where this girl is they are going to broadcast the information so that she will be a target for retaliation?

These fundamentalist mormon cults believe in blood atonement. Look it up.

[PennsylvaniaMom]

Massive welfare abuse. I would say 'fraud' but I gather that the babydaddys were pretty well schooled at how to play the system. The plural 'spiritual' wives claim welfare as 'single mothers.' Just estimation, but 400 children times $100 each per week ($400 per months) is $160,000 per month....that builds a pretty nice Temple I guess.

[keats5]

“Somebody correct me if I’m wrong but if Texas can’t produce the original complainant will all the evidence seized be fruit of the poisonous tree?”

Well now, I've been out of practice for awhile, but from what I remember from law school, the “fruit of the poisonous tree” requires that the governmental authorities act in bad faith, or at least sloppy negligence, when instituting their initial search. In this case, the authorities acted on what they believed was a bona fide complaint. If any fraud was committed, it was on the part of the complainant, not the government.

Anyhow, that's the argument I'd make in court if I were the prosecutor.

[lady lawyer]

Last night on Fox, Greta interviewed the lawyer for the supposed culprit, Dale Barlow. According to him, the Texas authorities had interviewed Barlow in Arizona, had corroborated the fact that Barlow hasn’t left Arizona in five years, had corroborated with Barlow’s parole officer that Barlow has been 100 percent compliant, and has never left the state. But they executed the warrant for Barlow in Texas, anyway. Good faith?

[lady lawyer]

PS. All of the foregoing was done BEFORE the warrant was executed. It seems to me the Texas authorities must have known they had a warrant for the wrong guy.

I’ve also heard that there was an almost identical call of complaint made to Arizona authorities at about the same time, but they didn’t follow up because they couldn’t get any corroboration.

[PennsylvaniaMom]

I can't get the CNN link to work for me, but from your description (and that of others) she must be one of the 'alpha females' of the group. One of the ones that was 'entrusted' with the almighty cell phone (to received instructions from hubby back at the compound).

How was Cooper's 'demeanor' towards her? Was he neutral, or could you detect an attitude?

[longtermmemmory]

ah but lets not forget.

you can’t shield a fake tip with a a good faith act. At least not from a motion for the court and appeal. They would have to show the call came from SOME number. They record all calls to police these days, there are pin registers.

If it turns out the call came from another cop, or from one of the prosecutors, then the good faith of the OTHER cops is not going to create a chinese wall.