Moscow's always uses proxies, as in Iran & Syria -- against Israel and against our forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.
When will Washington wake up concerning the enemy which is supplying our obvious enemies must be dealt with once and for all.
Posted on 04/11/2008 6:01:11 PM PDT by hanfei
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, Washington’s favorite Latin American bete noir after Fidel Castro, unsettled Washington again last year by negotiating a $1 billion deal with Moscow to purchase a number of 636-model Varshavianka-class (NATO designation “Kilo”) diesel electric submarines (Agentstvo Voyennykh Novostei, April 4).
Various Russian and Venezuelan media reports say that the initial delivery will consist of three to four boats with an eventual nine submarines from Russia. President Chavez is reportedly traveling to Moscow next month for the inauguration of Russia’s new president, Dmitry Medvedev, and while there will sign an agreement for the delivery of the first three boats (El Universal, April 4).
Venezuelan Ambassador to Russia Alexis Raphael Navarro Rochas undiplomatically observed that the purchase was a calculated slap at the United States, remarking, “The military collaboration between Venezuela and the U.S. was sharply reduced for two reasons: First, because of the U.S. refusal to fulfill previous contractual obligations, as a result of which Venezuela suffered serious losses; secondly, because of the complexities that arose with maintaining military technology already purchased from the U.S. This technology has already become obsolete.” In contrast, Rochas noted, "Russia carries out, and very thoroughly, all its obligations in the area of military technical collaboration"(RIA-Novosti, April 10).
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His economy is a basket case and he’s buying diesel subs. What a loon.
Besides using subs to intimidate their neighbors, Chavez’s red Venezuela can use them to supply arms to communist guerrillas in Latin and Central America, or to smuggle drugs and terrorists around the western hemisphere.
Time to take out this psycho.
Like Helike?
There does seem to be a ‘bear’ pattern at work around this globe... kinda like from Korea to Vietnam out of that north country.
Agreed.
Right, our technology is “obsolete” whereas Russian is cutting edge. Guess these guys couldn’t figure out how to work velcro.
Yes, Russia is one of the great troublemakers. Then there is China. These nations are Red, and we have been too weak to deal with the Communist bloc since we lost — expensively, unnecessarily, and inexcusably — at Vietnam.
India is their satellite, and we should be worried by the growing wealth and weaponry of these nations.
We can never ignore first and foremost our very own 'red' liberals. They are in tune with the ideology of these 'red' nations.
Our own Reds are the very reason we lost “expensively, unnecessarily, and inexcusably” at Vietnam. If all resources are conentrated on “managing” them in an isolationist way, however, we will play into the hands of the master strategists on the enemy side.
Isolationists such as Larouche are beloved of the CPSU.
yawn
he is just buying that stuff to protect his country from that lunatic W. sarc.
We must thereby assume that the much ballyhooed latin "machismo" is just another third world myth. While it might make for great lightweight boxers, it won't count for much without a determined group of patriots willing to lose all to end the terror. Today the price for removing Chavez is cheap. With new submarines the cost just reached "unacceptable"
Nobodies available, and the responsibility for an endless Chavez lies in the porous nature of America's borders and a laughable Immigration Policy.
Our flaccid President of the United States doesn't even supply, train or equip democratic freedom fighters. Why, because somewhere there's a cut going to the oil, operators, suppliers and the oil companies working there. So, George Bush is complicit with Chavez in the imposition and maintenance of the national slavery of Venezuela.
Anyone with guts enough to employ force to remove Chavez has either been murdured, imprisoned, or left to sneak into the USA or other nations.
If I possessed the racial and cultural noblaise, I'd move to that country and start some trouble maybe even a revolutionary movement. Realistically, once the marxists have come to power they hire outside intelligence officiers to protect them. I wonder whom guards this bully now? Putin, Raoul Castro, ex-East Germans, KBG, Chinese Intel? Certainly no friend of ours. Here in America we must force our "leaders" to pay attention and do their utmost to end this continued tragic farce.
With a wolfpack of ultra quiet littoral diesel subs, Chavez can sink any warship in our navy with a single torpedo, so Mr. President ignoring, cow-towing, or encouraging former street thugs can come back to savage your countrymen and her children. I pray that the day never comes when any US navy vessel is sunk by Chavez's new navy. I also pray that irony does not place the beautiful new Geo. H R Bush your father's namesake aircraft carrier in the Florida Straits in the sights of the submarines you allowed Chavez to aquire. It's only a matter of time before Chavez has his own nuclear missles pointed at us as well. Why do you think Chavez pow-wowed with Aminijihad, China and Putin. The time for action is long overdue Sir!
Lemme see.... Monroe Doctrine....er... I say we quietly send these subs to Davy Jones’ locker.
These are Kilo-class D/E boats and they aren’t as quiet as you think.
Good, AAC. Easier to find, easier to sink. Time for some real target practice. A Mark XIV (?) torpedo can really hurt.
FR mail to you.
| SYSTEM | Inventory | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class | Source | 1990 | 1995 | 2000 | 2002 | 2005 | 2010 | 2015 |
| SUBMARINES | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 3 | |
| Sabalo | Germany Type 20 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | - |
| FRIGATES | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | |
| Mariscal Sucre | Italy LUPO | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 |
| CORVETTES | - | - | - | - | - | - | 4 | |
| Spain AFCON | - | - | - | - | - | - | 4 | |
| COASTAL PATROL | 13 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 10 | |
| MISSILE CRAFT | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | |
| Constitucion | UK Vocker 37m | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 |
| RIVER PATROL | 7 | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
| Patrol Craft | 7 | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
| AMPHIBIOUS | 7 | 18 | 18 | 18 | 18 | 18 | 18 | |
| Capana | Russia LST 1171 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Amazones | US LST 542 | 1 | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| LCU | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | |
| LCVP | - | 12 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 12 | 12 | |
| MISC | 5 | 3 | 5 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | |
| Log. Support Craft | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | |
| Transport Craft | 2 | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
| Survey Craft | 1 | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
| Punta Brava | AGOR | - | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| AGHS | - | - | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | |
| Sail Training Craft | - | - | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | |
| Oiler | - | - | - | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | |
| NAVAL AIRCRAFT | ||||||||
| ASW | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 9 | 9 | 9 | |
| Italy AB-212A SW | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 9 | 9 | 9 | |
| MR | 4 | 4 | 7 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | |
| C-212-200 MPA | 4 | 4 | 4 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | |
| C-212-400 | - | - | 3 | - | - | - | - | |
| TRANSPORT | 4 | 4 | 4 | 9 | 13 | 13 | 13 | |
| UK BAE-748 | 1 | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
| C-212 Aviocar | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 5 | 5 | 5 | |
| DHC-7 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | |
| Rockwell Commander 680 | - | 1 | 1 | - | - | - | - | |
| C-212 | - | - | - | 3 | - | - | - | |
| Super King Air | - | - | - | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | |
| King Air | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | - | |
| Aerocommander 980C | - | - | - | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | |
| TRAINING | - | - | - | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | |
| Cessna 402 | - | - | - | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | |
| Cessna 210 | - | - | - | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | |
| Cessna 310Q | - | - | - | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | |
| LIAISON | 7 | 3 | 6 | - | - | - | - | |
| Cessna 310 | 3 | 1 | 1 | - | - | - | - | |
| Cessna 402 | 1 | 1 | 1 | - | - | - | - | |
| King Air 90 | 1 | 1 | 1 | - | - | - | - | |
| MU-2 | 1 | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
| Super King Air 200 | 1 | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
| C-212-400 | - | - | 3 | - | - | - | - | |
| HELICOPTERS | 2 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 5 | 4 | 4 | |
| Bell 47J | 2 | 2 | - | - | - | - | - | |
| Bell 412 EP | - | - | 4 | 4 | 4 | 3 | 3 | |
| Bell 206B | - | - | - | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | |
| Bell 212 | - | - | - | 1 | - | - | - | |
| COAST GUARD | ||||||||
| PATROL OFFSHORE | 4 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | |
| Almirante Clemente | Italy Frigate | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Larrazabal | US Ocean Tug | 2 | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Miguel Rodriguez | US Ocean Tug | - | 1 | - | - | - | - | - |
| PATROL INSHORE | - | 6 | 32 | 44 | 44 | 44 | 44 | |
| Petrel | US Point Class Cutter | - | 2 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| PCI | - | 4 | - | - | - | - | - | |
| River Patrol Craft | - | - | 27 | 27 | 27 | 27 | 27 | |
| Support Ship | - | - | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | |
| Gairon PCI | - | - | - | 12 | 12 | 12 | 12 | |
Russia provides weapons to Chavez, while Pelosi destroys a trade treaty with Columbia, therby affecting Columbia’s ability to economically and militarily defend itself as a free and democratic nation against Chavez.
Why do liberals so glory in condemning free societies and peoples to tyranny - to death?? Columbia....Iraq......
Ooops! Typo. That should be “Type 209” for the current Venezuelan submarines.
You must excuse some of us for not joining you - you see, there's this little rumble in the Middle East that's been requiring our attention for sometime now.
Yes, we would dearly like to divert the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, and Coast Guard to Venezuela to show them some real, non-flacid, in-their-flacid-faces, action.
Chavez would like it too. He would love it. He would be king-of-the world. (Jefe del Mundo finally non-flacid).
Isn’t it amazing how no matter how much the liberals tell us that the world has changed for the better, the truth still remains the same. We still have the same communist enemies, both outside and within the nation.
The Rats really think that all of us are idiots. At least not everyone buys their BS.
-ccm
"But wait," as Billy Mays like to say, "there's more."
Venezuela recently bought a huge number of AK 47s from the Russians,with which to re-equip its armed forces. Simultaneously, captured laptops in Colombia have records of promises from Hugo to FARC to equip them with Venezuelan small arms, now surplus because of the "upgrade."
Good timing — Pelosi’s trying to block the Columbia trade bill.
Moscow's always uses proxies, as in Iran & Syria -- against Israel and against our forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.
When will Washington wake up concerning the enemy which is supplying our obvious enemies must be dealt with once and for all.
Ideally, we’d have been supplying the Chechens. Too late now.
Regarding your profound question: "When will Washington wake up concerning the enemy which is supplying our obvious enemies must be dealt with once and for all . . .?"
As long as Washington believes it may be safer to live with delusions and lies -- rather than expose the awful truth -- Quoth the Raven, Nevermore. My response is that 'Never' will just have to be the ultimate, default answer. Washington is far too 'PC' today for the truth. Most of the men have been turned into the de-balled-stereotype so loved by Hillary's pantsuit warriors.
The British have television reports that open tough issues to rigorous debate. Take a peek at this video that would never, ever be aired on television in the U.S.
Video: UK Investigation Exposes Islamic Extremism
Three Cheers for the Brits !
I agree, al-Qaida saw the Chechen issue as a training ground for future terrorists. However the reason Moscow wants to retain the area is oil and natural ga$, plus the fact once independent nations were forced into in the ‘former’ USSR, Putin refuses to allow them to make a clean break for freedom.
Thanks for posting that data. Good job!
Pro-Putin underwear arrives in Russia
It would probably only take a boat of half drunk Marines
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