Posted on 04/09/2008 8:05:24 PM PDT by metmom
“HMMMM, all very interesting. I have a question, though. Since approximately half of all births are male, and there are over 500 female members involved here with , so far, only three males, what has happened to all the male members. Where are they? Who are they? I’ve not really heard anything about them. What happens when a girl gives birth to a son?”
Some or most teen aged boys are shunned and forced to leave the compound during their teen aged years. There is even a term for them down there “lost boys” They are turned out and no one in the compound will speak to them again- not even their parents. The old men don’t want that much competition for the new young wives.
Many of the charges talked about in this case are with boys age 17. While I agree that a sexual relationship between a 17 year old boy and a 16 year old girl isn’t as egregious as a 50 year old man and a 16 year old girl, there is some coercion in both cases.
And as far as the cases amongst my students, I think there was some coercion there as well. Not that they were forced, but they definitely had not been raised with the values to understand what they were doing, and to withstand the forcefulness of the boys who were seducing them.
I would imagine you could come up with a few welfare queens that are 16 w/ 4 kids, most likely by 4 different guys.
to no surprise, the author of the article I linked is LDS
Someone’s tagline on FR is “stop perverse incentives”.
This is exactly what the libs do all the time - promote perverse incentives.
Some act surprised at the “unintended” consequences. Others defend it by saying that you have to put up with some abuse of the system in order to help those in need.
Others - they knew this would happen, and wanted it to, in order to make more people dependent on them.
Yeah, I guess ol' Mitt should have chosen different great- and great-great grandparents. Sheesh.
Oh, we’re not allowed to examine other cultures.
Western White “Christian” cultures are the only ones to be scrutinized and demonized.
They were raised the same way, as were their mothers. They've been isolated their entire lives -- they think this is normal.
It's a lot like The Lottery, which pretty much everybody had to read in high school.
You know, on one of these threads, someone posted a comment about the baby graveyards that exist associated with these groups.
Between your comment and what Carolyn Jessup said about the technique of *breaking the baby* that they used, I'm beginning to make some connections that I really, seriously don't like here.
I posted the baby graveyard info on the other thread. I’ll try to find it again later. It’s horrific.
Where are they? Who are they? Where do they go?
Just found this:
Friday, March 05, 2004
To: FBI Phoenix Arizona
From: Child Protection Project, Flora Jessop and Linda Walker
Re: 56 unmarked child graves in Colorado City, Arizona
Fax: XXX XXX - XXXX
We request that you open a formal investigation into the dramatic situation that exists for children in Colorado City. We want the graveyard known as the “Baby Graveyard” in Colorado City to be designated a crime scene and the bodies exhumed to find out who is buried in them and why so many children are dead. It is located in the Colorado City compound close to the Isaac V. Carling cemetery. I, Linda Walker, documented with a video cam 46 unmarked graves in the baby graveyard and another 10 + in the Isaac V. Carling cemetery for over 56 unmarked baby graves. I also documented all the graves with markers for a total of 425 graves, 227 are children and the rest adults.
Anyone can tell these are children’s graves because they do not bother to remove the extra dirt and so there is a mound left that is about the size of a small child or casket.
I am faxing you the hard copy of all the information I have compiled so far.
We also know that people are burying their children in the canyons and in home burial plots. Evidently there are no laws against this in Utah but I have not checked the laws in Arizona. These polygamous white supremacy compounds straddle the borders of both states and so this is the FBI’s venue. Despite many apparent oversights in the law, there are no circumstances under which people can bury children with no notice whatsoever to any officials. Death certificates are required. Yet, this is what they have done and in large numbers.
Simply adding up the numbers and ages of the people we know are buried in the baby graveyard and the Isaac V. Carling cemetery gives us this profile:
425 graves
56 entirely unmarked child graves
227 child graves all together for a total of 53% children under 10
The children for whom we have been able to determine a cause of death, many of them died at the hands of their parents through what can only be called negligence by a civilized society.
Examples:
Mike Copeland was mauled to death by dogs at age 2 and 1/2 and he is number 104 on the sheets I am faxing. We do not think there is any death certificate record for him but since these records are now private instead of public information, we cannot be sure but certainly the FBI can find out if his birth or death was ever recorded anywhere. Two children apparently drank poison. Knowing how difficult it is to get children to taste new foods, it is amazing they would willingly down hydrogen peroxide. One five year old died from burning. Two two year olds were run over and so was a 6 year old. One 10 year old fell of the mountain.Too many children are being run over and we are wondering if they are beaten nearly to death first. The local coroner said he has never had a child run over in St George in fifteen years, yet in Colorado City, a much smaller community, several have been run over in that time.
Also a cursory look at the vital records death statistics for Colorado City do not match at all with the deaths recorded in the cemetery and this does not of course count the unbelievable number of 56 more child deaths. The child cemetery has not been in use very long either. Not counting the unmarked graves, the state has lost track of 20 children between the ages of 1 and 9 that died from 1997 - 2002. This does not include children from the Isaac V. Carling graveyard. We asked them to give us statistics for many more years than this but again officials seem to take their jobs rather lightly as I know it is easy to pull these stats.
Activists think that young boys (11-20 yr olds) are being killed. The death rate for them is very high and the reasons for death that we do have listed as accidents could easily be evaluated as homicides. Unfortunately, lapse law enforcement (law enforcement we have endeavored to get decertified because they are committing felonies) never seems to think so. I understand accidents are common with children but this is far from the norm.
We know that disobedience is severely punished and think that boys who are not obedient or brutal enough for the society are killed and used as examples so others will not consider disobeying the leaders. As an example they would say something like, “Remember what happened to Mike, that can happen to you.” We also know that families are punished if they do not control their children adequately. And that it is preached that you can stop a child from crying by 6 months if you slap them hard enough, or hold their head under water.
We further think that the reason why there are so few death records and why there may be more birth records is because they are collecting welfare on dead children.
I am asking as a concerned citizen who is also an expert on the Mormon Church that at least some agents that are put on this case., NOT be Mormons. For years activists have been turning in crimes committed in this community and getting largely stonewalled by what we think are many government agents devoted to a religion where they have taken a vow to do nothing to publicly embarrass or harm the reputation of their church. This problem belongs at the doorstep of the Mormon Church despite their vain denials they have nothing to do with polygamy. They started this and they failed to stop it, and now we are seeing the results of this failed human experimentation. Once again the Mormons expect the public to pick up the tab for their folly.
I remain ready to give you more information as it becomes available and only ask that you place some of your resources towards solving this problem instead of continuing to try and sweep it under the carpet. The concerned public is not going to go away.
Enclosures:
Number of deaths among the residents of zip code 86021 by age group showing the oversight in the state record.
List of the people buried in Colorado City with the cause of death when known.
http://childpro.org/2005/fbi_letter.html
This is beyond comprehension. My mind is on overload.
I need a break. Back in a few....
I know. I have to do some housework and think happy thoughts.
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I am overcome by this.....
I know these people, I have worked beside them, done business with them and yes, even gone to Church with them. OMG, OMG.........
No, but the reality is that it happens in disfunctional societies. People seem so surprised when they first see evil.
Metmom, he wasn’t posting about this article on the thread, he was clarifying someones reference from a book that was linked to in post 202.
I’m so sorry, cc. :(
at the very least....it’s coming out into the open and cannot be hid any longer.
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