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Ben Stein: Win His Career
Fox News ^ | Wednesday, April 09, 2008 | Roger Friedman

Posted on 04/09/2008 7:27:17 AM PDT by js1138

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To: js1138
Rush Limbaugh likes the movie, with one disclaimer:

On the other hand, I do think this: I think that the people – and I know why they're doing it, but I still think that it's a little bit disingenuous. Let's make no mistake. The people pushing intelligent design believe in the biblical version of creation. Intelligent design is a way, I think, to sneak it into the curriculum and make it less offensive to the liberals because it ostensibly does not involve religious overtones, that there is just some intelligent being far greater than anything any of us can even imagine that's responsible for all this, and of course I don't have any doubt of that. But I think that they're sort of pussyfooting around when they call it intelligent design.

22 posted on 04/09/2008 7:46:31 AM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138
Pretty much in line, politically, with Roger Friedman's usual reviews:

'Sicko' Shows Michael Moore's Maturity as a Filmmaker
Sunday, May 20, 2007
By Roger Friedman

Filmmaker Michael Moore's brilliant and uplifting new documentary, "Sicko," deals with the failings of the U.S. healthcare system, both real and perceived. But this time around, the controversial documentarian seems to be letting the subject matter do the talking, and in the process shows a new maturity.

23 posted on 04/09/2008 7:47:26 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: js1138
Apparently, the writer of this piece has never heard of Albert Einstein. I wrote the Op-Ed below on the subject of "intelligent design." It sounds like Ben Stein has advanced similar ideas in his movie.

A Better Advisor for Florida Students: Albert Einstein or the ACLU?

by John Armor [3 April, 2008, 623 words]

Bills have been introduced in the Florida legislature, and are now pending, which would include the concept of “intelligent design” in the high school science curriculum. Predictable groups of religious, political, and teachers union representatives have lined up on both sides of the issue.

One side says this is “anti-evolution” and would be an “embarrassment” to the State of Florida. The other calls this “good news” and “common sense.” The real fight here is between Albert Einstein and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

In January of this year, the ACLU wrote a letter to the Florida State Board of Education, threatening to sue the State if intelligent design was included in the science curriculum for high school students. It was a long letter with elaborate legal arguments, but its real point was in a footnote on page three. There the ACLU noted that it extracted (excuse me, “agreed to accept”) $1 million in fees from the Dover School District in Pennsylvania in an intelligent design case. ACLU lawyers added coyly that the actual fees were “more than $2 million.”

Boiled down to the essentials, the ACLU letter was the demand from a school yard bully that his victim fork over his lunch money or get beat up. But $2 million or more in attorneys fees is a lot of lunch money.

Since the subject concerns what philosophies should be presented to beginning students in science, who better to consult than the greatest scientist who has ever lived, Albert Einstein. In his famous essay, “The World as I See It,” he wrote:

“The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. He who knows it not and can no longer wonder, no longer feel amazement, is as good as dead, a snuffed-out candle.”

Elsewhere, he wrote that genius consists of becoming an adult “without losing a child’s sense of wonder.” And he wrote, “The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.” Einstein made it clear that he belonged to no religion, and did not believe in “a personal God.” Still, to the end of his days, he marveled at the intricate design of the universe.

Even in this, Einstein refuted what the ACLU argues today. He was not religious. He was not an enemy of the theory of evolution, nor any other theory of science. Yet he believed in intelligent design. According to the arguments of the ACLU, the First Amendment to the Constitution would bar Einstein’s ideas from the classrooms of impressionable students.

This author, whose practice in the US Supreme Court has consisted mostly of First Amendment cases, argues the exact opposite. When the Amendment was written, “established religion” had a clear meaning, namely state imposition of a particular religion. Intelligent design is not a religion, and talking about it does not “impose” it. Then there is the last point, that the Amendment refers to freedom “of” religion, not freedom “from” religion.

The people who wrote and ratified that Amendment had no intention of eliminating all public mention of any aspect of religion. For any judge to rule in that manner is to rewrite the First Amendment, a power no judge legitimately possesses. The power to amend the Constitution belongs to the people, in Article V, not to any judges.

Just ask yourselves this simple question, a “thought experiment” as Einstein used to say: Who would be a better model for students just starting in science in the State of Florida? Albert Einstein, or the best and brightest of the ACLU attorneys?

Perhaps the ACLU should do a little homework on “a child’s sense of wonder.”

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About the Author: John Armor practiced 33 years in the US Supreme Court. John_Armor@aya.yale.edu This was written at the behest of the American Civil Rights Union. www.theacru.org

25 posted on 04/09/2008 7:50:51 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob ( www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: js1138

I’ll be going to see Expelled.


26 posted on 04/09/2008 7:57:54 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: MrB

No.


28 posted on 04/09/2008 8:02:13 AM PDT by tokenatheist (Can I play with madness?)
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To: freespirited
Evolution being true is not incompatible with the existence of a Creator.

Ah... but you dismiss the INTENT behind those that insist that evolution DISPROVES the Creator.

Some on here may deny that that is the whole point of pushing evolution and "disproving" ID, but that's what it's all about.

29 posted on 04/09/2008 8:05:08 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: SandyInSeattle
Or a lot of other things. All of these Darwinists need to answer one thing. If you can say that there is an age to the Universe, Then you concede a beginning point for that measurement. What or who is the source of that starting point? Science cannot answer the question.
30 posted on 04/09/2008 8:05:18 AM PDT by noname07718 (The Senate is based on consensus. “Consensus is the absence of leadership” - Lady M.Thatcher)
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To: js1138

Rush is right. Let’s not “pussyfoot” around. Just say it like it is. All things were created by God, end of story.


31 posted on 04/09/2008 8:05:24 AM PDT by Cyclone Conservative
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To: js1138

Cool. Now I’m looking forward to seeing this even more! I plan to go opening weekend.


32 posted on 04/09/2008 8:06:18 AM PDT by marinamuffy (I really dislike McCain but I'll crawl over broken glass to vote against Hillary or the Obamanation.)
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To: MrB

“If evolution is true and there is no Creator, wouldn’t we be required, “ethically”, to kill the unfit?’

Perhaps that was Adolph Hilter’s conclusion and excuse for murdering millions of people.


33 posted on 04/09/2008 8:06:22 AM PDT by bigcat32
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To: js1138

The critic likes Mariah Carey albums!

Does any more need to be said?


34 posted on 04/09/2008 8:07:23 AM PDT by Scourge of God (Pretty Stupid, Evil Stupid, or Old Stupid -- is this the best our country can find for President?)
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To: js1138
in other words, junk science - you mean in your words
35 posted on 04/09/2008 8:10:45 AM PDT by SF Republican
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To: freespirited
This corrects my previous post to you which I'm going to have deleted. (I misread what you wrote and thought you said "compatable" rather than "INcompatible. Sorry) "Evolution being true is not incompatible with the existence of a Creator."

TRUE. But it depends on which of the several theories of evolution you're talking about.

36 posted on 04/09/2008 8:11:47 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Proud member of "Operation Chaos" having the T-shirt , ball cap and bumpersticker to prove it.)
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To: freespirited
My opinion of Ben Stein will never be the same. Either his research skills are inexcusably bad or he is nothing more than an ideologue with no interest in facts.

You say this without seeing the movie? You are precisely guilty of that which you decry. Which I find amusing.

37 posted on 04/09/2008 8:11:59 AM PDT by Scourge of God (Pretty Stupid, Evil Stupid, or Old Stupid -- is this the best our country can find for President?)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Really, the intellectual dishonesty of claiming that Einstein “believed in intelligent design” makes you the moral and intellectual peer of a typical “Congressman”.


38 posted on 04/09/2008 8:12:18 AM PDT by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: freespirited
They are not interested in what anyone thought, just things they said that they can use when out of context.

Darwin was not a “nature red in tooth and claw” kind of guy. Moreover we are a successful species because we are a highly social and cooperative species. Many of the most successful animals are highly altruistic, social, and cooperative. Why did the most successful human societies all domesticate animals? Wouldn't strawmanevolution require “ethically” that we kill all other species?

39 posted on 04/09/2008 8:12:26 AM PDT by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal." Napoleon Dynamite)
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To: js1138
After seeing a new non-fiction film / wanting to teach their students creationism - I am confused - the author agrees? it is non-fiction
40 posted on 04/09/2008 8:13:54 AM PDT by SF Republican
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