Posted on 04/08/2008 7:12:23 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
APRIL 8--Forced marriage and sexual abuse were "pervasive" inside the Texas compound of a polygamist sect raided last week by investigators, according to child welfare officials seeking custody of more than 400 children removed from the religious group's sprawling YFZ Ranch. In a harrowing District Court affidavit, a Child Protective Services investigator charged that the children were placed in risk of "emotional, physical and/or sexual abuse" at the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints facility, where female children were groomed to "accept spiritual marriages to adult male members of the YFZ Ranch resulting in them being sexually abused." Similarly, investigator Lynn McFadden noted, young men on the YFZ Ranch were "spiritually married to minor female children," with whom they engaged in sexual relationships, becoming, in the process, sexual "perpetrators." The McFadden affidavit, which was filed today in court, was provided to TSG by the San Angelo Standard-Times. A copy of the document can be found below. The government raid on the compound was triggered after a 16-year-old mother called a family violence center and reported that she had been abused by her 50-year-old husband and was seeking help in departing the property, according to the affidavit. The girl, who has yet to be located, identified her abuser as Dale Barlow, a 50-year-old registered sex offender who pleaded no contest last year to conspiring to have sex with a minor.
[6 page affidavit included on website, here.]
How can a sex offender recently convicted of conspiring to have sex with a minor be out of jail and so poorly supervised that he can live in a closed community with dozens of young girls around?
Gosh... isn't that the Mormons???
Have his name changed legally to "Scott Ritter"...? [::rimshot::] ;)
Seriously, however: I know. The mind just... boggles, is all.
“The girl, who has yet to be located, identified her abuser as Dale Barlow, a 50-year-old registered sex offender who pleaded no contest last year to conspiring to have sex with a minor.”
Sounds like they need to rename their religious sect to the “Fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Child Molestors”.
How can an entire country be so obsessed with sex and alleged sex crimes? A Puritan paradise, where, nowadays, every Caucasian male is either a convicted or as yet unconvicted sexual harasser, child molester, guilty until proven otherwise (don’t argue, I’ve been there), but we all agree to bestow a clean, groovy euphemism that is a synonym of the word ‘merry’ on pederasts’! It all boggles the mind...
I wonder if any of the FLDS plural “wives” are collecting welfare or other assistance?
I wonder if any of the FLDS plural “wives” are collecting welfare or other assistance?
Somehow I bet they wern’t.
Ping.
NO NO NO A THOUSAND TIMES NO THOSE ARE NOT MORMONS . . . but you already knew that.
Funny how we never heard of these things until Romney came onto the National scene.
Waco.
And how utterly gutless they would be against a Moslem compound doing the same thing, which would be explained away in a blizzard of "cultural sensitivity" and "respect for diversity" platitudes.
I’m far from a follower of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (to me, a cult), however, I refuse to condemn an entire church over the vagaries of and offshoot sect (Westboro Baptist Church come to mind).
I recall a case of the prosecution of another polygamist and among the charges was welfare fraud.
“Funny how we never heard of these things until Romney came onto the National scene.”
This sect contains a bunch of evil satanic perverted nut jobs. This has nothing whatsoever to do with the true LDS Church or Mitt Romney.
The Fundamentalist whackjobs are not Mormons. I am thankful to Heavenly Father that these monsters are exposed and I hope they spend the rest of their miserable lives in prison or better yet executed like the dogs they are.
The media likes to portray them in such a way as to make them up to be some kind of Mormons which they are not!
“I refuse to condemn an entire church over the vagaries of and offshoot sect “
Thank you.
As far as I’m concerned, the adult women in that cult are just as bad as the men and they should go to prison, too. This is ghastly! Thank God Almighty the children are out of that hell hole.
They are single mothers so they probably were...
It has a relationship to the Ervil LeBaron group ~ remember them? Another Church of the First Born operation in Texas ~ ol' Erv murdered 39 people according to one of his nieces being interviewed on a talkshow yesterday.
Granny Hollob, David Koresh' Grandmother (and remember David? ~ Waco, fire, FBI, guns) ~ anyway, she belonged to a Church of the First Born in Texas.
And then there's Bill Clinton. His Baby Daddy, Billy Blythe, was an elder in the Church of the First Born in Hope, Arkansas.
Do you see a pattern?
Remember the little kid whose parents would feed him only lettuce and watermelon? They were Church of the First Born. Caught'em headed for a Church of the First Born up in Oregon ~ see Christmas Valley ~ and those ol'boys have added stuff from the Tony and Susan Alamo movement. Got a recruiting brochure right here.
Any situation that gives you David Koresh, Bill Clinton, Ervil LeBaron, Susan Alamo, Billy Blythe and Warren Jeffs tied in together is definitely not going to end up happy.
Yes they are mormons who follow all of the teachings of the false prophet Joseph Smith
Polygamy and all
It should come out in an investigation. You can bet the women never saw a dollar of that money.
They don't.
There are, on the other hand, Mormon offshoots.
According to Wikipedia, there’s a Pentecostal Church of the Firstborn, and two Mormon offshoots separated in time by that name. Is there a link between them?
No doubt we are going to find they were selling kids to pedophiles, etc. Those that don’t go along end up in unmarked graves out in the desert.
Again, this group was NEVER Mormon. They’ve borrowed the LDS name ~ that’s all.
To the average person on the street … LDS is LDS, just like all Babtist as just the same (Westboro Baptist Church is typical of all Baptist churches). ;-)
True, a story about one of the little towns where this group came from was on the news a few years back, it said something like 60 to 70 % of the towns population was on one kind of government assistance are the other.
In several failed or nearly failed efforts to Christianize the Polar Peoples and drag them away from shamanism the missionaries managed to stimulate the creation of something else.
The Apostolic Charismatic Church of the First Born is definitely Pentecostal and may well be the original "source" of that entire movement, and some of them have drifted into a much more orthodox Christian pattern. There are still fringe COTFB groups heavy into strange stuff ~ e.g. peyote instead of the use of amanita muscaria.
Not all of 'em are into polygamy, or the suppression of woman. A more normal course of simple serial polygamy is easily found in many congregations. E.g. Billy Blythe was married 5 times. Bill Clinton's mom was married 5 times. Old David Koresh was married 20 times, or so, some serial, some in polygamy.
These groups don't have a central command like the Roman Catholics, so there's a lot of variation out there ~ less in Faith Assembly in the East of course. It's almost tame.
I know a gentleman who "escaped" with his mother from something very similar to this. He was quite young, but I guess she feared for his life ~ that he'd become just another surplus male. They can die early. Most are simply turned loose in a town somewhere and forgotten.
What I don't care for is that these guys don't take their children to see doctors for anything short of setting a broken bone. Just about all the "faith healers let kid die" stories are about COTFB congregations.
They are really different!
I’m glad you guys are showing up then because there are many posts of rationales and excuses around here, the last couple of days. You aren’t going to find much Baptist support of Westboro. (no smile)
Yes, we did.
I’ve been watching out for the COTFB since I was in the 6th grade.
The state invaded. No one got killed.
The top man is entirely too close with his daughters.
Perversion is as perversion does. ;-)
***Old David Koresh was married 20 times***
He was of the Branch Davidian version of the Seventh-day Adventists.
Thanks for caring enough to make certain we all know how much you don’t care. ;)
Who is their founding prophet - Joseph Smith
What is their inspired book - Book of Mormon
Who brought polygamy into mormonism- Joseph Smith
Has D&C ever been repealed and taken out - No
Smith married children - 14-year old Helen Mark Kimball
By their fruits yea shall know them.
One of Joseph’s fruits is the current practice of polygamy by 100,000 fundamentalist Mormons in the United States. One thing is for sure - If it wasn’t for Joseph Smith, there wouldn’t be thousands of Fundamentalist Mormon families practicing it today.
Ervil LeBaron did a similar takeover of a COTFB congregation.
Only part of the Mormon scriptures they point to is about "One Mighty and Strong". Otherwise they make the rest of it up while they use force to take over.
The LDS stuff is a sham with these people ~ it's a smokescreen for suckers.
Ah, did I miss something? Moslems in many countries are polygamists.
And (HEADS UP!) so far there is ZERO EVIDENCE that these people were doing anything wrong, EXCEPT what you’re being told by the Texas state child welfare workers. Who have an agenda to justify their phoney-baloney jobs. Justice and truth go to last place with these people when their jobs are at stake. We’ve had case after case of false accusations from them, all over the country. Some innocent people died in prison in Mass., as I recall. The state actually suborned perjury to get convictions, which should have sent the prosecutors to jail themselves, but they are still scot free. Anyone remember reading about the Salem witch trials? They still have them in Mass.
Now, this girl who allegedly called police. She can’t be found. Did she even exist?
How many of these poor kids are going to be placed in foster homes run by real molesters? It is NOT exactly a secret that molesters use the welfare agencies to find new victims.
We never got the whole truth about Waco, because so many of the witnesses were burned up, and the FBI wouldn’t allow any independent analysis of the post-fire evidence. Hope this will be different.
Say, $600 per month times 400 children equals $240,000 per month for the compound. Hmmmm less expenses, still a lot of loot. Beats working.
First,
Let’s see Texas in April. hmmmm! AFT & FBI murdered some 50 children and 20+ adults to stop alleged abuse. Govt and media called it a “compound, “cult,” “child abusers.”
What about the constitutional rights of those who owned the property? They acted on the report of one girl. Then get the individual(s)accused. This is Nazi stromtrooper tactics. Just remmeber you might be the govt’s next target- maybe you, maybe you are a dangerous homeschool family who doesn’t beieve in state education. The govt and media can paint anyone anyway they want and the moronic public just nod their heads because this has tv entertainment value. .
FBI murdered Vicki & Sam Weaver same MOP calling it a compound, demonize those alleged, safety of children. The FBI murdered Vicki Weaver because some FBI crackpot psychologist said she though Vicki would murder her children.
If I remember correctly, although it was not God’s will, Abraham and David had many wives, yet God did not enact capital punishment on them. In contrast, God’s judgment on Sodom was severe.
I have my own sources concerning this mess. My interest predates that of the Texas child welfare folks by several decades anyway.
I hope they don’t find anything wrong for the kids sake and ours. If what CPS is is claiming is true , it’s looking kind of bad right now though.
Are you a member of the COTFB?
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