i wasn't criticizing... i think this is the best short xlation i've seen. just thought you'd might like a look at the Col's version.
i will have to look at the volumes you listed too. thx.
Posted on 04/05/2008 6:17:13 AM PDT by Clive
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When these principles are applied to the current conflicts in Iraq, the enemies tactics make perfect sense. I am concerned about the degree to which spies and insurgents may have penetrated the army and police forces.
One way a smaller army defeats a larger one is to penetrate deeply into the government to learn its plans. When they turn they sow seeds of doubt that lead to defeat.
Some of the commentary I have read attempts to cast doubt on the existence of Sun Tzu and Sun Wu, so the issue of authorship and timeline are still up for debate.
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You can find three free translations including the Lionel on www.archive.org
http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=creator:%22Sun%20Tzu%22
I prefer The Art of War: The Denma Translation (Shambhala Library) personally, compared to a 1950’s translation I read when in college.
Pamwe Chete.......
Also the original 1910 Giles translation, 1st edition scanned:
http://www.archive.org/details/artofwaroldestmi00suntuoft
i wasn't criticizing... i think this is the best short xlation i've seen. just thought you'd might like a look at the Col's version.
i will have to look at the volumes you listed too. thx.
Hopefully Zimbabwe will soon have seen the last of those thugs.
One would think that any freedom loving man or woman would have taken a simple bolt action scoped hunting rifle and put a round in Mugabe’s noggin long ago.......take my land /farm, rape my wife and daughters, kill my family and leave me alive and out of imprisonment.......simple solution in the time it takes me to get within range with proper tool.
Repeat, stir, repeat as necessary as freedom is a lifelong battle IMO.
"i will have to look at the volumes you listed too. thx."
Do also have a look at the excellent treatment given in the Denma translation, mentioned by JerseyHighlander in his Reply 14, especially the Essays in Part 2.
to bad Executive Outcomes is long gone... they could of settled this years ago.
Boy, I find that annoying.
Thanks for posting this though. Bookmarking
The mercs have more profitable contracts doing security work in Iraq.
true, but... i just thought it might be personal for some of them, and something they'd love to do paid or not is see mgruby's head on a stick if given the green light.
Thank you, Phil.
I’ve read only a bit of it, but have bookmarked it for later reading.
It’s a good reference to have.
An intriguing possibility is that both “The Art of War” and the “Tao Te Ching” were written by the same person. The corelation in both books between the yin and yang of life and the yin and yang of war are too similar to dismiss that possibility.
That’s not say both volumes were published contemperaneously. But rather, one or the other were released first, and the other, perhaps, released as a refresher or expansion of the first.
My guess is that the Tao came first and War second.
BTW, during the Tianamen crack-down, we were involved in a tertiary level in setting up safehouses for Chinese students in America, If you recall, Bush Sr. had made statements that he would turn over dissidents to ChiCom authorities. He never did so, at least to my knowledge, and the safehouse plan was never needed.
Anyway, I had a raggy copy of the Tao Te Ching. The vast majority of students never saw the darn thing in their entire lives until we showed them the book.
I would think the Tao Te Ching would present a direct threat to ChiCom authority. On nearly every level, it’s a step-by-step plan to overthrow the commie bastards.
(So watch someone come along and tell me that the Tao Te Ching is posted in every post office and library in China.)
Anyway, I find the entire matter interesting.
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