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Blacks split on Obama pastor
The Washington Times ^ | March 30, 2008 | Andrea Billups

Posted on 03/30/2008 7:02:47 AM PDT by george76

The reaction to Sen. Barack Obama's March 18 speech in Philadelphia on his firebrand pastor and race in America shows a generation gap within the black community...

Despite criticism that he didn't fully address the angry comments by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Mr. Obama's youth and powerful skills as an orator continue to offer hope to many that he can bridge what he defined in his speech as a national "stalemate" ...

Charles Ellison... describes a tension among blacks and a "growing generation gap between new school versus old school."

"The new hip-hop generation, there is a focus on economic, political and social empowerment.

The polling data... exposed key racial gaps. While 58 percent of white voters said they were personally offended by Mr. Wright's sermons, just 29 percent of black voters said they were upset by his remarks.

Mr. Innis thinks the Wright controversy has damaged Mr. Obama, but not fatally. He argues that the candidate did not deal with Mr. Wright's remarks head on, noting that younger blacks trapped in the inner cities continue the "paranoia" of the older generation on race directly because of "the Jeremiah Wrights of this world, the Farrakhans." The latter is a reference to Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan.

"The groups who should be afraid of the Jeremiah Wrights are blacks," Mr. Innis said. "The danger and harm that that type of paranoia and paralysis that it causes in our communities is a clear and present danger to African-Americans and our progress. The world will pass us by in a new America that our ancestors helped create."

"A dialogue on race is not a monologue. It is not about Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton getting up on a pulpit and beating up on white people.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


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1 posted on 03/30/2008 7:02:48 AM PDT by george76
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2 posted on 03/30/2008 7:10:30 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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The blacks that were not offended, what does that say about THEM?..
Evidently the general black mindset has been really screwed up..

What white liberals didnt do to them, the black race hustlers did..

3 posted on 03/30/2008 7:15:14 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: george76
Interesting article. What is really sad is that close to 100% of all "unhyphenated Americans" should have been offended by Wrights remarks. Ahh, but the wealthy "misery merchants" would loose their ability to live large while keeping the country separate and unequal.

There was a time that I would actually had hope that we would end this insane practice of hypenating-Americans.

Of course there was a time that I was young and full of ideals.

Tee time at the Golf Course is about that only thing that gets me excited any longer.

4 posted on 03/30/2008 7:15:30 AM PDT by ImpBill (Hi, My name is Greg and I am a recovering "r"epublican!)
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To: ImpBill

Tee time at the Golf Course is about that only thing that gets me excited any longer.

8-)


5 posted on 03/30/2008 7:17:02 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: hosepipe
What white liberals didnt do to them, the black race hustlers did..

Wait a minute. How about, "What they didn't let..." at the beginning of your sentence.

Hatred only grows where it's welcome.

6 posted on 03/30/2008 7:17:05 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (How much worse would things be if Eve had been "empowered?")
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To: george76

Here’s how I see it.

This incident has turned over a log that’s been lying in the forest for years.

Many people are seeing what’s under the log, for the first time. And they’re horrified.

What’s sad is the defenders.


7 posted on 03/30/2008 7:19:08 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: hosepipe
Exactly! This mindset of paranoia and deep seated resentment is far more prevalent in the Black Community than many would like to admit. It is only being revealed because of the Obama candidacy but they have always been working on their indoctrination.

Let's face the fact that we have an extensive network of Black Churches preaching this hate and reinforcing low self-esteem that is organized. These are literally US Madrassas.

8 posted on 03/30/2008 7:20:09 AM PDT by TCats (The Clintons Are Not Just Wrong - They Are Certifiable AND Dangerous! See my Page)
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To: BibChr

The mindset that one is “owed” something in life has not only affected black mobility in business but black mobility in education as well.

The irony of it all however is that the “white establishment” managed to get them into the college and pay their entire tuition. Instead of being encouraged to study international affairs, classical or modern languages, philosophy or art, most of these students became ethnic studies or sociology majors because it allowed them to remain in disciplines whose orientation justified their existence at the university. In short, it became a vicious cycle.

Eric Hoffer said:

“...you do not win the weak by sharing your wealth with them; it will but infect them with greed and resentment. You can win the weak only by sharing your pride, hope or hatred with them.”

We now know that Barack Obama really has no interest in the “audacity of hope.” With his race speech, Obama became a peddler of angst, resentment and despair. Too bad he doesn’t direct that angst at the liberal establishment that has sold black people a bill of goods since the 1960s.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/obamas_anger.html


9 posted on 03/30/2008 7:21:45 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: hosepipe

Exactly : Think the minister’s new $$ home.

What white liberals didnt do to them, the black race hustlers did..


10 posted on 03/30/2008 7:23:05 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

This has shown once again that in general blacks hate whites. All of the pundits supporting Osama or Wright say blacks have a right to be angry, or it’s different in black churches. Osama had the gall to blame US for Wright.


11 posted on 03/30/2008 7:23:06 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama disses his white grandma to lift up Wright. He is a pig.)
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To: george76
While 58 percent of white voters said they were personally offended by Mr. Wright's sermons, just 29 percent of black voters said they were upset by his remarks.

I doubt that many of us are surprised by this 29% statistic. Until the likes of Jerry, Jesse, Al, et al quit preaching the "victim mentality" and switch to the positive messages offered by the likes of Bill Cosby, blacks will continue to sit and feel sorry for themselves rather than stand up and do positive things to improve their (and their childrens') lot.

As Cosby and others have pointed out, a significant portion of black problems are self-inflicted and cultural. As such, they need to solve those problems for themselves and the likes of Mr. Wright aren't helping since they wish to deflect the real cause from themselves to "whitey". Well, I'm tired of throwing my tax dollars into Jesse, Al, and Jerry's pockets. It's time for the leaders of the black community to step up to the plate and start solving their problems, rather than spewing poisonous talk that solves nothing other than serve their own personal agenda.

12 posted on 03/30/2008 7:36:17 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: george76
Darn. I thought it said 'Blacks spit on Obama pastor.
13 posted on 03/30/2008 7:36:17 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: george76

Let me guess, some love him, some REALLY love him, right?


14 posted on 03/30/2008 7:37:23 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: george76
Tee time at the Golf Course is about that only thing that gets me excited any longer.

Try Viagra?

15 posted on 03/30/2008 7:37:37 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: george76

There is something I don’t get here. In American schools the kids get “diversity” training. But Obama brings his kids to a church to hear Rev. Wright.

Maybe in addition to worrying about madrassas that teach hate, we should be thinking about these churches.


16 posted on 03/30/2008 7:39:51 AM PDT by finnsheep
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To: the invisib1e hand
[ Hatred only grows where it's welcome. ]

Hatred wearing a mask can appear as love..
Love in black face is not love at all..

Could be many blacks are asking themselves, Where has my mind been..
If so then Obama has burst a BOIL on the black butt..

17 posted on 03/30/2008 7:43:26 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: george76

“The reaction to Sen. Barack Obama’s March 18 speech in Philadelphia on his firebrand pastor and race in America shows a generation gap within the black community..”

There’s one small problem with this article. The polling data is not broken down by age, so the poll doesn’t show anything resembling a generation gap. It would have been better to say:

“The reaction to Sen. Barack Obama’s March 18 speech in Philadelphia on his firebrand pastor and race in America gives the talking heads a prime opportunity to ruminate on the existence of a generation gap within the black community”.


18 posted on 03/30/2008 8:01:19 AM PDT by edwinland
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To: econjack

nail on the head

cosby was right and many blacks didn’t like it some calling him a tom, a lsave to the white man etc

It’s about time that affirmative action and the victim card were pisssed off.

MLK said that we were all created equal and yet affirmative action gives minorities more rights than others.

Obama(racist), cosby, oprah, NY gov, MA gov, powell, condi, etc etc etc have proved that if you put your head down then you can have what others want and infact affirmative action has now proved to be obsolete.

Totally fed up of the blacks saying about slavery etc that was a long time ago and even a black guy once said that if they had never had slavery he would have been born over in Afrcia and have not what he has now.

of course when slavery is mentioned they forget to mention about it was the black man who sold blacks to whites and that one of the first slave owners in this country was a black man


19 posted on 03/30/2008 8:01:52 AM PDT by manc
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To: ImpBill

Hey, it pays well. A 1.6 million dollar mansion to trtire in, with the balance of a 10 million dollar line of credit to get by on.


20 posted on 03/30/2008 8:08:25 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Fall on your knees! Oh hear, the angels voices)
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To: TCats

Let’s face the fact that we have an extensive network of Black Churches preaching this hate and reinforcing low self-esteem that is organized.

There are MANY more Black Churches that preach the Gopsel.


21 posted on 03/30/2008 8:38:26 AM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: PghBaldy

This has shown once again that in general blacks hate whites/

Really? How many black people do you really know. I think that is like saying in general whites hate blacks. Is this true as well?


22 posted on 03/30/2008 8:39:48 AM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: hosepipe
The blacks that were not offended, what does that say about THEM?..

Blacks have heard all this before. The ones who buy it, buy it. The ones who don't, ignore it or shrug it off. Most don't buy it, but they aren't moved to speak out about it to the larger community. Sort of like moslems dismissing jihad but keeping quiet about it at the same time.

23 posted on 03/30/2008 8:43:17 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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I sincerely wish you were right but the adulation heaped on Wright and Obama's failure to properly and completely condemn his downright crazed hate speech tells me otherwise.

Where is the outpouring of condemnation for this truly disgusting behavior as there was over Imus, to mention but one inconsistency in the way these people are accepted.

24 posted on 03/30/2008 9:08:11 AM PDT by TCats (The Clintons Are Not Just Wrong - They Are Certifiable AND Dangerous! See my Page)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Sort of like moslems dismissing jihad but keeping quiet about it at the same time. ]

Sounds logical.. If so.. then Obama might just have been a catalyst to a "cleanup".. Unless the pressures among blacks to shut up about it is intense.. Reducing the average black to a coward.. Surely there SOME honorable blacks.. in the mix.. that see racism as personally negative..

25 posted on 03/30/2008 9:09:41 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: george76

I guess the Democrats never thought the race baiting and racial sniping would ever occur in their ranks. It’s great entertainment watching this unfold. It’s going to be a spectacle in Denver in August.


26 posted on 03/30/2008 9:11:32 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: TCats

Where is the outpouring of condemnation for this truly disgusting behavior as there was over Imus, to mention but one inconsistency in the way these people are accepted.

Do you really trust the media enough to think that they would cover this. It is only news if it is negative. My pastor (who is black) is not political. The one time he got close to being political was passing out voter guides (he obtained from CBN) and all he ever said was to vote our concience. We focus on the Bible and community work.


27 posted on 03/30/2008 9:13:09 AM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: george76
29 percent of black voters said they were upset by his remarks.

To be honest I think it higher ...

If you think "PC" is bad in general, from what I've seen in the black community it a hundred time worse

In the black community, any black man or woman that does not tow the self declared "Black Leaders" party line verbatim, will be ostracized with extreme prejudice

28 posted on 03/30/2008 9:15:35 AM PDT by tophat9000 (:[....)
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To: brwnsuga
I congratulate you and your Pastor. I hope his approach can gain some traction such that these false 'Reverends' are revealed to be what I think they are - Divisive, hate-spewing self promoting Pols who sell anyone down the river to advance their own agenda and finances.

Unfortunately the ones they sell down the river are many Blacks who are indoctrinated into this philosophy of failure.

29 posted on 03/30/2008 9:18:26 AM PDT by TCats (The Clintons Are Not Just Wrong - They Are Certifiable AND Dangerous! See my Page)
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To: brwnsuga
I was speaking with a friend of mine at work (I am in the minority where I work, and this is someone who I can ask as she will give me a completely honest answer.) and I asked her if Rev. Wright is prevelant in the black community, and she asked what he had said.

I told her, and her response - "He said that?"
"Yep. He said that."

"He's been smokin' something, 'cause he's way out there...."

Thanks for trying to help with this mess.....

30 posted on 03/30/2008 9:18:41 AM PDT by Maigrey (Fat makes the World Taste Better! - personal motto)
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To: tophat9000

Or a smaller percentage upset ?

Bill Cosby got trashed by his brothers when he stood up for some self responsibility.


31 posted on 03/30/2008 9:29:16 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: dowcaet

The worst thing that could happen to Obama is if he won. All those who backed him expect so much they will be disapointed. The Cabinate will not be full of black faces—but tired old Kennedy-Liberals and neo-communists, His unity message will be reduced to a few long winded speaches, his foreign policy apeasement and money give outs. He will start an New New Deal—with lots of three letter agencies to hand out tax money to groups. The Military will be cut, federal government expanded and nothing will get done. When he fails, and he will, it will be all Bushes fault and the evil racist Republicans. He will make more enemies than you can imagine as people see him as only the President of Black America not all America.


32 posted on 03/30/2008 10:31:09 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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no outrage form the white libs, no outrage from the media and including anchors like chris matthews in fact he even goes as far and says it;s obama who is right, amazing

imagine if a white man said typical blacks, iagine if a white man running for office said all the things what obaama has said, imagine if that man had a wife who wrote what his wife had said, imagine if that white man had been going to see a racist preacher for nearly 20 yuears and infact saying he’s family

the outcry would be immense, the media would be saying he should step down and this is what gets me really wound up well two things actually

why has no one in the emdia and I mean no one as far as I know including hannity has said that the preacher is a racist, Ah yes they say the remarks are insulting but never say they are racist

the outcry from the media over Imus especially from libs and the media was immense, racist, racism, etc etc yet when a black man says it the media cover it up and cheerlead for this preacher.

The other thing what gets me mad is that there are still whites who have heard this, have heard his remarks about Italians, typical white people, his wife saying blacks should come together against the white oppressor,

obama has proved he is anti American like his preacher by not watning to salute the flag, by his going to this rev wright, by his refusal to really distance himself from wright.

Obama has proved he is a racist too

so I await the media to actually do their job and let people know who they are voting for


33 posted on 03/30/2008 10:43:17 AM PDT by manc
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To: george76

the blacks who have come out and defended obama and his racist preacher wright have proved they clearly agree with those statements and seem to think that it is alright for them to be racist though they seem not to think that as they have had a double standard for a long time

Now for the media who seem to cannot do their job

how about asking obama some questions and if as it does seem you cannot think of any except the usual do you think you have more kids etc

here’s some questions to be asked

why cannot you tell wright that his comments are racist and do not bring communities together but infact seperate communities and you are spreading hatred

Now you are running for the highest position in the land has this proved affirmative action is not needed

do you want blacks to have reperations and if so how much

why did you go to this racist preacher for so long and do you really think that after all the years you have been going there then do you actually think that most whites and others in this country believe ypou when you say you never heard fo them

you said you never heard of them to major garrett then two days later you said you heard some, you seem to keep going back and forth, now which comments did you hear and did you ever say to the preacher they are disgusitng na dhave no place for today.

what is exactly a typical white person

if someone said like Mccain said typical black people would you consider it to be racist and ask for him to say sorry as it is offensive

the list is endless yet you the media sem to be not able to ask decent questions at all

Now actually do your job and call remarks or people racist when they actually are

as it is you disgust me along with millions of americans

Has anyone noticed that the more info about obama is coming out the obama supporters are saying clinton needs to drop out as they know mroe people are waking up to obama the racist
Now when the republicans bring this out they will be ready to say hey you are the racist

actually those wo vote and support obama in my eyes along with many I know are the racist ones and that includes those black preachers which have come out in support of him

The IRS needs to look at these so called blcak churches and maybe take away their tax free status as these places are not a paplce of worship but a palce for people to spread their hatred of anything but black

Yes I ma fed up with the double standard by libs, by the media and some dems


34 posted on 03/30/2008 10:54:31 AM PDT by manc
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To: arasina

So did I! lol


35 posted on 03/30/2008 10:57:39 AM PDT by ~Kim4VRWC's~ (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: manc

another thing a talk show host says barack hussein obama and he is automatically called a racist, yes for just saying his name

imus makes some remarks and people call for him to be fired including obama but obama thinks his answer was good enough and expects us to take it in

If the dems want America together then stop segregating people into groups.
It is them what are more racist as it is them what look at colour and religion.

Republicans put everyone together we don’t look at people differently, we don’t believe ion giving special privilages to certain ethnic groups we believe in do good at school, work hard and you will be rewarded, we believe on self responsibility.

stop the black congree and other groups as such,
stop the black channels
close down black colleges
get rid of affirmative action
stop the bussing, even many blacks don’t want it now
stop the gay pride stuff, you say it’s your buisniess then don’t advertise what you like sexually

when all those groups have gone it is then we will be all the same and come together.


36 posted on 03/30/2008 11:00:42 AM PDT by manc
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To: george76

It was not the remarks of Uncle Jeremiah which were on the DVD that was so startling. It was the reaction of the crowd. They were hungry for hate speech, Uncle Jeremiah gave them what they wanted, and they enthusiastically celebrated. But the reaction of the crowd makes Obama denial that he was present for any remarks like that implausible. Obama a more dangerous liar than Hillary.


37 posted on 03/30/2008 11:08:01 AM PDT by Biblebelter (Barry, let your Uncle Jeremiah speak publicly, so he can set the record straight himself.)
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To: Biblebelter

this is something I have been saying since the release

that whole crowd are just as bad as wright, now I would love to see the media do their job and get a video of obama sitting there while wright give his racist preachings


38 posted on 03/30/2008 11:10:43 AM PDT by manc
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To: george76
"Blacks split on Obama pastor"

If a white preacher said that kind of &#*@ about blacks, would white people be able to "split" and still be touted as "non-racists?"
39 posted on 03/30/2008 11:12:55 AM PDT by kelsiejackson ("We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail." Invincible Eagle.)
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To: manc
Thumbs way up to all of that!
40 posted on 03/30/2008 11:14:21 AM PDT by kelsiejackson ("We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail." Invincible Eagle.)
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To: kelsiejackson

Double standard ?

/s


41 posted on 03/30/2008 11:42:36 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: manc

b

that whole crowd are just as bad as wright

Plus Wright is getting his $$$ new home


42 posted on 03/30/2008 11:44:02 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: BibChr

Amen.....none of this has been a secret to me for 20 years...at lest.


43 posted on 03/30/2008 11:50:59 AM PDT by wardaddy (My cousin just graduated SEAL team training (BUDS) at Coronado.)
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To: DGHoodini

“God Damn America” seems to be much more financially rewarding than “God Bless America”!


44 posted on 03/30/2008 1:02:16 PM PDT by ImpBill (Hi, My name is Greg and I am a recovering "r"epublican!)
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To: kelsiejackson

the dems say they want diversity and racial harmony but really they don’t .

the likes of them thrive of segregation and poverty, they make money like wright and sharpton, they get the votes from the blacks etc.

If I was black I would actually see all this in two ways

first, I would not want affirmative action and actually I would be insulted by it. I’d say are you telling me I can’t get that jopb based on my merit as I’m too thick, I can’t get the college place as I am too thick, No I would say I’ll do well at school and show you I’m just as educated as the next person.

secondly, I’d say well this community has been voting for the dems for a long time yet still we vote for them and still we don’t get anywhere, maybe it;s time for a change.

Has anyone ever heard a lib say they want a diverse area, they want diversity at school etc
Well here’s a thought how about taking each person on whom they are and not looking at the colour of their skin or the religion of their faith.
I don’t look at my childs classroom and say hey great there is some blacks,some chinese and some hispanics, it does seem they are the ones more infatuated with who people look like.

This is why the republicans don’t get a lot of minorities vote because republicans want people to do well based on their hard work and not on colour.

will this ever happen

nope not while we have groups , tv stations, schools etc set aside based on their colour.

Out of curiousity and I am being serious here

if a white person wanted to go to a black school then would they be allowed?
If a white person applied for a scholorship from the black fund would they get one?
If a white person went o black motor bike week, or blackl spring break then wpould they get any grief for being there and being white

actually just how stupid is it that blacks actually have black motor bike week and black spring break


45 posted on 03/30/2008 4:33:09 PM PDT by manc
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To: george76

and you know what those same black poeple will still give him money

mad isn’t it


46 posted on 03/30/2008 4:34:25 PM PDT by manc
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To: manc
and... Black Entertainment Television Miss Black America Congressional Black Caucus State of the Black Union Covenant with Black America Black History Month Celebration of Black Music Television BlackHealthCare.com

Substitute "white" for "black," however, and you've become an official Typical White Person.

And now I'm going to go bang my head into a wall.
47 posted on 03/30/2008 4:36:41 PM PDT by kelsiejackson ("We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail." Invincible Eagle.)
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To: kelsiejackson
Pretend the "br" are in there somewhere
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48 posted on 03/30/2008 4:38:13 PM PDT by kelsiejackson ("We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail." Invincible Eagle.)
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To: PghBaldy
"This has shown once again that in general blacks hate whites.

Generalizations helped to create this mess in the first place.

49 posted on 03/30/2008 4:59:09 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: manc

Like giving more money to your drug dealer ?


50 posted on 03/30/2008 5:07:57 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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