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Marine Charges 'Mistake,' Lawyer Says(Haditha)
newsmax.com ^ | March 29, 2008 4:54 PM | Nat Helms

Posted on 03/30/2008 7:00:47 AM PDT by kellynla

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And an apology from Jack Murtha will be forthcoming... yeaaaaaaaaaaaa right!

I hope my fellow Marines sue the hell out of Time Magazine!

Semper Fi, Kelly

1 posted on 03/30/2008 7:00:48 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: freema; SandRat

ping


2 posted on 03/30/2008 7:01:10 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; ...

This is just another AWESOME piece by Nat Helms!


3 posted on 03/30/2008 7:03:52 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: kellynla

Its an outrage, any way you cut it. Expect to see the story on page 33 of the NYT.


4 posted on 03/30/2008 7:07:03 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: 4woodenboats; American Cabalist; AmericanYankee; AndrewWalden; Antoninus; AliVeritas; ardara; ...
Nat Helms broke the story at NewsMax. Smoothsailing posted a thread HERE.

A longer version of Friday's story was posted later on NewsMax and is a MUST-READ.

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5 posted on 03/30/2008 7:16:54 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: kellynla

a new Newspeak term:

Deliberate mistake...


6 posted on 03/30/2008 7:18:40 AM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: kellynla
(shaking my head)..... so the guy got his 4th star by sacrificing his Marine in order for the PC congressional committee to recommend the promotion. That just doesn't sound like something Mattis would do.

wow, we're becoming the Army.....I'm not a Boy Scout, but I do confess to some idealism. Maybe this is a hit on Mattis for all his talk in public about "Liking to brawl" or "no better friend, no worse enemy". Somebody decided to start prosecuting Marines in his division....just weird.

There has got to be somebody else at work here or some other thing that pushed this along. Or maybe it's just a coinky dink.

7 posted on 03/30/2008 7:19:30 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: kellynla

When I first heard of this action yesterday — I was afraid the LCpl had agreed to testify against SSgt Wuterich.
To date - all the damaging “testimony” has come from unreliable and known to be lying Arab “witnesses”. The persecution is desperate to get a legitimate witness, such as another Marine, testifying to the Murtha’s version of the firefight.

From this article - it’s not so apparent.

What is the “inside” thinking on this score?

One article painted for civilians — a damaging description of the SSgt’s activities after the firefight...
Though seemingly vulgar, it described activity better understood by those with similar experiences -— and was less bizarre than most civilians would want to think.


8 posted on 03/30/2008 7:24:56 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Dick Vomer
My guess is that after the “heat” from Gitmo,
the Bush Administration pressured the Sec. of the Navy to push this investigation & indictment and as a consequence some overzealous JAG tried to “railroad” these Marines.

As I predicted when these Marines were first accused of murdering these people, “These people were probably killed in crossfire and/or by the “bad guys” before they “bugged out.” And all of these Marines will be exonerated of murder.
Aerial video proved that I was right.

Semper Fi,
Kelly

9 posted on 03/30/2008 7:29:48 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“Its an outrage, any way you cut it. Expect to see the story on page 33 of the NYT.”

It’s worse than that. Here’s a quote from yesterday’s NYT’s piece.

“Over a period of hours, marines assaulted four Iraqi homes, killing 24 people, almost all unarmed.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1993853/posts

I have since emailed the NYT managing editor and informed them that they might want to print a retraction before the “Haditha” Marines retain an attorney. Libel can prove to be an expensive proposition.


10 posted on 03/30/2008 7:34:50 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: RedRover; kellynla
Charges against the veteran Oklahoma infantryman were dismissed Friday morning “with prejudice” by Lt. Gen Samuel Helland, the convening authority and final arbiter in the notorious case. His decision means Tatum is free and clear of further prosecution in the case.

“Lance Corporal Tatum wants to make it clear to the Marine Corps – especially other Marines - and everyone else that there were no deals in this decision. I have never had a client who would have more preferred to have a trial rather than have the charges dismissed in a deal. He has believed all along he did nothing wrong and was prepared and anxious to stand trial,” Zimmermann said.

DISMISSAL WITH PREJUDICE - When a case is dismissed for good reason and the plaintiff is barred from bringing an action on the same claim.

11 posted on 03/30/2008 7:34:55 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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The persecution is desperate to get a legitimate witness

What I am afraid of is that the truth won't matter. The evidence won't matter.

And what I fear most is that if Salome wants a head, she gets a head.

12 posted on 03/30/2008 7:37:16 AM PDT by bigheadfred (freeevanvela.com)
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To: kellynla

“Winter was particularly critical of the three senior Marines’ apparent reluctance to respond to multiple requests by Time magazine to reveal what happened at Haditha.”
That’s sound reasoning for destroying mens’ careers. How did that jerk become Secretary of the Navy? I forgot. He’s another “W” second rater.


13 posted on 03/30/2008 7:44:07 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: Dick Vomer

I totally agree about Mattis.

Then there’s the issue of Huck, too, with Winter’s public censure of Huck in this current situation. I believe this was pay back for his role in dismissing all of Pantano’s charges and will believe this until my last breath.


14 posted on 03/30/2008 7:47:26 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: smoothsailing

IIRC, with prejudice also means the charges can be leveled again at some future date.


15 posted on 03/30/2008 7:48:37 AM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: null and void
With prejudice means the claims and charges CANNOT be brought again.
16 posted on 03/30/2008 7:51:19 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (CANNOT be brought again.)
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To: bigheadfred

This case will not permit a “lynching”...

This case has drawn far too much attention, from those still in the Marine Corps, former Marines and the public - who will NOT tolerate a questionable conviction..
Most are expecting and demanding “Jury Nullification” unless horrific violations are PROVED beyond doubt.

Ironically, it was that SOB Murtha’s outrageous charge that will insure that.
He has so outraged forces, a questionable conviction will smell like a sacrificial lamb slaughtered to curry favor with a powerful politician or to protect Murtha from further embarrassment or legal assault.

I for one, will not be happy until that %$#$ $#%^$#^% Murtha POS is impaled upon a 50 pole in front of the White House.


17 posted on 03/30/2008 7:55:27 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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Zimmermann said his client will stay in the Marine Corps voluntarily for at least six more months to ease the way for the Marine Corps to obtain his testimony if he is called to present it. Both sides of the case think Tatum will bolster their cases, a notion that makes some of the defense teams privately scoff.

The most hopeful paragraph in the whole article. Will we see SSgt Wuterich's case also dismissed? One can always hope and pray....

18 posted on 03/30/2008 7:59:10 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Ah, thanks!

That’s better.


19 posted on 03/30/2008 8:02:10 AM PDT by null and void (It's 3 AM, do you know where Hillary is? Does she know where Bill is? Does Bill know what 'is' is?)
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To: All; kellynla; river rat; Dick Vomer; smoothsailing; bigheadfred; jazusamo; Girlene; lilycicero
Here's a diagram of the actions in the second house that Marines entered that morning--the only action that really matters in SSgt Wuterich's court martial.

The prosecution is praying that, by calling LCpl Tatum as a witness in the SSgt Wuterich court martial, he'll identify SSgt Wuterich as the second shooter (labeled as a question mark at the lower right.

First problem is that LCpl Tatum has already said that there was too much grenade smoke, and everything was happening too fast, for him to be sure whether the shooter was SSgt Wuterich or LCpl Mendoza. LCpl Tatum was given a polygraph by investigators and he passed.

Second problem is that even if LCpl Tatum testified that it might have been SSgt Wuterich, that's not enough to win a conviction from a jury of Marines.

Unless the prosecution has a big, hairy rabbit to pull out of their hats, no way will SSgt Wuterich be convicted of any serious offense.


20 posted on 03/30/2008 8:03:41 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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