Posted on 03/27/2008 3:39:44 PM PDT by PercivalWalks
And distortions thereof. I do believe the point is left unmade to some; probably will remain that way.
Assuming that a mother is paying her own mortgage/rent and utilities, what do you think is then a fair amount for the father to kick in?
How the hell should I know? Is this some sideways attempt to make a point?
Does some beaurocrat know? Is it the beaurocrat's business to begin with?
You go figure it out -- oh, wait, I'm sure you already have: "If it's The Law, it must be right, dammit."
ROTFL. You're the one who came up with the 30% Einstein. Now you're not sure?
You know, it's scary sometime what grown-ups think passes for logic.
Let's go over yours.
You presented a hypothetical situation and asked me what I would propose. The only right answer is, "How the hell do I know?" Do you?
Of course you don't.
Now, I made a remark, more like a one-line play, to prove a point. It was a complete artifice. I said "Johnny, your dad's a deadbeat because he cannot afford to pay his rent and give your mother 30% of his gross."
There are several points being made in this line, but I regret that you demonstrate they are buried too deeply for you to get. My condolensces.
In the mean time, the 30% comes right out of the Child Support Guidelines for a certain state, for a certain size family; and is probably right in the ballpark for most states.
But, look, these are too many facts for you. Let me try your approach to reasoning: I'll turn it into a question for you: Could you support yourself on 67% of your gross? Remember, you still have to pay taxes on 100% of it.
I don't really want to know the answer, so there's no need to reply to me.
Yes you did and you made it clear that you thought that was too much money. So I then gave you the hypothetical of the mother paying her own mortgage and utilities and asked you what you then would think was fair for the dad to kick in. Given that you are apparently so familiar with the Child Support Guidelines, why is that such a difficult question for you to answer? Come on, just ballpark me. You can do it.
>>the revenge of the Bitch State.<<
Precicely. A young man is a fool to marry in the US, unless he is impotent, AND refuses to adapt children.
And I have three twenty-something daughters.
>>So we’ll confiscate more taxpayer funds to take care of you.<<
I tend to agree. Once the state, via the power of the gun, removes a man from his children’s household, they assume his responsibility to support them.
And if there was cause to separate him from his children, he should be in prison for that cause, whatever it may be.
Our easy divorce system is creating a class of indentured slaves and “virtual” orphans - wards of the state.
>>...and there is NO reason to not support a child. If you can’t afford it on your salary, get a second job, or a third one - no excuse for not taking care of your kid.<<
Once the state removes the child from under my roof, it is no longer mine. They took it, they can support it. It happened to me. Almost all the money I paid for support ($2600 a month) went to my ex’s savings while I kept buying kids clothing and going to their plays and parent teacher conferences. If I could do it over again, I would leave the country with no forwarding address to ANYONE.
I am a sleeper. This happened to me over a decade ago and thank God my youngest was ten at the time! Funny thing is that my anger is not at my ex that did all this terrible stuff. It is at the state that enabled her.
>>It was that way for my folks. When they divorced we first lived with my mom and my dad had child support taken out through Friend of the Court. I moved back in with my dad, then so did my brother but instead of going through all the hassle of changing things, when the check came to my mom she signed it back over to my dad. They (FOTC) make life far harder than it needs to be.<<
That’s amazing. Similar thing happened to me but when I stopped paying support when the my oldest moved back in with me, she came to my place screaming that she should still be getting the support. I’ll never forget her waving the original court order in my face right in front of her daughter. The court sided with me. In the end I even got my youngest “back” but I had to go to court to get her. The ex’s attorney embarrassed herself in front of the judge while I sat back calmly observing. She had a strong Hillary style. Seriously.
>>Assuming that a mother is paying her own mortgage/rent and utilities, what do you think is then a fair amount for the father to kick in?<<
If the father was removed against his will from his children, nothing. The state assumed responsibility when it forcibly separated him from his children.
What if it was an agreed upon divorce?
It speaks volumes of your character that you would want to just leave your kids if you had it to do over again.
People that actually know me think my character is just fine, thank you.
I consider this an actual war, you see. In war there are casualties.
Oh, and this war has definitely been lost. That is, there is no turning back for our country. It will be too little too late. I WILL be expatriating.
It is oddly funny really. I am, right now, trying to put together a band where my three daughters are the front singers (they are all disgustingly good singers, very attractive and in their 20’s) but there is a weirdness in our relationships because their narcissistic mother, empowered by the state, destroyed our family. They are more like nieces than daughters. I see myself more as a favorite uncle than a father.
The United States stripped my children from me without cause. And that speaks volumes about this country's character.
And I will never forget.
You bear no responsibility for marrying this mother? It’s just easier to blame the evil women than looking at your own choices and what choices you made in your marriage partner.
The law is tilted toward the woman in the system. A father with custody has to prove he actually has the kids.
I tried to take my grandson to the ER once. I had a permission note from my son. I was repeatedly asked about the child's mother, where was she, why don't you have a note from her. I finally had to explain “She's in prison, you sambas!”. I was trying to be delicate about the situation in front of a 3 year old.
Now the second part of my rant. I've known many men who have custody of their kids. Not a one got any child support. The majority of the mothers paid no support. Mostly because the reasons they didn't have their kids made them incapable of holding down any kind job. Or they just got knocked up again and went on welfare. Now I don't hear much about deadbeat moms.
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