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Regulators Stamp Copper as a Germ Killer
NY Times ^ | March 26, 2008 | BARNABY J. FEDER

Posted on 03/26/2008 7:03:22 PM PDT by neverdem

The market for antimicrobial doorknobs, hospital fixtures and other products that kill germs on contact may be about to take on a coppery sheen.

The Copper Development Association, a trade group for copper companies, said Tuesday that federal regulators had approved its application to market a group of copper alloys, including brass and bronze, as capable of killing bacteria and microbes effectively enough to protect human health.

Copper ions can penetrate the cell walls of microbes and can disrupt reproduction and other cell functions.

The approval is the first time that the Environmental Protection Agency has allowed health claims to be attached to a solid antimicrobial material rather than a liquid or aerosol disinfectant. The agency regulates antimicrobials not applied directly to the body under the laws intended to control agricultural pesticides.

How widely the copper products will penetrate the multibillion-dollar market for antimicrobial products remains unclear. Copper is a relatively soft, easily tarnished metal that may not be suitable for many applications.

Researchers who worked on the concept expect hospitals and other public institutions to be the initial market for the product, based on the approvals gained by the trade group. The tests showed 99.9 percent kill rates within two hours against the leading antibiotic-resistant bacteria now plaguing hospitals, said Harold T. Michels, senior vice president for technology and technical services at the trade group.

“This is very, very solid data,” said Mr. Michels, who said that the tests involved more than 3,000 samples and included a requirement to reinfect a surface eight times in a single 24-hour period to prove the results were durable. Mr. Michels said clinical trials were under way to test how copper bed rails, arm rests and other hospital fixtures can reduce the numbers of bacteria in hospitals.

Scores of consumer products are already...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: antimicrobialcopper; brass; bronze; copperalloys; epa; health; medicine

1 posted on 03/26/2008 7:03:23 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Ah great. This will mark the return of the copper bracelets of the early eighties, and the resulting greenish stains from those that refuse to remove them.


2 posted on 03/26/2008 7:06:55 PM PDT by MichiganMan (Remember when Linkin Park wasn't on your mom's radio station?)
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To: neverdem

Whats next? Will they find that silver and sulfur have medicinal and bio properties?


3 posted on 03/26/2008 7:07:53 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: neverdem

How bout copper compound impregnated clear paint.. to paint door knobs and “other stuff”..


4 posted on 03/26/2008 7:26:32 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: mylife

Silver has proved effecive on vampires and lychens, and it is highly antimicrobial too. My water filter is coated with silver.


5 posted on 03/26/2008 7:26:48 PM PDT by Sender (Feltzqlna dads if mental our Prophet, Peace Be Upon Him)
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To: neverdem

Perusing listings of antique, classic wooden yachts, sometimes you’ll find one with a “copper-sheathed” bottom hull. They are prized by aficionados. (no bottom painting needed, among other things)


6 posted on 03/26/2008 7:27:28 PM PDT by Rudder (Klinton-Kool-Aid FReepers prefer spectacle over victory.)
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To: Rudder

The USS Constitution was sheathed with copper on the bottom.


7 posted on 03/26/2008 7:28:20 PM PDT by Sender (Feltzqlna dads if mental our Prophet, Peace Be Upon Him)
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To: Sender

At least silver doesn’t oxidize as readily as copper.


8 posted on 03/26/2008 7:28:51 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Sender
I hope Nickel works!


9 posted on 03/26/2008 7:29:09 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: neverdem

“Come and get me, copper!!”


10 posted on 03/26/2008 7:29:37 PM PDT by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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To: mylife
I wouldn't count on it. Get the real thing.
11 posted on 03/26/2008 7:30:48 PM PDT by Sender (Feltzqlna dads if mental our Prophet, Peace Be Upon Him)
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To: mylife

Actually silver does have medicinal properties, silver is now used on surgical instruments for it’s antibiotic and anti bacterial qualities. Egyptians and Greeks purified their drinking water by storing in silver containers, it kills microbe of the nasty sort. Settlers of the West in the USA placed silver coins in their canteens to purify the water. Silver has no toxic properties and was the dominant anti microbial up until the invention of Penicillin. Silver is still used in dressings for burn victims and topical wounds. Silver kills bacteria, fungi and yeast forms.

There you have it.........now platinum, platinum is beginning to be used in all sorts of cancer therapies, but that’s another story!!


12 posted on 03/26/2008 7:31:27 PM PDT by jsh3180
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To: Sender

L0L!


13 posted on 03/26/2008 7:34:04 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: jsh3180
now platinum, platinum is beginning to be used in all sorts of cancer therapies, but that’s another story!!

I did chemotherapy in 1989 and the treatment was with a platinum compound.

Nasty stuff. But it worked...

14 posted on 03/26/2008 7:34:57 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: neverdem

this whole thing is easier said than done - has anyone looked at the copper prices and supply....let alone Chinas demand?


15 posted on 03/26/2008 7:39:45 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: jsh3180
Silver has no toxic properties

"The FDA does not consider colloidal silver safe or effective to treat any disease or condition. In fact, taking it could have serious side effects, such as Argyria, which is an irreversible blue-gray discoloration of your skin, nails and gums, seizures and other neurological problems or Kidney damage."

16 posted on 03/26/2008 7:55:35 PM PDT by LucyT (Sixteen years and four election cycles later, Hillary’s still here.)
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To: Sender
Silver has proved effecive on vampires and lychens, and it is highly antimicrobial too. My water filter is coated with silver.

So it keeps the vampires away from your faucet. I'm glad to hear that. It's really important.

17 posted on 03/26/2008 7:58:34 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear

Silver kills microbes in water sucked out of “clean” mountain streams, it is important if you don’t want to get the runs.


18 posted on 03/26/2008 8:00:45 PM PDT by Sender (Feltzqlna dads if mental our Prophet, Peace Be Upon Him)
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To: Sender

USS Constitution showing portion of copper-sheath hull

19 posted on 03/26/2008 8:06:45 PM PDT by Rudder (Klinton-Kool-Aid FReepers prefer spectacle over victory.)
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To: Sender
The first attack by a "submarine" (the Turtle) was foiled by copper sheathing.

The idea was to attach a mine via a line that attached to the hull via a "screw".

The screw was cast iron, and it just couldn't penetrate the copper.

20 posted on 03/26/2008 8:07:01 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: hosepipe

Thats what hull paint is on boats, usually blue-green. Copper is deadly to invertebrates. A penny in somebodies saltwater aquarium can wipe it out.


21 posted on 03/26/2008 8:09:21 PM PDT by Uriah_lost (This space reserved for a decent candidate,,,lemme know when we get one.)
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To: Rudder
I knew that because I have been on the USS Constitution, have held the wheel in my hands! I went there during Tall Ships 2000 in Boston.

My signature and the names of my family are peened somewhere on one of the new copper panels that now grace the hull.

22 posted on 03/26/2008 8:41:09 PM PDT by Sender (Feltzqlna dads if mental our Prophet, Peace Be Upon Him)
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To: Sender
The USS Constitution was sheathed with copper on the bottom.

That was to kill barnacles... Not that I take that personal.

23 posted on 03/26/2008 8:44:01 PM PDT by Barnacle
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To: Barnacle

LOL, as long as you stay above the waterline, you should be OK.


24 posted on 03/26/2008 8:50:50 PM PDT by Sender (Feltzqlna dads if mental our Prophet, Peace Be Upon Him)
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To: neverdem

Copper (and zink) penny for your thoughts ;-)


25 posted on 03/26/2008 8:52:08 PM PDT by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: jsh3180
Additionally, silver fillings are better at resisting bacteria and therefore tend to protect the tooth better from recurrent decay than white fillings.
26 posted on 03/26/2008 8:59:43 PM PDT by tongass kid
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To: Sender

I was just responding to your comment about vampires. Have you been having problems with them lately?


27 posted on 03/26/2008 9:17:59 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: neverdem
The tests showed 99.9 percent kill rates within two hours against the leading antibiotic-resistant bacteria now plaguing hospitals, said Harold T. Michels, senior vice president for technology and technical services at the trade group.

With insurance companies balking at paying for diseases caused by hospital stays - this solution has legs...

28 posted on 03/26/2008 9:21:01 PM PDT by GOPJ (Hillary's Tanya Harding Option: Start a race war. Destroy the Democrat Party. Win.)
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To: Grizzled Bear
No, no actual vampires or lychens have been sighted. I'm merely a product of my environment, with many movies. I doubt if they exist, but who knows.

I'd like to keep a few fine silver rounds handy. If nothing else, they are elegant and don't foul the bore. And what a statement.

The Lone Ranger approves.

29 posted on 03/26/2008 9:29:07 PM PDT by Sender (Feltzqlna dads if mental our Prophet, Peace Be Upon Him)
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Spit tests may soon replace many blood tests

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30 posted on 03/26/2008 9:54:32 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: MichiganMan
Ah great. This will mark the return of the copper bracelets of the early eighties, and the resulting greenish stains from those that refuse to remove them.

Well, they have the last laugh. I bet not one of them got an infection in the green spot.

31 posted on 03/27/2008 12:53:41 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: mylife
Whats next? Will they find that silver and sulfur have medicinal and bio properties?

Well, silver has bio properties. It turns you blue. Arsenic and Chromium have bio properties also--not nice ones.

32 posted on 03/27/2008 12:54:42 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Revelation 911

Think pennies, huge supply in hands of citizens, lurking in fountains, at river bottoms, on rail lines.
LOl


33 posted on 03/27/2008 1:22:15 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: ModelBreaker

Ithought the greenspot was the infection


34 posted on 03/27/2008 1:24:49 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: Nailbiter
Ithought the greenspot was the infection

Perhaps a sign of an inner infection of the spirit.

35 posted on 03/27/2008 1:34:41 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: neverdem

Silver works. Apparently so does copper, and it is cheaper.


36 posted on 03/27/2008 4:28:56 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Hussein ObamaSamma's Pastor, Jeremiah Wright: "God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11")
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To: neverdem

With all the copper thieves out there it will now be hard to open and close the doors at the hospital.


37 posted on 03/27/2008 7:07:56 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (God Bless George W. Bush)
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To: LucyT
Argyria isn't caused by the Silver, but by impurities in the water when folks make their own, and don't filter before drinking it.

Silver is often maligned because of the slang term for Mercury - Quicksilver, and it's use in Dental fillings - Silver-Zinc-Mercury Amalgam.

Also, I've seen some make your own CS sites for plants that used silver coins for the electrodes. Silver coinage for the most part is 90% Silver and 10% Copper. If one were to drink that, it could very easily cause the other problems you sited, as Copper is toxic to humans in more than trace amounts.

Silver has a long history of medical use, before Coal and Petroleum derived antibiotics, it was commonly used to cure many bacterial and fungal infections. It is still used in newborn's eyes after exposure to bacteria in the birth canal, in bandages for burn victims, to purify water, etc. It's still used in plate and Silverware, Jewellry, as well, wouldn't think that would be true if it were so toxic.

I've used CS for about 7 years now. I know folks that have used it for more than 20 years. None of them are gray, blue, or neurotic. If it was going to affect me or them, in any of those ways, it would have shown up by now, don't you think?

Do you eat Apples, BTW?

38 posted on 03/27/2008 9:21:52 AM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: mylife

Back when an ice box was a real ice box my ole granny used to toss a silver dollar into the pitcher of milk kept in that early version of a refrigerator to make it stay fresh longer.

I still have that silver dollar.

She was religious about dropping that silver dollar into the fresh milk we got from a farmer down the road.


39 posted on 03/27/2008 12:29:41 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.©)
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To: okie01
I had carboplatin and taxol - I believe the carboplatin was platinum based. But I found that your body will accept only so much of the platinum. My second bout with lung cancer, they used the carboplatin and I had an extreme anaphylactic (I think) reaction. My nurse daughter tells me that once you reach the saturation point, you can never take it again.

Carolyn

40 posted on 03/27/2008 12:34:12 PM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
I've made colloidal silver using silver dollars. I was never sure how long to let it work, and then how much I should take, so I quit. Any advice?

Carolyn

41 posted on 03/27/2008 12:45:04 PM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Barnacle

It also killed wood eating microbes. The antimicrobial properties of copper have been known for quite some time, even if they didn’t know of the existence of microbes.


42 posted on 03/27/2008 12:54:11 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: neverdem; All
Interesting article on Copper Toxicity
43 posted on 03/27/2008 2:03:26 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

Thanks for the link.


44 posted on 03/27/2008 2:41:05 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: Squantos

I believe it!


45 posted on 03/27/2008 4:46:16 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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