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Slouching Toward Denver: The Democratic death march
The New Republic ^ | April 09, 2008 Issue | Noam Scheiber

Posted on 03/24/2008 12:03:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Da Coyote
I should be happy. I am not. After all, should McKennedy - er - McCain be elected, the only difference will be the speed with which he implements left-wing idiocy.


21 posted on 03/24/2008 12:33:01 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Clemenza
{Hillary also has the white blue collar vote outside of the South}

Obama tends to do well in places in which blacks are large enough to determine the outcome or when blacks are thin on the ground.

Obama does poorly in places when other races have to rub shoulders with blacks. Sad that race is still a factor today. I want Obama smacked down for being a Marxist, not as a black man.

22 posted on 03/24/2008 12:36:15 PM PDT by Kuksool (Obama: Typical Marxist)
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To: Da Coyote

“I should be happy. I am not.”

I’m not either. Of all of the possible candidates — both in the RAT Party and in the GOP — these three are the best they could come up with? A bitter, angry, 60-year old hippie-socialist feminazi; A bitter, angry, race-baiting black/white man; A crazy, lib/socialist/RINO/GOP-sellout/RAT wannabe old man. What a choice!


23 posted on 03/24/2008 12:37:17 PM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: Kuksool

Yep. I made the same point on several threads.


24 posted on 03/24/2008 12:37:21 PM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Kennedy didn't show up until legions of Carter supporters had flooded the stage. He may have been disoriented amid all the chaos.

I don't doubt that Kennedy was disoriented. It might not have had anything to do with the traffic, though.

25 posted on 03/24/2008 12:38:44 PM PDT by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: Kuksool

You’re right in your assessment of “rubbing shoulders”.

But it’s culture, not skin color, that rubs the majority the wrong way.

There was a study a while back that showed that “diversity” actually was detrimental to a community, not a “strength” as the left tries to push.


26 posted on 03/24/2008 12:40:12 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: AntiKev

Well, if her Clinton machine is going to work in the general election, it had better work during the rat convention, because right now, she is behind. As I understand it from several reports, she cannot amass a majority of committed delegates at this point.

So, if the machine has any “stones” I would conclude that we would see it in operation at the rat convention.


27 posted on 03/24/2008 12:47:51 PM PDT by alarm rider ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -)
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To: Brilliant
Al Gore is the only solution.

Concur. But I don't think it's going to happen at the convention. Let me give you an insight into what I think is brewing.

The Democratic National Convention will kick off with a floor fight over Michigan and Florida. Some compromise will be found, and there will be temporary peace.

Then the superdelegates will put themselves up for sale, but neither side will be able to promise everything to everybody. So the superdelegates will abstain. As a result, the 1st and 2nd Ballots will be inconclusive.

On the eve of the 3rd Ballot, there will be a floor fight on reopening the nominations, and by a narrow vote those favoring reopening will win. Albert Gore's name will be placed in nomination.

At this point the talking heads on TV will state confidently that Gore will have it wrapped by the 5th Ballot. But while the superdelegates will vote in a block for Gore, Hillary's and Obama's support will shrink only slightly. By the 5th Ballot, there will be a 3-way dead heat, and subsequent ballots will not change the numbers appreciably.

This is where things get ugly.

By the 10th Ballot, superdelegates who stroll to the wrong part of the convention floor will be beaten, either by black supporters of Obama or union supporters of Hillary. There will be yet another floor fight over the expulsion of the assaulters, their replacement by alternates, and to whom the alternates should be pledged.

By the 11th Ballot, delegates will be arrested at the metal detectors attempting to smuggle in knives and guns. There will be another floor fight over the replacement of the offending delegates.

By the 15th Ballot, the fight will move as delegates and superdelegates fight battles with mace, nunchuks, brass knuckles, knives and guns on the streets of Denver. The Denver PD will be overwhelmed, the Colorado National guard will be brought in, and parts of Denver will be placed under martial law.

By the 20th Ballot, delegates will start going home. The 22nd Ballot will be the last one. The Democratic National Convention will adjourn without choosing a ticket.

In a scenario worthy of Allen Drury, the Democratic National Committee will meet en banc in Washington to pick a nominee. The street violence will shift from Denver to DC as supporters of all three sides and anarchists re-enact the Days of Rage from the Sixties.

The DNC, after some logrolling and dealmaking, will pick Al Gore as the nominee. Obama will be offered the vice presidency; he will refuse. Hillary will be offered the vice presidency; she will refuse. Bill Richardson will be offered the vice presidency; he will accept.

Hillary will realize that she has lost for 2008, and she can't afford to buck the institutional party, so she will endorse Gore/Richardson and save her powder for 2012.

Even if Obama knuckled under, his supporters would not take his rejection lying down, so he will leave his senate seat, recruit John Edwards to be his running mate and run as the nominee of the People's Democratic Party, supported by money from Soros and the netroots. His rallying cry will be, "Gore never received a vote in the primaries, the political bosses made the call, and the people have been disenfranchised."

With the vote on the Left evenly split, McCain wins 45 to 50 states.

Same destination, different route.

28 posted on 03/24/2008 12:53:36 PM PDT by Publius (A = A)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We all should have seen this coming.

1. Take two candidates with zero experience. The only thing that distinguishes them from each other is the “oppressed” group that they represent. Their candidacy is not about who is best for the country (because neither of them are), but rather which group of “oppressed” people should be REWARDED with the presidency.

Liberals, being liberals, cannot make up their mind about which group is more oppressed. Thus, just statistically, the support for the two candidates is nearly even.

So when you have two oppressed groups fighting for only one “reward”, there WILL be a loser. And the democrats fear how the loser will take the fact that their party doesn’t think that they are as oppressed as the other group.

2. Democrats do not trust the little people to choose things for themselves. For example, they take our money away because the democrats think we’re too stupid to spend it correctly. Likewise, they don’t trust us to decide who should run the country...so they gave a small handful of party members a huge amount of power.

Guess what...now these superdelegates have to exercise their power. Concentrated power in the hands of a democrat is an invitation for corruption. We know it, and they know it, which is exactly why they dread the convention.

3. Democrats have NO respect for the rules. Even though the rules for seating delegates were established beofre the election, that doesn’t mean that is the way things will proceed. Take the Florida and Michigan delegates for example. In the GOP, there would be NO question that these delegates are out of play, because of pre-established rules. But all a democrat has to do is come up with some Sally-sob-story and the rules are thrown out the window.

The whole convention will be a battle between those who wish to use the pre-established rules and those with the stories of suffering as an excuse to make up some new rules.

And we all know this is going to happen


29 posted on 03/24/2008 12:56:15 PM PDT by kidd
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

30 posted on 03/24/2008 12:57:36 PM PDT by Bobalu (What do I know, I'm a Typical White Guy)
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To: AntiKev
She has the Clinton machine, he has nothing.

Why hasn't the Clinton machine worked so far? Methinks Bill has the keys to the machine, and he's not letting Hillary ride it.

31 posted on 03/24/2008 12:59:19 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICATED)
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To: AntiKev

The Election Weatherman blog has election maps comparing Obama and Hillary. Obama is the stronger candidate.

http://www.the1andonlyfinn.blogspot.com/


32 posted on 03/24/2008 1:00:34 PM PDT by Kuksool (Obama: Typical Marxist)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The suggestion that Obama isn't ready to be commander-in-chief is "unusually corrosive,"

Because it's true.

33 posted on 03/24/2008 1:09:08 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: what's up
McCain is strong on the WOT...poles apart from Hillaryama.

Not just the WOT. There's no way they will appoing the same kind of justices to the Supreme Court. McCain will use John Roberts as his model. Hillary/Obama will use Ruth Ginzburg.

34 posted on 03/24/2008 1:17:21 PM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: jalisco555
Agreed. There are many differences between McCain and the others.

The WOT is just one of them.

35 posted on 03/24/2008 1:18:18 PM PDT by what's up
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As my tagline so states......


36 posted on 03/24/2008 1:19:27 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (The Presidential election is a race to the bottom. Which Party will out stupid the other to lose ?)
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To: Kuksool

“I want Obama smacked down for being a Marxist, not as a black man.”

Hear! Hear!


37 posted on 03/24/2008 1:21:12 PM PDT by ought-six
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think reports of the death of the Democratic Party is premature. The Clintons are the comeback kids, and I won’t count them down and out until the last chad is miscounted.


38 posted on 03/24/2008 1:23:13 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Thank God for every morning.)
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To: ought-six
I want Obama smacked down for being a Marxist

That is not going to happen in Denver. Socialism / Communism will be on full parade.

39 posted on 03/24/2008 1:24:26 PM PDT by myprecious
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To: Kuksool
Freepers in IN, PA, and NC ought to vote for Hillary.

Sorry, but I want Obama as the nominee. After seeing him dig himself deeper with his "typical white person" speech, I am absolutely convinced he should be the Dem candidate and that he will have coattails to drag other Dems down with him.

The entertainment value alone will be priceless. And don't forget that Hillary will do everything possible to undermine him to clear the field in 2012.

40 posted on 03/24/2008 1:24:38 PM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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