Posted on 03/18/2008 3:51:21 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
BERLIN (AP) - Lynndie England, the public face of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, told a German news magazine that she was sorry for appearing in photographs of detainees in the notorious Iraqi prison, and believes the scenes of torture and humiliation served as a powerful rallying point for anti-American insurgents.
In an interview with the weekly magazine Stern conducted in English and posted on its Web site Tuesday, England was both remorseful and unrepentant—and conceded that the published photos surely incensed insurgents in Iraq.
"I guess after the picture came out the insurgency picked up and Iraqis attacked the Americans and the British and they attacked in return and they were just killing each other. I felt bad about it ... no, I felt pissed off. If the media hadn't exposed the pictures to that extent, then thousands of lives would have been saved," she was quoted as saying.
Asked how she could blame the media for the controversy, she said it wasn't her who leaked the photos.
"Yeah, I took the photos but I didn't make it worldwide. Yes, I was in five or six pictures and I took some pictures, and those pictures were shameful and degrading to the Iraqis and to our government," she said, according to the report.
"And I feel sorry and wrong about what I did. But it would not have escalated to what it did all over the world if it wouldn't have been for someone leaking it to the media.".........................."
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
>>I wonder how it all would have gone without the photos?<<
There would likely have been a lot more torture and humiliation.
That she lacks sufficient remorse for what she helped those people do to our nations war effort and image is sickening.
abu grab an arab.
ahah
I still have nightmares about it.
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Not true, as the Army investigation was already well underway when the photos were published and those involved had already been transferred.
Man! You nailed it right there. She helped give the defeatist, anti-America crowd EXACTLY what they needed to destroy OUR war against Islamofascism.
Btw, she was never charged with torture.
She really screwed that up, huh?
Exactly.
Poor Lynndie gets "pissed off" and young American men and women get their legs blown off or killed by terrorist scum that rationalize their actions based on Lynndie's deeds.
Is there no one in the military to explain to these young troops how devastating their personal behavior can be to our nation's image during war time? In this age of immediate, world wide, media immersion, it seems someone should have that job?
I don’t think Military training has caught up with all the new technology like email and cheap digital cameras, at least as of the time of the scandal.
Someone needs the job of educating stupid media fed sheeple in the civilian world who are demanding a P.C. military. This is bunk. Most of us if not all of us who served in the military pre 1990's went through hazing and initiation's that were far worse than what happened in that prison. Our military is being P.C.'d to death. If you want nice find alter boys and boy scouts. Not saying there is anything wrong with such. But trying to make saints out of men trained to kill? We will never win another war with the current P.C. how war must be fought mentality.
Amen!
Say it again, brother!
There was NOT any TORTURE. Fraternity hazings are frequently as bad; special forces training is lots worse!
You're simply parroting the LWM (left wing media).
The release of the photos by the uncle of one of the men on trial (after he tried to blackmail the government into a plea bargain) was the turning point in the war.
It served to rally Al Qaeda and it served to turn the US public against the war.
Al Qaeda quickly murdered Nick Berg on camera and blamed the Abu Ghraib photos for the act but Nick Berg had already been kidnapped nearly a month and he posed a liability as another kidnap victim (a Haliburton employee) had escaped earlier that week and was telling the US government about his abductors.
SO WHAT!!!! SHEESH. How about pictures of our troops giving them hugs and kisses then. We are the United States of America Not We Are The World We are the Children. As for our enemies? We should be using every means at our disposal to kill them and yes that includes THEIR PEOPLE so they don't have time to think about it. War is an act of absolutes otherwise stay home. There should be no concern about what another thinks to dermine our policy and ROE's of war. That is the United States Military we have lost since post WW2.
It happened because of Political Correctness which took over both our education and military as well as our elected leadership. That should be the outrage of every red blooded America and not outrage over some POW with Panites or whatever.
Political Correctness will kill, imprision, and harm, far more persons than any terrorist ever will. But fighting PC doesn't make for defense contracts payola for politicans friends nor good shock and awe media stories. By acting to address or modifying behavior for the concerns you mention P.C. has it's victory and we get handed a hands tied losses. How many more times must we go this route before people learn?
It was Ted Kennedy and Hunter S. Thompson who crapped on our nations’ image.
Ted Kennedy proclaimed that Abu Ghraib had just reopened under new management (putting panties on prisoners heads instead of raping their wives, disembowling them in front of their husbands, and chopping off prisoners hands).
Hunter S. Thompson said it was worse than the worst of the Nazi attrocities.
The rabid Left should’ve all done as Hunter did and off themselves in shame.
How quickly the public forget that the “insurgents” released photos of our own soldiers dead with their pants pulled down PRIOR to the Abu Ghraib scandal.
No one ever talks of those war crimes. Of that humiliation. Of that outrageous act.
Were their pants pulled down to look for possible circumsized Jews or was it for rape and humiliation?
The enemy was way worse. WAY worse.
".. It was members of Frederick's family who gave the incriminating photos (alt) to 60 Minutes.[snip]
"He was sentenced to eight years in prison, forfeiture of pay, a dishonorable discharge and a reduction in rank to private. He was paroled on October 1, 2007 and released from prison."
Informing did not work out for him.
Prior to Abu Ghraib there was also a treasonous British soldier and British newpaper editor who staged a photo of “abuse” with the British soldier urinating on a supposed Iraqi prisoner. Except tell tale signs in the photo revealed it to be a deliberate hoax.
There are those who wear the uniform that do not serve on the side of the nation they claim to be fighting for.
A photo is a photo regardless of whether the scumbag in the photo REALLY had his heart set on serving honorably.
There are those who ask WHY would a recruit deliberately throw away a career in the military to trash his own team? The same can be said of the scumbags like Sgt. Akbar who throw grenades in to an officers’ tent to kill members of his own team. Allah fubar. This is war. They want to WIN.
There are those who justify their actions on Newsweak’s lie about flushing korans down the toilet at Gitmo too.
They are Islamic supremacists who see it as their duty in life to kill the kufir.
Any outrage works as “justification”.
At least as much to the point, what they did was WRONG.
If nobody had ever found out, it would still have been wrong.
Wouldn't make much sense, would it?
Over half of American men and all adult Muslim men are circumcized. This might have worked for Germans, not for Muslims.
>>The enemy was way worse. WAY worse.<<
I hope you don’t expect argument on that.
That doesn’t stop what was done at Abu Gharib both wrong and harmful to the war effort. Nor does it excuse England for her attitude about her deeds and their effect.
She should get a medal!
Let's see now. We get back headless, or limbless, even private parts missing, people from our enemy and the world see it as Arabs just being Arabs. By by gosh dontcha dare let a POW be hazed by a soldier? And you agree with this? Like I said most who served in the United States Armed Forced prior to 1990 or so got hazed far worse. Ask any pre-1980 USN Snipe LOL. Even our Equator crossing was more graphic in nature than what went on in that prison. What the guards did may have ben childish that's about the extent of it except of course to thos who prefer kinder, gentler, war so their media ran conscience isn't violated.
They were ALREADY being investigated with the lowlife leaked the photos to the partisan press as a means of revenge for not being able to save his own ass.
That is treason my friend. Treason by the soldier, his uncle, and SeeBS Viacommie.
for what?
Rumsfeld was quoted as saying the Abu Gharib people helped lose the war (and fortunately Rumsfeld was either not literal or was incorrect) but they deserve prison, not medals.
Don’t forget that someone photographed Saddam H. (we can’t say Hussein anymore right?) in his underwear while in prison.
And someone else videoed Saddam H.’s execution.
I don’t recall the names of those participants being made household names.
Thousands died and tens of thousands were recruited probably due to those stupid photos getting out there.
However, to blame the media for publishing the photos in question is childish.
Thousands rioted in Turkey when a feminazi’s rant about the US troops “raping” muslim lands was translated as US troops raping muslims.
Any excuse is there.
There were porn photos that were published in Egypt and elsewhere (and ultimately in the Boston Globe as GENUINE even after they’d been exposed as a fraud) that also were used to show “US troops” “raping” “Iraqi” women.
The photos didn’t have to be genuine for ANYONE to run them. They ran plenty of fakes too. The Western press even staged some (like the Daily Mirror shots of the British soldier peeing on a non-prisoner).
Our leaders are so P.C. they lacked the guts to do the job themselves. Saddams trial should have been before a U.S. Military Tribunal. U.S. Soldiers upon his conviction which would have came months sooner should have strung him up.
I’ll also take the time to point out that the New York Times ran the Abu Ghraib story on the front page for over 30 days as a daily story.
Our own treasonous press exploited this investigation to sway the 2004 election. It didn’t work but it did turn the tide on the war.
That is aid and comfort. Propaganda. Yellow journalism. Zogbyism. Treason. Scum.
You defend the media’s one sided presentation of this war?
Go smoke a peace pipe with Hanoi Jane.
We accept a lot of cr@p these days in the name of tolerance.
Past generations would have acted in response far more often IMO.
She is basically right.
Anti Americanism run by our Media and the global elites is literally killing us and our soldiers.
The adamant refusal to feature the violent brutality of our adversaries and the hyperbole surrounding England is a rhetorical construct designed to kill us all.
No I do not.
However, If Lyndee did not do what she had done, there would be no pictures for the media to print.
I am not a person that blames the messenger.
It was also very much a violation of UCMJ. So you advocate our soldiers violating our rules if the enemy is badly behaved?
Looking at it just from the practical side, this behavior was very obviously extremely counter-productive.
I do not disagree with your condemnation of the leakers.
My comments were with regard to those performing petty acts of cruelty for their own sadistic pleasure.
Doing so is wrong. It always has been wrong, and it always will be wrong.
I can handle the idea of “rigorous interrogation” when there is a real need for it. Bored guards amusing themselves by abusing prisoners is hardly equivalent.
I thought so too. As crappy as it turned out, she at least hasn't turned into a Jessie MacBeth anti-American kook.
Perhaps.
But is that blame justified?
Did it give aid and comfort to the enemy?
That's the definition of treason. Childish or not.
Just saying.
I agree!
Now open up a U.S. history book. When the nation went to war against itself POW's were used as slaves.
Did you get your ass greased TOO!
Me too!
How come he got panties and I didn't?
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