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German police shoot U.S. soldier dead
Yahoo news ^ | Mar 14 | Reuters

Posted on 03/15/2008 1:52:07 AM PDT by SolidWood

BERLIN (Reuters) - A U.S. soldier stationed in southern Germany was shot dead by police after threatening an ex-girlfriend and then going on the run armed with an assault rifle, authorities said on Friday.

The 30-year old, who was serving in the 2nd, "Dagger," brigade of the U.S. 1st Infantry Division, broke into the woman's house late on Thursday, threatened her and tied her up, police in the Bavarian region of Unterfranken said.

She was able to free herself and alerted the police, who began a search using a commando unit and a helicopter equipped with thermal imaging equipment.

Officers found the soldier several hundred meters from the woman's house and tried to arrest him but he threatened them with the semi-automatic rifle and was shot, police said.

He died in hospital early on Friday, according to a statement from the "Dagger" Brigade Chain of Command.

"The Dagger Brigade along with the United States Army Europe takes incidents of this nature extremely seriously and will continue to work with the German authorities to maintain community safety," the statement said.

The name of the soldier was being withheld until his next of kin had been informed, it added.

German police said there was no indication that officers had acted illegally and prosecutors were not planning to open an investigation into the marksmen.

"The officers had to assume that the suspect was going to fire on them with the weapon," a police statement said.

(Reporting by Iain Rogers, editing by Mark Trevelyan)


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1stid; army; daggerbrigade; germany; police; soldier
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To: nyyankeefan

What a stupid reply.


41 posted on 03/15/2008 8:27:56 AM PDT by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: RetiredArmy
Go to the Frankfurt airport and you would think you were in downtown Iraq.

That is so true. Just one comment: What you see at Frankfurt airport is the federal police, called Bundespolizei (BPOL) or (formerly) Bundesgrenzschutz (BGS).



They also have strong anti-terrorist teams since the Munich massacre back in the Olympics in 1972.

Best known is the the GSG 9 unit, especially for liberating Lufthansa Flight 181 in Somalia. The GSG 9 is also part of the BPOL/BGS.


42 posted on 03/15/2008 8:36:46 AM PDT by wolf78
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To: bone52

It is said (in other sources) that he illegally took the semi-automatic gun (! you can´t buy that in Germany!) from the armory of his unit. Depending on the rank and influence of this soldier, this doesn´t sound strange.


43 posted on 03/15/2008 8:37:55 AM PDT by Michael81Dus (Ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man!)
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To: Michael81Dus

That’s possible to do, even for a low-ranking Soldier. It depends on a multitude of factors, the most prominent one being how closely the company armorer tracks his arms room inventory before closing up for the day. Obviously that commander has some ‘splainin’ to do.


44 posted on 03/15/2008 8:39:59 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Dude, where's my adrenaline?)
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To: Alas Babylon!; Yardstick; buzzer

The incident is reported in a neutral way, just like the Yahoo message. This happens every day somewhere in the world - maybe not with soldiers involved, but you can find mad ex-friends all around. Since it´s not a special US/German affair, it´s not a big news message here. Don´t worry, the Iraq war destroyed all the US reputation, but Barrack Osama will build it up again! :-/


45 posted on 03/15/2008 8:59:55 AM PDT by Michael81Dus (Ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man!)
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To: Future Snake Eater

In the German forces, nobody gets off until the unit armory is counted and safe. When I was in deputy CO, it was the most important thing to ask in the late afternoon: “armory closed, counted and safe?” So I can imagine, the offender took the gun over the day, made it somehow off the base and kidnapped his ex.


46 posted on 03/15/2008 9:04:23 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: RetiredArmy

These days, Army national guard patrols JFK airport, too.


47 posted on 03/15/2008 9:05:41 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
Michael, you know that given the tensions between Europe and the US these days, and the anti-Americanism that's prevalent in Europe, that this isn't just going to be received in a neutral way. I'm not saying it's huge, but it will be received with satisfaction by many with an anti-American bent.

Don´t worry, the Iraq war destroyed all the US reputation, but Barrack Osama will build it up again! :-/

I wonder what you mean by this. Is this sarcasm? Or are you venting a little of your own angst towards America here?

48 posted on 03/15/2008 9:09:57 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: SolidWood
The 30-year old, who was serving in the 2nd, "Dagger," brigade of the U.S. 1st Infantry Division

Kinda off topic, but.....

A news story actually identifies the Division and Brigade of an Army soldier! Usually it's something like, "A U.S. Army soldier, who was in 1st Platoon....."

49 posted on 03/15/2008 9:10:46 AM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Brilliant

One of the first things they told us upon arrival to US Army-Europe was: “if stopped by the police, do exactly what they tell you to. Call the MP’s when you get a chance”. Why? German police are heavily armed, well trained, and don’t mess around. Always appeared to be good advice.

Regards,


50 posted on 03/15/2008 9:18:58 AM PDT by Thunder 6
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To: RetiredArmy
YOU DO NOT MESS with the German police.

The couple of times I had dealing with them, they were very polite, professional, and friendly.

Once was at a shooting range when a couple wanted to shoot our M-60's (the 1st sergeant approved as long as we got to shoot their MP-5's) Once when they were pulling over cars in Ansbach for safety inspections. The last time was when I was riding in a car with my roommate who got pulled over for drunk driving. Even then the Polizei were perfectly professional and even offered to call a taxi for those of us passengers.

Of course, I did hear stories over there about guys resisting arrest, mouthing off to the Polizei, or being involved in bar fights. They didn't end well for the perps.
51 posted on 03/15/2008 9:20:36 AM PDT by Tailback
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To: Yardstick
"Don´t worry, the Iraq war destroyed all the US reputation, but Barrack Osama will build it up again! :-/

The first half of the sentence is the present, the second is the future. My Icon is an expression of sadness/anxiousness. Although I think that Mr. Obama will make America looking better in the eyes of the world, because he won´t act "unilaterally", he´s also the worst choice for the global problems. So while I hope that the US reputation will increase (because you are our natural friend - given our cultural bonds), I hope it won´t be Obama doing that, but McCain.

52 posted on 03/15/2008 9:24:01 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Tailback

One thing that always struck me was how much more respect German police got from citizens compared to their counterparts in America. Don’t think it was just the fact they carried MP-5’s though... ;)

Regards,


53 posted on 03/15/2008 9:30:34 AM PDT by Thunder 6
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To: Michael81Dus
The Iraq war didn't destroy the US's reputation. Europe had been waiting for some excuse to openly revile the US again, and the Iraq war provided it. The present conditions between US and Europe would've arisen sooner or later, one way or another. If it hadn't been Iraq, it would have been something else. Now that the Cold War is over, we're no longer united against a common enemy, so the natural competitive relationship has reemerged. The competition is even more intense now that the US is so clearly the world's dominant power. And this is to say nothing of the basic ideological differences. These things are the reason for Europe's current feelings toward America. Iraq is just the excuse.

BTW, things seem to be going fairly well in Iraq lately. Is anyone in Europe aware of this?

Although I think that Mr. Obama will make America looking better in the eyes of the world, because he won´t act "unilaterally", he´s also the worst choice for the global problems.

So you agree that the world's problems are best solved when the US is more willing to act unilaterally?

54 posted on 03/15/2008 9:44:51 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Thunder 6
When I was in Nuremberg in the 70’s, an American that was fluent in German used the familiar term (du bis) you are in stead of the respectful (sie) you tense while talking to a polizei and he sued her for disrespect and won 900 marks for the statement. They don't allow any disrespect for the law.
55 posted on 03/15/2008 9:46:40 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Sounds like a note in their service jackets for a chaplain and a shrink. This didn't happen all at once.

IMHO, there's no way to deduce that from the available information. He could've just been a sorry human being. There are some of those in the military, unfortunately. Or maybe you're right. We just don't know.

MM (in TX)

56 posted on 03/15/2008 9:53:13 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: RetiredArmy

Well, as usual the Germans have more cajones than the French in terms of maintaining security. I highly doubt Muslims think of pulling the things they do in France.


57 posted on 03/15/2008 10:03:14 AM PDT by Niuhuru (Don't burn a bra, burn a feminist!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Indeed. The German polizei can pull some pretty rough stuff off.

Was in Germany once, with some drunk and very disorderly candians, who thought it would be funny to call some uniformed cops “Nazis”. They pulled a number on the boys. Beat em to a pulp, and then tossed em in Jail like no other.


58 posted on 03/15/2008 10:06:29 AM PDT by ketelone
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To: Tailback
The couple of times I had dealing with them, they were very polite, professional, and friendly.

Oh, I agree. I dealt with them a lot because I worked in the JAG legal office, mostly in criminal law and so I had lots of contact with US MP's, CID, German police, etc. for US forces committing offenses out side a base. What I do know for a fact is that many times we had troops give German police a hard time, thinking US troops did not have to do what they were told to do by the German police, and start some physical thing with the police. The GP always won those little get togethers. Stupid boys trying to tell cops what they can and cannot do to them.

59 posted on 03/15/2008 10:18:59 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (Obama nor Hillary have the gonads to be my President.)
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To: bone52; wolf78

I was in Germany in the mid-70s and again from 87-91. Unless the Status of Forces Agreement has changed significantly since 1991, American forces can own weapons without regard to German laws. They can transport them to/from Germany when they move.

Personnel living in barracks must store them in the unit arms room but those living off-post can keep them in their living quarters.

I don’t think this policy is well-known by the German public and I often wondered what kind of stink that would raise.


60 posted on 03/15/2008 10:35:23 AM PDT by jim-x (God help America survive its enemies within.)
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