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Kissing the Earth Goodbye in About 7.59 Billion Years
New York Times ^ | 3/11/08 | Dennis Overbye

Posted on 03/12/2008 7:08:46 PM PDT by LibWhacker

In the end, there won’t even be fragments.

If nature is left to its own devices, about 7.59 billion years from now Earth will be dragged from its orbit by an engorged red Sun and spiral to a rapid vaporous death. That is the forecast according to new calculations by a pair of astronomers, Klaus-Peter Schroeder of the University of Guanajuato in Mexico and Robert Connon Smith of the University of Sussex in England.

Their report, to be published in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, is the latest and gloomiest installment yet in a long-running debate about the ultimate fate of our planet. Only last year, the discovery of a giant planet orbiting the faint burned-out cinder of a star in Pegasus had suggested that Earth could survive the Sun’s death.

Dr. Smith called the new result “a touch depressing” in a series of e-mail messages. But “looked at another way,” he added, “it is an incentive to do something about finding ways to leave our planet and colonize other areas in the galaxy.”

As for sentimental attachment to any of the geographic features we might have come to know and love, Dr. Smith said, “I should add that the Himalayas are a passing thought anyway. They didn’t even exist until India smashed into Asia less than 60 million years ago — the blink of an eye compared with the billions of years we are discussing.”

While he does not expect the argument to end, Dr. Smith said in an e-mail message that, if anything, in the new calculations he and Dr. Schroeder had underestimated the forces that would be dragging the Earth down toward the Sun.

“So,” he said, “I would be surprised if anyone were able to rescue the Earth again in a future paper.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: earth; globalwarming; goodbye; kissing; sun
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1 posted on 03/12/2008 7:08:47 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

I think God has other plans for planet earth. According to Him, He will Himself destroy it and rebuild with a “new heavens and new earth.” The world’s wisdom is so phony! I laugh with God each time I read such foolishness.


2 posted on 03/12/2008 7:13:09 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: LibWhacker

It seems from here that the NY Times will be gone long before 7 Billion years.

Long before.


3 posted on 03/12/2008 7:15:59 PM PDT by Radix (Sarcasm? Yeah we got that too!)
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To: evangmlw
I believe God is trying to bring this world and mankind back to the place it was before the fall... the way Earth was when he first created it... isn't God the God of restoration ? and yes, he is going to make a " New Heaven and New Earth " and the enviromentalist, tree huggers, dirt lovers are going to have a cow when they see what God is going to do to this tired old planet.
4 posted on 03/12/2008 7:18:04 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: LibWhacker

does anyone want to buy my carbon credits?


5 posted on 03/12/2008 7:19:04 PM PDT by Disciplinemisanthropy (...and that, people, is what grinds my gears.)
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To: LibWhacker

For a moment there I thought it said 7.59 Million


6 posted on 03/12/2008 7:20:12 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (NO I don't tag sarcasm)
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To: LibWhacker
If nature is left to its own devices, about 7.59 billion years from now Earth will be dragged from its orbit by an engorged red Sun and spiral to a rapid vaporous death.

Talk about Global Warming!

7 posted on 03/12/2008 7:23:34 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: Radix

The Old Gray Lady will die and go to hell by 2100 A.D., but the Catholic Church, under the mantel of Our Lady, will remain, as it has for 2000 years, in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.


8 posted on 03/12/2008 7:23:44 PM PDT by Notwithstanding ("You are either with America in our time of need or you are not" - W? No, 'twas Sen. Hillary 9/12/01)
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To: Oztrich Boy
For a moment there I thought it said 7.59 Million

WHEW!!!.....you and me both....

*sigh of relief*

;P

9 posted on 03/12/2008 7:25:27 PM PDT by ZinGirl
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To: evangmlw
The world’s wisdom is so phony! I laugh with God each time I read such foolishness.

You are correct. We should ignore the wonder gift God has given us, our brian. We should not try to understand out environment better, we should ignore all attempts at gaining knowledge. In fact, we should stone those who try to seek knowledge that does not come directly from the Kora, errrrr bible.

I bet you're a barrel of laughs at cocktail parties.

10 posted on 03/12/2008 7:26:44 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: LibWhacker
...about 7.59 billion years from now Earth will be dragged from its orbit by an engorged red Sun and spiral to a rapid vaporous death.

Bush's fault!!!

11 posted on 03/12/2008 7:33:53 PM PDT by night reader (NRA Life Member since 1962)
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To: SengirV
You are correct. We should ignore the wonder gift God has given us, our brian. We should not try to understand out environment better, we should ignore all attempts at gaining knowledge. In fact, we should stone those who try to seek knowledge that does not come directly from the Kora, errrrr bible. I bet you're a barrel of laughs at cocktail parties.

Ah, nothing like bigotry and nose in the air elitism on a Wednesday night. Speaking of being a barrel of laughs, you sure do seem like a positive and happy person to be around.

12 posted on 03/12/2008 7:35:35 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: LibWhacker

The sky is fall, shouldn’t have quit smoking 20 years ago.


13 posted on 03/12/2008 7:38:19 PM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: TruthWillWin

fall = falling


14 posted on 03/12/2008 7:38:40 PM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: night reader
...about 7.59 billion years from now Earth will be dragged from its orbit by an engorged red Sun and spiral to a rapid vaporous death.

Women and minorities hardest hit.....

15 posted on 03/12/2008 7:40:37 PM PDT by Licensed-To-Carry
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To: SengirV
"7.59 Million Years"

I thought that was kind of funny.

Were you were one of those that failed to see the humor in the plan to fill in the Grand Canyon with rubish from Los Angeles?

I bet you're a barrel of laughs at cocktail parties too.

16 posted on 03/12/2008 7:40:38 PM PDT by An Old Man ("The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress." Douglas)
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To: ZinGirl

They got it so precise. Not 7 billion or 8 billion, but 7.59 billion. That degree of precision itself is idiotic.


17 posted on 03/12/2008 7:41:53 PM PDT by tbw2 ("Sirat" by Tamara Wilhite - conservative Sci-fi - on amazon.com)
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To: LibWhacker

Be there or be square!


18 posted on 03/12/2008 7:45:35 PM PDT by Parody
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To: LibWhacker

In 7 billion years, either the human race wil be long gone, or we will be able to easily move the Earth to another orbit


19 posted on 03/12/2008 7:46:32 PM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: LibWhacker

“If nature is left to its own devices?” Haha, like there’s anything that could possibly be done to prevent this from happening. All stars die. The sun is no exception.

I do not expect the Earth to last 7.5 billion years anyway. It’ll either be destroyed, or just become completely uninhabitable by that time. If humanity still exists, they’ll have moved on to other worlds.


20 posted on 03/12/2008 7:49:05 PM PDT by Zeon Cowboy (Pardon Ramos and Compean NOW! // R.I.P. William F. Buckley // Worst. Election. Ever.)
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To: LibWhacker
Cool. That means my reservation at the Restaurant at the End of the Universe is correct. Hope they have a good wine list.
21 posted on 03/12/2008 7:50:11 PM PDT by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: LibWhacker

I’ve got my suitcase packed.


22 posted on 03/12/2008 7:53:05 PM PDT by Roy Tucker
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To: LibWhacker

Oh, big deal. In 7.5 billion years, we’ll either be extinct or living in the Pegasus Galaxy.


23 posted on 03/12/2008 7:56:18 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: LibWhacker

I’m selling Exxon Mobil short in 7.58 billion years.


24 posted on 03/12/2008 7:57:06 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: evangmlw
"I laugh with God each time I read such foolishness."

Yes, but it is sad to realize how many have chosen death rather than life.

25 posted on 03/12/2008 7:58:18 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
" and the enviromentalist, tree huggers, dirt lovers are going to have a cow when they see what God is going to do to this tired old planet."

Unfortunately they'll be somewhere far less pleasant, and will miss the show entirely.

26 posted on 03/12/2008 8:00:51 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: LibWhacker
Dr. Smith called the new result “a touch depressing” in a series of e-mail messages

Good grief. How mournful a personality do you have to have to be 'depressed' about something that may happen in 7.5 BILLION years. How crazy is that?
27 posted on 03/12/2008 8:02:21 PM PDT by goldfinch
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To: LibWhacker
Why would Earth be dragged from orbit? The mass of the Sun should remain about the same, even though the size will increase.

Wouldn't Earth either get baked or the Sun will expand so much the Earth is engulfed?

28 posted on 03/12/2008 8:11:23 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: CougarGA7

“There’s no point in acting all surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display in your local planning department in Alpha Centuri for fifty of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it’s far too late to start making a fuss about it now.”


29 posted on 03/12/2008 8:15:02 PM PDT by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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To: SengirV

Brians are quite a gift.


30 posted on 03/12/2008 8:15:34 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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31 posted on 03/12/2008 8:18:53 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: LibWhacker

As the Earth careens toward the sun in 7.59Billion years....all that’s going to be left to burn will be....Jocelyn Wildenstein ‘Cat Woman’, cockroaches and twinkies....


32 posted on 03/12/2008 8:23:22 PM PDT by BossLady ("People will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own soul" - Carl Jung)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

“Wouldn’t Earth either get baked or the Sun will expand so much the Earth is engulfed?”

Actually, we will be frozen solid first.
Then boiled.
Then engulfed.


33 posted on 03/12/2008 8:26:14 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

“Brians are quite a gift.”

Trying to prove it?


34 posted on 03/12/2008 8:27:15 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: LibWhacker
If nature is left to its own devices

When has that ever happened in recorded history? We'll pass by a galactic hydrogen gas station at some point and just fill the Sun's gas tank back up. Or maybe we will figure out how to crack 2 helium atoms into 1.5 hydrogen atoms.

35 posted on 03/12/2008 8:31:19 PM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: LibWhacker

Here’s your opportunity to save the world.

Invest $1 in the Save the World from Solar Destruction Fund. Over 7 billion years, at a modest 3% interest, your $1 will grow to $1 followed by 45 million zeros, substantially more than a googol dollars (which is only 1 followed by 100 zeros). The administrator of your fund will take it out of the bank in the year 7,000,002,008, and then have plenty of resources and 590 million more years to save the world.


36 posted on 03/12/2008 8:31:26 PM PDT by AZLiberty (President Fred -- I like the sound of it.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Brians are quite a gift.

And then there are those O'Brians; "Wyatt Earp, Wyatt Earp, brave courageous and bold
Long live his fame and long live his glory,
And long may his story be told."

37 posted on 03/12/2008 8:31:43 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great...(until it happens to YOU).)
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To: LibWhacker

I’ll be damn lucky to live 7.59 years.

Thus, I do not care.


38 posted on 03/12/2008 8:32:48 PM PDT by Petronski (Saying that Hillary has Executive Branch experience is like saying Yoko Ono was a Beatle.)
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To: LibWhacker; All
Nothing left to do but run, run, run.
39 posted on 03/12/2008 8:34:44 PM PDT by dighton
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To: LibWhacker
"Kissing the Earth Goodbye in About 7.59 Billion Years"

Well I guess that debunks OwlGore's earth in the balance meme once and for all. lol

As an aside, I wonder if these luminaries, can predict what the weather will be this coming 4th of July as I'm supposed to go to a really great bbq/party and would like to know if it will sunny or rainy?

7.59 as opposed to 7.58 or 7.6 BILLION years.

Must be nice to be so enlightened and so precise.

Sheesh!!!

40 posted on 03/12/2008 8:37:13 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All)
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To: LibWhacker
Well, nobody has said it yet, so I guess it's up to me...

OH NO, WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!.

41 posted on 03/12/2008 8:45:27 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: evangmlw

>>>I think God has other plans for planet earth. According to Him, He will Himself destroy it and rebuild with a “new heavens and new earth.” <<<

Nope. Read carefully:

“One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.” — Ecclesiastes 1:4

“Bless the LORD, O my soul . . . Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.” — Psalms 104:1-5

“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.” — John 3:17

Recall that Jesus baptized with both “Fire and the Holy Ghost”. If one assumes the earth will be “destroyed” by fire, then one must also assume that the Gospel’s definition of fire is the same as our current and common definition of fire. But that contradicts the Gospel’s definition of fire wherein Jesus baptizes with “Fire”.


42 posted on 03/12/2008 8:49:00 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau (The president cannot let a piece of paper by a bureaucrat determine what his actions must be - FT)
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To: ADemocratNoMore

I like long goodbye’s


43 posted on 03/12/2008 8:50:03 PM PDT by shineon
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To: LibWhacker

That day when it comes will truely suck.


44 posted on 03/12/2008 9:22:45 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: LibWhacker

That day when it comes will truely suck.


45 posted on 03/12/2008 9:23:39 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: LibWhacker

That day when it comes will truely suck.


46 posted on 03/12/2008 9:23:54 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: LibWhacker
about 7.59 billion years from now Earth will be dragged from its orbit by an engorged red Sun and spiral to a rapid vaporous death.

Had me really worried there for a moment.

I, at first, thought it said 7.59 million years.....Whew!

47 posted on 03/12/2008 9:32:30 PM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

>>>7.59 as opposed to 7.58 or 7.6 BILLION years. Must be nice to be so enlightened and so precise.<<<

LOL! Reminds me of the time when the late Carl Sagan was on a call-in talk show where he had explained his theory of the future of our solar system, when a lady called in and asked, frantically, “When did you say the sun would expand and engulf the earth?”

Sagan replied, “In about 10 billion years.”

Relieved, the caller responded, “Thank God! I thought you said “10 million”.”


48 posted on 03/12/2008 9:59:06 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau (The president cannot let a piece of paper by a bureaucrat determine what his actions must be - FT)
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To: LibWhacker

Think I’ll rent a storage space - that should keep my stuff safe ....


49 posted on 03/12/2008 10:06:22 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Believe In Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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To: LibWhacker
That is the forecast according to new calculations by a pair of astronomers

Not exaxctly breaking news. Astrophysicists have long maintained that our sun is almost halfway through its life cycle and that its end (red giant) stage will be the doom of the earth. This article could have (and probably was) written decades ago.

50 posted on 03/12/2008 10:07:53 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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