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Parents sue over student's suspension for wearing T-shirt depicting a gun
03/10/08 | AP

Posted on 03/11/2008 7:14:54 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3

http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080310/NEWS/80310045

rules-link only----suspended for wearing shirt with gun on it.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: gun; sue; suspension; tshirt

1 posted on 03/11/2008 7:14:54 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3
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To: TornadoAlley3

http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080310/NEWS/80310045


2 posted on 03/11/2008 7:15:05 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Everytime McCain reaches out to conservatives, conservatives get poked in the eye.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Why school uniforms should be the way to go.

either that or allow any non-pornographic image on your T-shirt.


3 posted on 03/11/2008 7:18:14 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: TornadoAlley3

In protest,

other kids should go to school with pictures of

hammers,
wrenches,
baseball bats,
books...

and demand to be suspended.


4 posted on 03/11/2008 7:19:42 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: TornadoAlley3
If I were in HS again, I want to wear this:

I bought one for my dad at thoseshirts site.

5 posted on 03/11/2008 7:21:05 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Vaquero
common sense should be the way to go, I remember my textbooks had pics of guns in them, Civil War etc....and encyclopedia, maybe encyclopedias are banned in the school library.
6 posted on 03/11/2008 7:21:14 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Everytime McCain reaches out to conservatives, conservatives get poked in the eye.)
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To: theDentist

Take a Kid to a Gun Show.


7 posted on 03/11/2008 7:22:34 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
"...I remember my textbooks had pics of guns in them, Civil War etc....and encyclopedia, maybe encyclopedias are banned in the school library."

Hmmmm. Have you read Fahrenheit 451?
8 posted on 03/11/2008 7:23:29 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (IX-XI -- numquam didici)
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To: TornadoAlley3

The left is totally crazy in the head


9 posted on 03/11/2008 7:23:57 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Hegemony Cricket

No.


10 posted on 03/11/2008 7:25:57 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Everytime McCain reaches out to conservatives, conservatives get poked in the eye.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Years back when in school, of course I would have disagreed. A parent today and with a wife that’s a teacher, I see it a bit differently and the idea of uniforms makes complete sense.


11 posted on 03/11/2008 7:26:16 AM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

But it’s OK to give them porn in the schools!


12 posted on 03/11/2008 7:27:58 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (leftism is caused by a severe blow to the head by a blunt object)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Take a Kid to a Gun Show.

Take a principle with you too. They are the ones that need a broader education.


13 posted on 03/11/2008 7:28:33 AM PDT by chainsaw (Monica Lewinsky's ex-sex partner's wife for Pesident ?....No Muslim in the WH either.)
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To: Red6

Uniforms for government schools seems reasonable, but in the meantime, I hope this family sues for money and not just the right to wear the shirt to school.


14 posted on 03/11/2008 7:29:46 AM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: stevio

This one’s better. About ten years ago a BU student was suspended for wearing a tee shirt that said “It’s a White Thing”, on the day following a fellow student wearing a tee shirt that said “It’s a Black Thing, you wouldn’t understand”. One shirt, you see, was “offensive”.


15 posted on 03/11/2008 7:33:29 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Kids are in school to learn, not to "make a statement" or to "honor someone" or to "celebrate this or that". If the shirt, or hair, or skirt, or tank top, or shoes or jeans are considered inappropriate or disruptive by the person in charge, out they go.

This is called, "Preparing the Child for the Real World".

16 posted on 03/11/2008 7:33:40 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: chainsaw

One visit and they’re hooked.


17 posted on 03/11/2008 7:34:56 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

The indoctrination begins early. My 5-yo Grandson was forced to turn his t-shirt inside out at preschool because it said “Guns n Roses”.


18 posted on 03/11/2008 7:36:34 AM PDT by Sender (Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits.)
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To: Vaquero
Why school uniforms should be the way to go.

Abolish government schools is the best way to go. Not only do they force socialism by their existence on every child, they make every property owner a renter through property taxation. They teach an aberrant world view and assure that future elections will be decided by those already trained in socialism and conditioned by tyranny.

Education for the common good arguments have been exposed for their socialist ends. The "common good" is not the sum of individuals goods, but the establishment of a socialist monolithic state. Education should not fall in the jurisdiction of the government, but then again if people were free to think without the indoctrination of the state they might revolt against this rising tyranny.

19 posted on 03/11/2008 7:37:22 AM PDT by DaveyB (Ignorance is part of the human condition - atheism makes it permanent!)
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To: TornadoAlley3

When fear and stupidity rule. They really are nothing but a bunch of bleating sheep.


20 posted on 03/11/2008 7:37:31 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

No, common sense was the first to go away.


21 posted on 03/11/2008 7:38:40 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Oh, you should. Scarily pertinent even after all these years. It describes a world in which virtually all printed matter is prohibited...


22 posted on 03/11/2008 7:39:10 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (IX-XI -- numquam didici)
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To: chainsaw

You could even take the principal along, if you can get him/her to go...


23 posted on 03/11/2008 7:40:39 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (IX-XI -- numquam didici)
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To: stevio
The problem with allowing “children” to pick their own cloths is that you're dealing with kids. Gang wear, sex appeal, political statements, profane, and culturally/racial insensitive crap is almost preprogrammed. You can not expect anything else, and every year it's the same old crap my wife has to deal with. Different faces, same issues; the girl with the mini or ultra low cut, the ones with their crotch hanging to their knees, etc etc etc.

Mandate uniforms, and you end this nonsense.

24 posted on 03/11/2008 7:43:13 AM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: chainsaw

not only that, but principals too..


25 posted on 03/11/2008 7:47:11 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (If the left doesn't want me to say Barack HUSSEIN Obama, I WON'T say HUSSEIN..I promise,)
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To: TornadoAlley3

guns don’t kill people. T-shirts do.


26 posted on 03/11/2008 7:49:09 AM PDT by newheart (The Truth? You can't handle the Truth. But He can handle you.)
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To: chainsaw
"Take a principle with you too. They are the ones that need a broader education."

Not trying to be an ass here, but when you make a statement like this, make sure you spell "principal" correctly...

27 posted on 03/11/2008 7:50:29 AM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly (Proud member of the largest 'Hate Group' in the USA...The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy")
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To: TornadoAlley3

I was in a public high school the other day to watch my daughter perform for some judges with her home school orchestra. One of the dad’s in the audience was perusing Shooting Digest magazine.

I joked to him that if he was a student, he’d be instantly and permanently expelled for the big bad gun pictures in the magazine.


28 posted on 03/11/2008 7:54:27 AM PDT by cyclotic (Support Scouting-Raising boys to be men, and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: theDentist

I want one of those shirts. I don’t usually wear T-shirts except white ones as undershirts, but I’ll make an exception for one of those.


29 posted on 03/11/2008 7:54:38 AM PDT by epow (The scriptures teach that rulers should be men who rule in the fear of God, - Noah Webster,1823)
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To: cyclotic
I was in a public high school the other day to watch my daughter perform for some judges with her home school orchestra. One of the dad’s in the audience was perusing Shooting Digest magazine.

I took a small stack of gun magazines (printed publications) to jury duty last year. Although I was itching for a debate on the subject, nothing was ever said.

30 posted on 03/11/2008 8:01:27 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Where are they hiding Obama’s white half?)
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To: theDentist

I bought that shirt for my 17 yr old daughter. Best gift ever. Instant parental cool.

She totally enjoyed the reactions of the lib teachers and the admiration of the guys.


31 posted on 03/11/2008 8:13:02 AM PDT by Valpal1 (OW! My head just exploded!)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Home schooling, it's the only affordable answer to all the PC crap that you find at government schools today.

Since my daughter in law began homeschooling my two grandkids 2 years ago they are learning more and learning it much faster than their friends who attend government schools.

And equally as important, they don't get a daily dose of political correctness, enviro-whacko propaganda, and anti-Christian bias like kids do at government schools today.

32 posted on 03/11/2008 8:17:58 AM PDT by epow (The scriptures teach that rulers should be men who rule in the fear of God, - Noah Webster,1823)
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To: TornadoAlley3

This would be a very acceptable T-shirt image in our pubic schools.

33 posted on 03/11/2008 8:23:01 AM PDT by polymuser (Those who believe in something eventually prevail over those who believe in nothing.)
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly

Why? The principle principal doesn’t know how to spell it either!


34 posted on 03/11/2008 8:24:33 AM PDT by clodchopper
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly

Yup.
I recall getting a mail out for a Board of Education member who said she “would demand excellance in education.”
Like you said, ....


35 posted on 03/11/2008 8:36:32 AM PDT by BunkDetector
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To: TornadoAlley3

Hm. In my Boy Scout Troop we had a problem with a kid who showed up with his mom with matching “Jack Daniels” T-shirts to an outing. On that basis we instituted a rule that said that no Scout could wear a T-shirt with something on it that he could not legally own. On that basis, and given the laws in Illinois, he’d be a year short of being able to wear that T-shirt.


36 posted on 03/11/2008 8:58:51 AM PDT by RonF
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To: robertpaulsen

So a homo school administrator can decide that on a tee-shirt a condom on a banana symbol is fine but not a Glock symbol?

Funny, you are always on the other side of issues here.

Let us try to find some middle ground. On the issue of stomping puppys; I am against it. You?


37 posted on 03/11/2008 3:09:44 PM PDT by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: Eaker
"So a homo school administrator can decide that on a tee-shirt a condom on a banana symbol is fine but not a Glock symbol?"

Oooooh, that bothers you! But if the school administrator decided that a Glock symbol was fine but not a condom on a banana .... well, that would be OK by you.

Bias, authoritarianism, prejudice, having an agenda -- these are to be avoided by school administrators. Unless they work in YOUR favor, huh? Then they're perfectly acceptable. Desirable, actually.

If the school administrator is responsible to the parents, either directly or indirectly, I'm in favor of giving that individual full reign over the school. He rules the roost.

He wants to pull this condom crap and risk his job, that's his choice.

38 posted on 03/11/2008 3:33:23 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

The parents gave the student permission to wear the shirt. Case closed. The parents are the one and ONLY decision makers for their children’s clothes, hair, shoes, etc..


39 posted on 03/11/2008 3:46:44 PM PDT by southern rock
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To: TornadoAlley3

thanks for the thread..

marked to read later


40 posted on 03/11/2008 3:47:25 PM PDT by ~Kim4VRWC's~ (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: southern rock
"The parents gave the student permission to wear the shirt. Case closed. The parents are the one and ONLY decision makers for their children’s clothes, hair, shoes, etc.."

I agree. The parents are the decision makers.

Until the student walks into school. Then school rules apply. Certainly if that offends the parents, they are free to move to a school district more suitable to their "tastes".

41 posted on 03/11/2008 4:04:50 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

You don’t get it do you?

If the parents approve then screw the Administrator. I decide what my children wear not one of my employees.

Notice you avoided the puppy question. I thought it was a soft ball but I guess not for you.


42 posted on 03/11/2008 4:13:20 PM PDT by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: robertpaulsen
Certainly if that offends the parents, they are free to move to a school district more suitable to their "tastes".

I hear this crap from everyone of you Liberals.

I am not going to sell my home and move because of a douche bag employee at school. If anything, they will change or move.

The school rules are guidelines and they sure as hell don't run my life; yours maybe but not mine.

You do know that you are no more than a sheep.

43 posted on 03/11/2008 4:18:45 PM PDT by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: robertpaulsen
Until the student walks into school. Then school rules apply. Certainly if that offends the parents, they are free to move to a school district more suitable to their "tastes".

I disagree. The parents authority NEVER ends. A public school has no right to institute a uniform policy or tell parents how to dress thier kids. That is 100% a parental decision. The public, taxsucking bureaucrat leaches who live off the paychecks of private citizens do not have the authority to say "no", when the parent says ""yes".

And no, parents are NOT obligated to move just to retain their GOD given authority.

44 posted on 03/11/2008 4:19:47 PM PDT by southern rock
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To: Eaker; southern rock

In 1612, Galileo discovered that the Earth did not revolve around you. Get over yourselves.


45 posted on 03/11/2008 5:06:53 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen; southern rock

Good answer Sally....... eyes rolling.

You might want to refrain from debating issues with adults, especially about children with parents.

It might behoove you to stay off of the gun threads. You are way over your head there too.


46 posted on 03/11/2008 6:49:52 PM PDT by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: Eaker
You do know that you are no more than a sheep.

I think you owe an apology to all the sheep that have just been defamed.

47 posted on 03/12/2008 8:50:27 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly

Thanks for the correction. I forgot about the students PAL in principal


48 posted on 03/13/2008 11:06:25 AM PDT by chainsaw (Monica Lewinsky's ex-sex partner's wife for Pesident ?....No Muslim in the WH either.)
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To: chainsaw
"Thanks for the correction. I forgot about the students PAL in principal."

No problem. Hey, what are English teachers for? Hehe...:-)

49 posted on 03/13/2008 11:48:01 AM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly (Proud member of the largest 'Hate Group' in the USA...The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy")
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