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Athletic Scholarships: Expectations Lose to Reality
The New York Times ^ | March 10, 2008 | Bill Pennington

Posted on 03/10/2008 7:27:37 AM PDT by Amelia

...Excluding the glamour sports of football and basketball, the average N.C.A.A. athletic scholarship is nowhere near a full ride, amounting to $8,707. In sports like baseball or track and field, the number is routinely as low as $2,000. Even when football and basketball are included, the average is $10,409. Tuition and room and board for N.C.A.A. institutions often cost between $20,000 and $50,000 a year.

“People run themselves ragged to play on three teams at once so they could always reach the next level,” said Margaret Barry of Laurel, Md., whose daughter is a scholarship swimmer at the University of Delaware. “They’re going to be disappointed when they learn that if they’re very lucky, they will get a scholarship worth 15 percent of the $40,000 college bill. What’s that? $6,000?”

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Instead, Mr. Brand said, families should focus on academics.

“The real opportunity is taking advantage of how eager institutions are to reward good students,” he said. “In America’s colleges, there is a system of discounting for academic achievement. Most people with good academic records aren’t paying full sticker price. We don’t want people to stop playing sports; it’s good for them. But the best opportunity available is to try to improve one’s academic qualifications.”...

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KEYWORDS: college; education; scholarships; sports
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1 posted on 03/10/2008 7:27:38 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

Let me guess... this article is whining about the fact that the taxpayer isn’t covering the rest of the cost of college now?


2 posted on 03/10/2008 7:32:10 AM PDT by pnh102
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3 posted on 03/10/2008 7:32:21 AM PDT by Amelia (Cynicism ON)
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Here’s a good idea. Drop athletic free-rides and only offer academic scholarships. After all, are colleges supposed to be sports factories or institutions of higher learning? Too many of these athletic scholarship recipients are only in college for one purpose, to play sports anyway.


4 posted on 03/10/2008 7:34:35 AM PDT by Comparative Advantage
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To: pnh102

Actually, no...saying that expecting a full athletic scholarship is pretty unrealistic, so investing a lot in your kids playing sports just for that may not be a good idea — better to focus on their academics if you’re looking for scholarships.

If you want them to play sports because they enjoy it, go for it!


5 posted on 03/10/2008 7:35:48 AM PDT by Amelia (Cynicism ON)
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To: Amelia
Colleges pay for talented athletes in sports people will actually pay to watch. Even the "elite" Duke accused lacrosse players received little athletic scholarship money. The NCAA allows only 12.6 scholarships per team. Duke currently has 47 rostered players.
6 posted on 03/10/2008 7:37:00 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Amelia
Actually, no...saying that expecting a full athletic scholarship is pretty unrealistic ...

See if it was just the New York Times saying this, I would not believe it. :)

7 posted on 03/10/2008 7:37:23 AM PDT by pnh102
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I work in the collegiate sports field. Most of my clients are division II and III schools, where there either is limited scholarship money, or no scholarships.

I see tons of high school parents who spend ungodly sums of money on private coaching, travel teams, and the best summer camps. Yes, most of the parents have a good sense of where their child sits in the scheme of things. However, there are many other parents who have delusions of grandeur—and visions of full rides dancing in their heads.

I tell them if their kid hasn’t been approached by an elite team or gotten a letter from a D1 school by their junior year, save their money and spend more time studying. There are limited spaces available.

In all of the years covering high school sports in a pretty good division, there are a handful of kids getting full boat scholarships. Like one a year. And this is out of thousands of athletes.

The college coaches and scouts just shake their heads.

And if you want to hear horror stories, talk to a High School Athletic Director. There are nightmare parents everywhere.

They should get a grip and losen up. Sports are great fun, if you let them be fun.


8 posted on 03/10/2008 8:08:10 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am not from Vermont. I lived there for four years and that was enough.)
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To: Comparative Advantage
Here’s a good idea. Drop athletic free-rides and only offer academic scholarships. After all, are colleges supposed to be sports factories or institutions of higher learning? Too many of these athletic scholarship recipients are only in college for one purpose, to play sports anyway.

Actually, I agree with you, totally...the football fans might disagree, however. ;-)

9 posted on 03/10/2008 8:19:55 AM PDT by Amelia (Cynicism ON)
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To: Vermont Lt
I see tons of high school parents who spend ungodly sums of money on private coaching, travel teams, and the best summer camps. Yes, most of the parents have a good sense of where their child sits in the scheme of things. However, there are many other parents who have delusions of grandeur—and visions of full rides dancing in their heads.

I see tons of 9th grade students who think they are going to be professional athletes. I tell them that if they don't have the grades to play, the scouts will never see them. ;-)

10 posted on 03/10/2008 8:22:32 AM PDT by Amelia (Cynicism ON)
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To: Comparative Advantage
After all, are colleges supposed to be sports factories or institutions of higher learning?

I understand your point which is why I'm torn on the issue myself. I don't like the idea of using universities to crank out athletes, but OTOH the football and basketball teams are profit centres that, if managed wisely, can fund a lot of worthwhile endeavours. Given a choice, I'd prefer to have the universities here funded by sports fans instead of taxpayers.

11 posted on 03/10/2008 8:24:43 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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I bet the TIMES didn't name the biggest hindrance to college scholarships...TITLE IX.

My son is an NCAA division II baseball athlete. Baseball only gets around 11 scholarships for a minimum 25 man roster. He tells his baseball friends still in high school that his GPA and ACT got him a whole lot more money than his batting average.

Since the TIMES usually takes the “minorities hit hardest” approach I'm surprised they didn't talk about how their limits keep the economically disadvantaged out of college.

12 posted on 03/10/2008 8:27:23 AM PDT by fungoking
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Since when did kids stop going to college for an education?

Geez, everybody wants a free ride. They’re so obsessed with their self-worth and importance that they don’t get why nobody else sees why they’re worth free college.


13 posted on 03/10/2008 8:36:34 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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Another factor that parents need to be aware of is the nonNCAA schools (usually private) that do not have limits on scholarships and use small scholarships to recruit students. I went to an NAIA college that would bring in 100 freshmen football players a year all on scholarship. Ten to fifteen might still be playing as seniors. Back then that scholarship might be $500-$1000 off of $7000, last year I had a baseball player go to play baseball for $2000 off of $21,000.
14 posted on 03/10/2008 8:44:35 AM PDT by fungoking
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To: Amelia

Most of the parents I know, who like myself have kids involved in sports...do so not for the promise of “money”...but because the sports can make the difference in acceptance to a prominent school. My son was a “lazy” student in high school who scored well on his SAT’s....and because of swimming was certainly accepted into schools where most kids had much higher GPA’s.


15 posted on 03/10/2008 8:49:11 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: Vermont Lt

Hey Vermont, very well put! My son is a Freshman at a 4A school and just made the Varsity baseball team as a pitcher. He has worked very hard at his game and it has taught him great lessons about hard work and its rewards. Hopefully those will be lessons that will go with him throughout all phases of his life ahead. He loves playing the sport and the camaraderie it provides. Most (not all) parents I talk to will go to the ends of the earth sports-wise with their kids because it is a positive way to teach many life lessons and keep them off the streets.

That being said, we have ALWAYS stressed academics with both our sons and fortunately they are also extremely good students.

Their is a kid on my sons High School team that has a full ride (whatever that is these days) to a D1 school and apparently is a way below average student to the point of taking some special ed classes or tutoring. I just shake my head and wonder how in the world this kid is going to make it at a D1 school with substandard H.S. grades....Oh well!!!


16 posted on 03/10/2008 8:51:24 AM PDT by copaliscrossing (If stupidity were barrels of oil, we should start drilling the liberals heads right now!!!)
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To: Amelia
You've got it right!

I've been down this road and the idea that sports scholarships are worth the investment in time or energy is pure BS. It's worse for male athletes in the non major sports. I've seen top swimmers with Olympic qualifying times get 1/4 scholarships.

17 posted on 03/10/2008 9:02:45 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: Katya
Mine are involved because they learn life lessons they will not necessarily get in the classroom. Period.

Although those athletes who receive athletic aid are viewed as the ultimate winners, they typically find the demands on their time, minds and bodies in college even more taxing than the long journey to get there.

One of my daughter's best friends is 6'3", and a super-talented volleyball middle and basketball center. The expectation from everyone around her from her parents to coaches and college coaches is that it's a given that she chooses one sport or the other to play in college.

She's been balking at making college plans - her friends knew why - she was afraid to tell her parents that she was not interested in playing sports in college. She wants to have a life.

18 posted on 03/10/2008 9:07:05 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom ("My advice: Quit supporting the party that is symbolized by an ass." Ted Nugent)
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To: Amelia
One of my children was recruited by D1 schools for athletics the past 2 years, so I have recent experience.

We really didn't deal with scholarships because colleges also work with grants. They will determine how much money the student will need, then find applicable grants to cover that.

The grants are a substantial portion of the tuition.

Our child is also a good student. Athletic ability helps the admission process for a child. Rather than your application sitting in a pile with 20,000 others of equal ability, it is given a higher priority because it offers something to the college in return.

I was very impressed by the coaches who contacted us. We received a lot of information about academic strategies. Coaches are very concerned about academic ability and most contacted the high school guidance office to find out how good a student our athlete is before they decided to call.

It's not only athletics. Our child visited a school as an athletic recruit and was offered a placement by another department because of impressive language abilities.

If you have a have a child who displays a talent, regardless of whether it's athletic, musical, artistic, etc., it is really worth your effort to promote that with the goal of college placement in mind.

With good colleges, the most difficult part is getting in. If you are able to offer a talent in return your chances of going to a good school are greatly enhanced.

19 posted on 03/10/2008 9:32:27 AM PDT by longjack
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To: Comparative Advantage

Agreed. I work with underprivledged children every weekend and it seems like ALL of them think they are going to be in the NBA or NFL.


20 posted on 03/10/2008 10:01:43 AM PDT by mbraynard (You are the Republican Party. See you at the precinct meeting.)
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