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Posted on 03/08/2008 5:41:00 PM PST by Delacon
All right, let’s talk about the money.
After I asked readers to focus on the substance of the skeptics’ arguments at this week’s conference on global warming, readers insisted that I should have focused on the financing of the sponsor, the Heartland Institute. Others objected to my (and my colleague Andy Revkin) even writing about a conference sponsored by this group. I’m used to this sort of criticism, but I still find it baffling. Do the critics really think there’s more money and glory to be won by doubting global warming than by going along with the majority?
I ask this question not because I doubt the integrity or competence of the researchers and environmental groups who are getting billions of dollars from government agencies, corporations, foundations and private donors concerned about climate change. If I write about prominent climate scientists like James Hansen of NASA, I don’t feel obliged to note how much research money they get — or how much extra money is going to their field because of the concerns they’ve raised about climate change. I don’t dismiss Al Gore’s warnings just because his campaign against global warming has been so good for his career. I don’t obsess about how much gets per lecture or what he does with the money. I’ve criticized some of his scarier predictions (like the shutdown of the Gulf Stream) on scientific grounds, but I’ve never suggested he’s venal.
Yet even before the program was announced for this week’s conference, even as Heartland was (without success) inviting Mr. Gore and scientists on his side to come debate, the event was dismissed as impossibly tainted by money.
(Excerpt) Read more at tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com ...
Ping.
You are going to see more CYAs like this from the MSM as so-called (by Gore and his perfidious,paranoid, partisan,”proggresive,” perishing planet prognosticating profiteers)”outliers” gain credibility as well as empiracal evidence that continues to expose the zillion dollar man caused climate change scam.
It’s only a matter of time before facts and truth crack the shell of lies and agendas put forth by socialist “consensus” acadamia.
Man caused global warming is the “Piltdown Man” of the 21st Century and Algore is the new Dawson.
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By the way, just where IS Al Gore right now? Inquiring minds in Ohio, Wisconsin and Indiana want to know.
Well the status quo is where the real money is, so naturally there will be institutional resistance to change, but not really “new money”. Of course there is plenty of “new money” to be made in this new industry scamming and scaring people, and even lecturing college students on it. Speaking fees can run into the tens of thousands, taken from the student union funds. But I’ll happily lecture a few score students for 90 minutes a paltry $2500, plus travel expenses. Now if I could just find campus groups to sponsor my arrival...
Like Scrooge McDuck,he is in his immense vault smiling,smirking and swimming in carbon credit “kickbacks.”
I say we should embrace their hypocritical standard, at least long enough to throw it back in their face.
We should promote the following principle:
The correctness of a scientific finding is inversely proportional to the amount of funding its proponents receive from all sources.
Or simply:
Whichever side receives less funding is right!
One should goad them to promise to apply this absurd standard before you hit them with the cold hard facts about which side is getting the billions of booty bucks in the global warming hoax.
I bet you they won't have the guts to even accept their own standards. Liberals have a real bad truth allergy...they run when they even get a whiff of it coming to expose their hypocrisy.
“Man caused global warming is the “Piltdown Man” of the 21st Century and Algore is the new Dawson.”
I see where you are going with this but nobody got killed from the Piltdown Man hoax. I see a better analogy. Man caused global warming is the DDT of the 21st century and Algore is the new Rachel Clark. “Inconvenient Truth” is the new “Silent Spring”. Efforts to stop global warming by limiting production will hit the poor the hardest just as banning DDT did, and the poorest of the poor are in Africa. After the book Silent Spring was published, banning DDT was demanded by enviromentalists and sensationalized by the press based on poor and incomplete analysis of the science of the day. Sound familiar?
and the weather is ratcheting up this "matter of time" = good grief, It's MARCH - and there was 9" of snow yesterday - in DALLAS!
WE are so buried back here in the east that our town plowman had to break out the back hoe to push back the 8-10' banks at the edge of our driveways so we could see if there were on-coming cars before pulling out.
There has been record cold world-wide this winter. The goracles are ignoring and shouting "October was warmer than normal!"
It was that, Thank God. It's natures way to give extra time for animals, both 4 and 2, to put away some extra acorns or wood and batten down the hatches for a severe winter.
It's called weather cycles. Been doing it for millions of years.
I say we send the goracle to Mars - it's polar caps are melting too = Oh, I don't mean "too", cause ours have regained, with some extra, all that melted during the 11 years of the warmer half of the 22 year sunspot cycle. Now we slipping into the colder 11 years.
I was counting on GW - damn.
It won't take too many winters like this for people to wake up to the snake oil salesman and his con.
And by the time we swing back into the warmer 11 years, he'll be irrelevant - not that he isn't now...
I believe her name was Rachel Carson but she is still as evil as the day is long.
Did I say Clark? Jeeze.
You must have been thinking of Ashley Wilkes (Wesley Clark).
To a large extent,your DDT/Rachel Carson analogy is better.
However,academia did finally wise up and own up to the Dawson hoax—they will never admit to being enablers of the (still on-going) malaria mass murder caused by the criminally stupid banning of DDT—just as they will never admit to causing the murder of seven astronauts by the equally idiotic junk science banning of freon.
You know,when I was a small child,fogging trucks would coat our neighborhoods with clouds of DDT during the Summer in order to reduce mosquitos.We kids would follow the slow moving trucks and frolic in the dry white mists.
Forty something years later,I have yet to hear of any side effects from any of us.
And by the way,the local bird population thrived from both feeding and feeding their offspring the zillions of dead insects.
Add asbestos and second hand smoke to the list of “evils” whose myths are still perpetrated.
Asbestos is harmless unless you actually handle and work with it without proper respiratory protection—which was not known until the late 70s.I have an ex brother-in-law former insulator dying from long ago unprotected exposure to same.
But you are correct on the fib of the dangers of second hand smoke.
I remember those trucks. Being a liberal activist is never having to say you’re sorry. In this case, to the 40 million Africans who have died because of the banning of DDT(by some estimates). Ultimately, to them, it isn’t about saving the environment, which any reasonable person wants to do when faced with real threats, real facts, and reasonable solutions. Its about power.
“Charles Wurster, a senior scientist for the Environmental Defense Fund – the activist group that led the charge against DDT – told the Seattle Times (Oct. 5, 1969) that, “If the environmentalists win on DDT, they will achieve a level of authority they have never had before. In a sense, much more is at stake than DDT.””
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202447,00.html
Seem familiar? They won battle if not the war.
“Unfortunately, global warming alarmists will have an ally in the White House in November.”
Buck up. My personal concerns(belief that they are the biggest threats to our nation) center around global warming, illegal immigration, and judicial activism. In all cases Bush acted(is acting) like a democrat and we stopped him and congress in their tracks. What says that if we are confronted with a democrat president or a republican one that acts like a democrat on these subjects, we can’t beat them back? Now if a democrat gets elected, on the subject of national security, you have every reason to be bummed as all get out.
One situation I know personally is regarding an oil refinery that has a policy of advancing ways to tweak their refining process to affect this or that EPA agenda, patenting the process, and reselling it across the country. Yup, there's gold in that there green.
Same with the refrigerant that replaced Freon-12. There wasn't a push for a decade or more after the first environmental concerns about it, until Dupont patented a reasonably decent replacement, then suddenly we were in a hurry to eliminate the public domain freon-12 that anyone could manufacture. Dupont cleaned up.
The greenies are useful idiots, not for the commies this time, but for corporations that see money in manipulation of the market because of bogus environmental concerns.
The big question is,will the old Arizona arsehole stick to his man caused climate change guns (as well as other leftist positions)when he realizes he can’t win in November without us?
Then if he goes conservative in order to win the presidency,will he be as big a lying scoundrel as Clinton once in office?
I believe the PITA RINO is more opportunist than treacherous.
I hope I hope I hope.............
Get your head out of the snow and admit global warming is real!
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What most of these comments show is how many right-wing anti-global warming diehards there are just waiting to pounce on any public forum to promote their ideological propaganda.
I'm sure glad the left wing kooks don't have an ideological agenda and don't use ideological propaganda. What a hoot.
Read the comments under Tierney’s blog and you find that people are MAD that he has the audacity to treat anthropogenic global warming as a subject for debate.
BTTT.
I agree with your statement, asbestos can be harmful if one is around asbestos dust on a regular basis and does not use masks. However, just having asbestos present in insulation in a building or in coatings is not the danger they pretend.
He's doing an "O.J.Simpson" - He repeatedely told us that Two Billion Pepole participated in "Live Earth".
The Stats show that less than 40 million actually tuned in world wide (including the internet).
So he's out searching for the lost 1960,000,000 people....
Why?
Because, as a skeptic to their Gaea/global warming/ecological/socialist “religion” you are attacking what they have lost: their “soul” and their ONLY life, after-life, and “concept of being” .
Do you ever wonder how many people have died in building fires because of the overzealous removal or non-instalation of asbestos?
Probably just another set of statistics spiked by the environmentalist extremists and their tort buzzards.
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Yep. Couldn't have said it better. Millions of poor people will die from starvation and disease, but that is a small price to pay to prevent sea turtle eggs from being softer or a villager from screwing in an incandescent light bulb.
Or maybe people will grasp that being in a deep freeze is way worse than a 1 degree per century rise in temperature. I've always wanted to ask these GW kooks exactly why it's better to have cold. Shorter growing seasons, more deaths from cold, fuel being burned to heat homes, gas being used to power snow plows, salting roads into early April,etc.
That's why the asbestos removal scheme makes me so angry. If you just left it alone it would be fine, doing it's thing which is to protect buildings from burning up. When you go to remove it, you atomize it into harmful dust. I wonder if the WTC would have collapsed had the ceilings been coated with asbestos. Again it is a tiny price to pay to appease environmentalists, it was only human lives lost.
And don't forget Rachel Carson, author of "Silent Spring."
It'll have to wait until a few more feet of this global warming stuff has melted off - hoping enough will be gone so's I can BBQ come the 4th of July
Exactly right.
All anyone has to do is study the Little Ice Age vs the just previous warm period. One was a time of posterity and great strides in advancement, one was wide spread famine, disease and death.
Guess which was which - (rhetorical)
The dimwits choose the wrong module for their scam...Another winter like this and even the dumbest of goracle worshipers should get it...
There's been 5 storms since this was taken
I misremembered her name.
Read this and get back to me. Algores financial ties to the global warming scare amounts to fraud.
Media Ignore Al Gore’s Financial Ties to Global Warming
http://www.newsbusters.org/node/11149
Keep in mind that the most rabid of the ecowhacko bunch want people to die off so they can "live in harmony with nature". (But with all the modern conveniences, of course.)
Explains all the “Earth Without Man” so-called “documentaries” liberal academia are currently cranking out.
Fact-lacking wet dreams of the misanthropic environmentalist left.
Hominidphobes all.
somewhere someone is listening to speeches of global warming.
don’t know where, but he is getting rich off of making speeches on a lie.
Global Warming is over.
These academic dinosaurs are welcome to debate the issues forever, but they are no longer relevant.
I’m more confused than ever. How does he buy carbon offsets from himself? Or does he receive them as gifts and then sell them to his company, which sponsors his trips around the globe?
Anyway, it doesn’t matter. You take the anti side and I’ll take the pro side. It will be completely pre-scripted. We’ll travel around to universities and give heated debates to college groups, and sell books, and let them hoot and hollar. Just to make for good theatrics, I’ll get an EV and you get a Humvee. Heck you can even hit me in the face with a pie for $2500 a pop.
We could probably do 2 colleges a day and in a place like California there are scores of colleges we can _drive_ to at which to speak.
“Global warming” hoax BUMP!
Awhile back there were several articles posted on FR revealing that when asbestos was first banned the WTC towers were being built using asbestos coating for the main steel girders. At about the 66th floor (?) on one of the towers and a similar floor on the other they were forced to go to a non-asbestos coating to finish the buildings.
That is about where the buildings collapsed during the fires with the weight of the upper floors falling onto the lowers floors causing the pattern that is now considered evidence on "an inside job" or purposeful demolition. The non-asbestos coating simply did not protect the girders in such intense heat and they melted, bringing the whole structure down.
“How does he buy carbon offsets from himself? Or does he receive them as gifts and then sell them to his company, which sponsors his trips around the globe?”
If you or I purchase stock in his company, we are “giving” that money to Gore. His company will invest that money as they see fit. Heck, it will go toward such mundane things as payroll. The stock may rise or it may fall. We might see a profit. We might not. There is an element of risk. We aren’t part of the company. We don’t get paid for any services rendered. But since Gore is chairman of the company, presumably our money(and his) will go towards paying his salary or enhance his stock options(a form of pay). And the service he renders the company is that he scares the hell out of people about global warming so they will buy his company’s stock.
“You take the anti side and I’ll take the pro side.”
Not fair. Everywhere we go, those snot nosed little bastards will want to give you a ticker tape parade, and they’ll want to string me up. It would have to be a 60/40 cut in my favor. :)
thanks, bfl
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