Posted on 03/06/2008 8:53:32 PM PST by neverdem
By 2010, I expect the US to be even more fascist.
NO you keep your own eyes open...I suggest you take just one course in Russian history for example...a survey course for starters.
It’s really clear from your vacuous posts that you have no actual experience in either living in or studying Russia and Russian cultural/political history.
Most of the stuff you post is just so over the top Leftist stuck in the mud cold war rhetoric with no basis in reality claptrap.
Get a clue first and then we can discuss more fruitfully.
Dosvidanya
Any personal comment will suffice for elenil21, as long as it can shift attention from her failure to adress the facts.
Most of the stuff you post is just so over the top Leftist stuck in the mud cold war rhetoric with no basis in reality claptrap.
This demonstrates a bit of confusion.
During the Cold War, leftists were supportive of Russia's dictatorship and conservatives were critical of Russia's dictatorship.
Now a KGB man sits in Stalin's chair and once again, conservatives are critical of Russia's dictatorship. And that KGB is attempting to revive the Cold War through his rhetoric and actions.
America is more than ready to move on - Russia is "stuck in the mud" with its tinpot KGB strongman.
Get a clue first and then we can discuss more fruitfully. Dosvidanya
It's interesting that someone who ignores the facts would ask someone who has provided them with many, many clues to "get a clue."
Good day to you too.
Oh, and tomorrow, Russia will still be 10% Muslim and will still have a KGB dictator calling the shots. And those two facts will not change no matter how you pout.
During the Cold War, leftists were supportive of Russia’s dictatorship and conservatives were critical of Russia’s dictatorship.
This is precisely where your vacuous argument falls apart. This is where your Russophobia rear its lizard head.
Leftists did NOT and have never supported Russian people. The reveled in the destruction of millions of Russian people druing the cold war. They supported the Soviet State. Just as they now criticize Russia. And you too.
As i have prodded you earlier-—a survey course in Russian history will be a tool for your much needed enlightenment..but I suspect your anti Russian biases will preclude any rational discussion on your part.
Except, as we shall soon see below, you could not even follow the argument.
This is where your Russophobia rear its lizard head.
Always with the melodrama. "Russophobia" means "fear of Russians." I do not fear Russians - I feel sorry for them. I pity the Russian people.
Leftists did NOT and have never supported Russian people.
I didn't say they did. I said they supported the Russian dictatorship - and they did support the Russian dictatorship wholeheartedly. As you do now.
The reveled in the destruction of millions of Russian people druing the cold war.
Again, I didn't say they didn't. What I did say was that they supported Russia's dictatorship. Which they did, and which you do as well.
They supported the Soviet State.
That's exactly what I told you in the first place. The left supported the Russian dictatorship. In their case the Soviet Union. And who were the enforcers and preservers of the Soviet dictatorship? Why, the KGB of course. And who controls Russia today? Why, a KGB man named Vladimir Putin.
As i have prodded you earlier-—a survey course in Russian history will be a tool for your much needed enlightenment..but I suspect your anti Russian biases will preclude any rational discussion on your part.
I admit that I am no expert on Russian history, but I can say that I know more about it than you do.
However, the real issue isn't history but current reality.
And the current reality is that Russia is controlled by a KGB dictator, that Russia is 10% Muslim and that Russia is aligned with the Islamofascist regime in Tehran that sponsors Hezbollah.
You are hopelessly stuck. Hint once more: survey course. Or maybe pick up a Solzhenitsyn book...that might help you get over whatever your demons are.
Solzhenitsyn regarding Kosovo: “there is no difference whatsoever between NATO and Hitler.”
Again, I feel sorry for the Russian people and that after enduring 70 years of KGB dictatorships they are once again back under the yoke of a KGB dictator. If I hated the Russian people, I would be cheering Putin. But because I pity the Russian people, I criticize the dictator who currently dominates them.
Or maybe pick up a Solzhenitsyn book
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was a victim of the Gulag system that broke his mind - a system which was run by the KGB. Just like Russia is now controlled by KGB man Vladimir Putin.
Solzhenitsyn regarding Kosovo: “there is no difference whatsoever between NATO and Hitler.”
As I said, the Gulag broke his mind.
And, Russia remains a 10% Muslim nation in the grip of a KGB dictator.
Your postings are beyond bizarre-—crock of manure.
Seek help.
Again, you have only invective not argument.
Russia remains a 10% Muslim country under the thumb of a KGB dictator.
one word comes to mind: Masochist.
Seek help
You realize, of course that: "claptrap", "seek help", "manure", etc. - no matter how many times you repeat them - are not arguments.
Earlier you were arguing along these lines: that Russia was an upholder of Judaeo-Christian civilization, that Russia was a bulwark against militant Islam and that Russia was unlike "Eurabia."
To recap, I pointed out to you that Russia has no claim to be the vanguard of Judaeo-Christianity. I gave some points earlier, but I'll expand further:
(1) Regarding Christian practice, only a tiny minority of Russians actively participate in the life of the Church, a percentage as small as any secularized European nation.
(2) Regarding Christian liberty, the Russian Church is an active collaborator with the Putin regime and its puppet president, Medvedev.
(3) Regarding Christian morality, Interpol identifies Russia as one of the world's largest hosts of child pornography sites, and Russia leads the world in abortions. Russia is also one of the world's major centers for human trafficking and Moscow is one of the world's major venues for underage prostitutes.
(4) As far as Judaism is concerned, Russia is an epicenter of repeated anti-Semitic attacks, and Russia is the main supplier of weapons technology to Iran and Syria - two countries which sponsor Hamas and therefore teh rocket attacks on israeli cities.
As far as Russia opposing militant Islam, Russia is strongly partnered in civilian trade as well as weapons with Iran, the world's premiere Islamofascist state and sponsor of terrorism.
As far as the "Eurabia" crack is concerned, Russia has a far larger percentage of Muslims than any EU state, with 10% of its citizens being Muslims.
Rather than argue any of these points, you have decided to avoid discussion and have embraced invective instead.
No other explanation for someone who posts lies and more lies..except to say that he is full of manure. If the shoe fits wear it.. - no logic can fix it—it’s a result of the ID never having been restrained at about age 5.
The only comment worthy of even a brief response is your LIE about church attendance. The other putrid lies about the Orthodox Church only prove your ignorance.
—the churches are full..far fuller than here except for some of the evangelicals.
What are you talking about a survey course? This world is dotted all over with many forms of doctrine claiming Christianity. Even as Christ Himself said many would come in His name... let no man deceived you. That is implicit instruction upon each individual for NOT being deceived. Christ also said I have foretold you allll things. He did not say that any one person would understand alllll things only that He had foretold all things.
I can find NO Christ instruction in survey taking but He did say "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." And "Many will say to Me in *THAT* day. 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Th name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?' "And the will I profess unto them, 'I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.'
These words cut both ways to any and all who call themselves Christian.
In your own words you have likened Putin to be the head of your church, kinda like claiming Russia has the lead in who is or is not following Christ. Yet you point an accusing finger to anybody who can demonstrate the acts of Putin flying in the face of what Christ literally instructed was required to be a follower of Him.
Now it may well be just as Pharaoh was divinely used when God hardened his heart and refused to let the people go, so that the people would see WHO it was that led them literally to freedom, so be Putin. I won't *judge* Putin in the manner instructed in Matthew 7, but I can tell you that he does not bear good fruit.
So don't take a survey course...but do a little research on your own. And remember that nowhere else on earth have so many Christians been killed in the 20th century (apart from infanticide in this country) — Russian Orthodox Christians-— as were killed in the Soviet Union by communists...and still the Church is being reborn there and survives and grows.
Of some interest perhaps so that you know that this is what Orthodox Christians believe.
• Belief in Deity
Trinity of the Father (God), the Son (Christ), and the Holy Spirit, which comprise one God Almighty, an incorporeal spirit.
• Incarnations
Jesus Christ is God’s only incarnation, Son of God and God.
• Origin of Universe and Life
God created the universe and life. The Bible is not intended to be a scientific revelation, and science is not infallible. There is no desire to create conflict between science and Christian faith.
• After Death
God immediately judges who will experience happiness or unhappiness or temporary punishment. Those who kept faith in Christ, didn’t sin after baptized or repented before death, and did good works will find happiness after death. Those whose faith in Christ was lacking or corrupt, or sinned after baptism without repentance before death, or didn’t do good deeds will find unhappiness after death. Those whose only transgression was not performing good deeds may be punished temporarily. Christ will return to resurrect and judge all for eternity in either heaven or hell. Level of reward is relative to one’s deeds in life.
• Why Evil?
God made humans righteous by nature, but the original sin of Adam and Eve damaged that nature. All have been saved through Christ’s death, but those not “in Christ,” born to God, are vulnerable to being with the devil, born to the devil. Satan and his countless evil spirits work to lie and tempt those not filled with the Holy Spirit to commit wrongs.
• Salvation
All are already saved (Christ’s death and resurrection), are still being saved (through the church), and will be saved in the future (second coming of Christ). Demands faith in and prayers to God and Jesus Christ, and good works. Required sacraments include one baptism at infancy and the Holy Eucharist with confession and repentance. Adherence to moral laws is essential.
• Undeserved Suffering
Some suffering is caused by the inheritance of mortality originating from Adam and Eve’s disobedience to God, which includes vulnerability to illness and disease. Also, Satan rules the earth, causing pain and suffering. Suffering is God’s design to test, teach, or strengthen belief in Him; the greater the suffering of innocent believers, the greater will be their reward after life.
• Contemporary Issues
Abortion is a sin. Homosexuality is a sin. While marriage is considered a sacrament, divorce and remarriage are not condemned if reconciliation attempts are exhausted; however, a remarriage wedding ceremony must include prayer and repentance for the sin of divorce.
This dispute has never been about all the wonderful Christians that have been slaughtered for being Christian. And I do know there have been unspeakable hardships for the Christian brethren. That is NOT even the subject. Christ is the head of the church and He and only He is the Saviour.
Then I must say I misread your posting to me and you did the same about mine. We have no quarrel.
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