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Before Sending Your Child to a College, Ask these Questions
Townhall.com ^ | March 4, 2008 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 03/04/2008 4:32:35 AM PST by Kaslin

Before you take out a second mortgage or otherwise deplete your savings in order to pay for your child's college education, you might want to ask the colleges to which your child is applying some questions.

1. Can one obtain a Bachelor of Arts degree at your college without having read a single Shakespeare play, one Federalist Paper or one book of the Bible?

If so, why attend such a college?

2. Does the college allow military recruiters on its campus?

Before being threatened by Congress with a cutoff of federal funds, many colleges denied military recruiters access to their campus. They did so either because of their hostility to military in general or specific hostility to the war in Iraq, or because of the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy regarding gays. If you believe, as reason and history argue, that the American military has done more to preserve liberty on earth than all the professors in all the universities combined, you might not want to send your child to a university that is hostile to the military.

3. In the political science, English, sociology, anthropology and history departments -- or any other liberal arts department -- what is the ratio of Democrats to Republicans among the professors?

Over 10 years ago, the Rocky Mountain News reported that registered Democrats on the faculty of the University of Colorado at Boulder outnumbered registered Republicans 31-1. If such a ratio exists in the social science departments of your child's prospective college, why would you want your child to attend such an institution?

4. What are the names of the speakers invited and paid with college funds to speak last year at the college?

Just ask to see the previous year's speakers list. Colleges set aside funds for visiting speakers. One would assume that a good college seeks to encourage thinking and to that end invites speakers throughout the political spectrum. If your prospective college has a speakers list that is balanced 10 to one in favor of speakers from the political left, that will help you decide whether indoctrination rather than exposure to great ideas is the university's real agenda.

5. Can my child live in a same-sex dorm and are the bathrooms co-ed?

One generation ago and for all of American history, the university acted in loco parentis, in the place of the parent. You could send your daughter to college more or less assured that the college would act on behalf of her welfare as you would -- meaning, for example, that boys had to leave girls dorms by a certain hour. Now, most colleges have no boys or girls dorms and do everything they can to enable boys and girls to fraternize in each other's rooms at any hour of the night and even share bathrooms.

6. Is Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States" the most widely assigned American history book?

If the answer is yes, you should consider sending your son or daughter to another university or at least be aware that you will be paying a lot of hard-earned money for your child to be manipulated into believing that America is a bad country, certainly no better than others, as he or she reads what is essentially a proctologist's view of American history. Zinn believes, as he told me in an interview on my radio show, that America has done "probably more harm than good in its history."

7. Would a typical graduate of your university be able to say anything intelligent about Josef Stalin, Louis Armstrong, Pope John XXIII or Pope John Paul II, differences between Protestantism and Catholicism, Cain and Abel, the Gulag Archipelago, Franz Josef Haydn, Pol Pot, Martin Luther, Darfur, how interest rates affect the dollar, dark matter, and "Crime and Punishment"; explain what the Korean War was about and when it was fought; identify India on a map; and know the difference between the United Nations General Assembly and the Security Council?

If not, why not? How could someone be considered in any way educated and not be able to intelligently answer all or nearly all of those questions? If they don't know about such essential and basic things, what do they know? Movies? The supposed dangers of global warming? The importance of race, gender and class? The meaning of menage a trois (or "threesomes")? Great gay writers?

Unfortunately, the chances are that if you receive any response at all to these questions, it will be a discouraging one. Outside of the natural sciences, colleges are either more interested in liberal indoctrination than in a liberal arts education, or they enable students to take courses that are so narrowly focused that your child graduate will likely graduate as a cultural and historical illiterate. Why so many Americans go into debt paying so much money to such failed institutions is one of the riddles of the universe.

It is time to demand that universities teach. Forcing them to answer the above seven questions is a good way to begin. Because granting a Bachelor of Arts degree on someone who never heard of Cain and Abel and never heard a Haydn symphony is a fraud.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: dennisprager; highereducation

1 posted on 03/04/2008 4:32:37 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

1. was having children such a good idea...? /s


2 posted on 03/04/2008 4:35:19 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (the model prescribes the required behavior. disincentives ensure compliance.)
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To: Kaslin

Nice checklist. Send the kids to Wheaton; it’s still a great, well-rounded school, founded upon the Gospel, and, due to a terrific endowment, a relative bargain.


3 posted on 03/04/2008 4:40:08 AM PST by Migraine (...diversity is great... until it happens to YOU...)
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To: Kaslin

This is a great set of questions! After experiencing my own expensive indoctrination 20 years ago at the University of Michigan and taking ten years to educate myself afterward, I would never send my children there. In fact I would never waste the money on any public university. Perhaps if more people wake up to what is going on, there will be a market for change.


4 posted on 03/04/2008 4:43:04 AM PST by Elvina
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To: Migraine

We are planning on Hillsdale, but Wheaton sounds good also.


5 posted on 03/04/2008 4:44:18 AM PST by Elvina
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To: Migraine

34 thousand per year is a “relative bargain”?


6 posted on 03/04/2008 4:51:18 AM PST by iowamark
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To: Kaslin

Dang that throws out the Ivy’s. I feel that I will have raised my children well enough to withstand some of that liberal stuff. I went to FSU (Bachelor) and GW (MBA) and had a bit of liberal talk, but you just take in the good and throw out that bad. It really is not that difficult to do.


7 posted on 03/04/2008 4:53:59 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: CatQuilt

self-ping


8 posted on 03/04/2008 5:07:47 AM PST by CatQuilt (Lover of cats =^..^= and quilts)
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To: Kaslin
What are the names of the speakers invited and paid with college funds to speak last year at the college?

Milton Friedman and William F. Buckley, Jr., spoke at my college my freshman year.

9 posted on 03/04/2008 5:08:27 AM PST by Tax-chick (I am snide and not intellectual today. How are you doing?)
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To: Kaslin

A bettr idea would be a Bachelor of Science degree and forget all the BA crap.


10 posted on 03/04/2008 5:15:09 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: Kaslin

Excellent college choice advice! Thanks for posting this.

We homeschool. I was homeschooled. Most of the items Prager mentions (Shakespeare plays, Federalist, Dostoyevsky, classical music, Bible...) were 8th grade or earlier for us.

And speaking of homeschool, when you check out the possibilities, ask about the college policies regarding homeschoolers.


11 posted on 03/04/2008 5:16:25 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: bert

You still have to take 2 years of “distribution” courses for any degree.


12 posted on 03/04/2008 5:23:08 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Elvina
We looked at Sewanee this weekend. There’s no dress code but the guys still wear khakis and ties and the girls skirts and dresses. The profs wear robes and honor roll students wear special robes too. Very conservative atmosphere.
13 posted on 03/04/2008 5:23:51 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Who would you rather appoint lifetime judges, Barack Hussein Obama or McQueeg?©®™)
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To: bert
A better idea would be a Bachelor of Science degree and forget all the BA crap.

Exactly... It's hard to put a political spin on Physics or Chemistry..... :-)

14 posted on 03/04/2008 5:27:34 AM PST by birddog
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To: Kaslin

...join the military- get a real education, learn to think for yourself, make your own decisions about where to go, what to learn, what’s implortant and what isn’t...


15 posted on 03/04/2008 5:30:32 AM PST by nicko (CW3 (ret.) CPT, you need to just unass the AO; I know what I'm doing- Major, you're on your own.)
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To: nicko

ha...learn how to splell too..(implortant?) sheesh....


16 posted on 03/04/2008 5:31:30 AM PST by nicko (CW3 (ret.) CPT, you need to just unass the AO; I know what I'm doing- Major, you're on your own.)
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To: birddog
Exactly... It's hard to put a political spin on Physics or Chemistry..... :-)

Actually, I have to respectfully disagree. I have observed liberal physical science teachers do it frequently. On the plus side, I did have a Physics professor (in the 90's no less!) who had a bumper sticker on his wall that said "Nuclear Plants are Built Better than Jane Fonda." !

17 posted on 03/04/2008 5:36:06 AM PST by Elvina
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Sewanee is affiliated with the Episcopal church, right? Do they support the faction that is trying to stick to the traditional roots of the church? Just wondering. I was raised Episcopalian, but my family left it when they started going off in a non-Biblical, non-traditional direction. I am not that informed about what is going on now with the Episocpals, although I know there is quite a division within the church.


18 posted on 03/04/2008 6:17:35 AM PST by Elvina
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To: nicko

Spelling is an arbitrary convention that has nothing to do with education.


19 posted on 03/04/2008 6:18:25 AM PST by Rippin
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To: Elvina
We’re disenfranchised Episcopalians too and from what I understand is that the southern states are aggressively praying for schism like in Virginia.
20 posted on 03/04/2008 6:22:43 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Who would you rather appoint lifetime judges, Barack Hussein Obama or McQueeg?©®™)
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To: Kaslin
We were watching some news yesterday evening, and I really got ticked off. The McCain and other Republican is NOT allowed to campaign on the TAMU campus this year. There are plenty of Hussein and a number of Monica's ex boyfriend's wife staffers allowed, but not one Republican.
21 posted on 03/04/2008 6:27:13 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Both dim candidates promise change and/or hope. I don't think the USA can afford their message.)
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To: cinives
You still have to take 2 years of “distribution” courses for any degree.
Not at the engineering college I went to.
22 posted on 03/04/2008 6:28:12 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ

OK, a solely technical engineering school like Stevenson will not, but any university will. Even MIT and CalTech require a few humanity courses.


23 posted on 03/04/2008 6:34:13 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Kaslin

My daughter is a freshman at the University of Dallas and i am very comfortable with the answers to those questions in re; U of Dallas.


24 posted on 03/04/2008 6:36:16 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: Rippin

well, I had to do a little research on this, and yes, I agree...all the more reason to join the military...


25 posted on 03/04/2008 7:21:31 AM PST by nicko (CW3 (ret.) CPT, you need to just unass the AO; I know what I'm doing- Major, you're on your own.)
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To: iowamark

You asked: “34 thousand per year is a “relative bargain”?”

Wheaton $32,134.00
Westmont $42,848.00
Oberlin $44,954.00

Source: OCAN college cost database

By “relative bargain”, I mean: compared to similar schools. I didn’t say it was cheap. Wheaton is highly worth doing, for anyone so inclined.


26 posted on 03/04/2008 8:35:05 AM PST by Migraine (...diversity is great... until it happens to YOU...)
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To: nicko

I’m for joining the military, that’s for sure.


27 posted on 03/04/2008 9:12:38 AM PST by Rippin
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To: Kaslin
Does the college honor narcissistic liberals like Martin Sheen?
28 posted on 03/04/2008 9:20:02 AM PST by JZelle
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To: Migraine

I’ll admit that when talking about college bargains in 2008, everything is relative.


29 posted on 03/04/2008 2:42:13 PM PST by iowamark
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To: Elvina
We are planning on Hillsdale, but Wheaton sounds good also.

Don't forget Grove_City_College>"Grove City College. It's just as good as Wheaton and Hillsdale but cheaper. It passes all the questions asked in this article with flying colors.
30 posted on 03/04/2008 5:01:43 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks, I didn’t know about Grove City College. Our oldest is just starting high school next year, but we are getting started early on our research. There was another good link within the one you posted:

http://encarta.msn.com/college_article_ConservativeColleges/Top_10_Politically_Conservative_Colleges.html


31 posted on 03/05/2008 4:41:27 AM PST by Elvina
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