Posted on 03/01/2008 2:40:50 PM PST by blam
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I take 1,000 mg daily. When I take significantly less, my gums become painful and bleed. At 1,000 mg I have perfect results from my gum tests at the dentist. Recently, I've had trouble shaking a sinus infection. I doubled the vitamin C to 2,000 mg for a few days. The sinus infection cleared up. No trips to the doctor to be infected with all manner of other stuff floating around the waiting room.
Mark & pinging me
True enough. Drs found that my family can't even get everything we need from supplements. We needs shots thanks to defective guts. (Celiac disease. Even after getting off gluten, our digestive systems didn't straighten out.) One point I try to "drum beat" is that one can't assume their supplements are working. If you have any health problems, get a nutrition panel done. We're finally doing alright with zinc with just a simple brand switch. But Vitamin B-1 still eludes us. The *only* way many members of my family can get Vitamin D is with sunlight.
In the beginning I wondered if we needed more or if the low blood levels were because we were using it all up. However, after starting the shots, the B came up. We're still fighting to get enough D. Only my son got the required sun last summer.
Hey ignoramus, you must be a vitamin pusher. That's complete BS. I notice that you don't link to any studies, since there aren't any legitimate studies to post.
It is possible that science may be backward on a lot of issues. Most scientific advances come about when a new theory disproves an old one. It is my belief that the human race is headed for a day of reckoning at some point in the future. All the vaccines, more medicine, improved sanitation, improved quality of our food, etc. have led to more people surviving and reproducing than at any time in the past. Prior to the 1700's, most people died before the age of 14 from disease or malnutrition and those who survived generally lived out the rest of their lives (which was still a great deal shorter than it is now!) in good health. Thus my belief that mankind in general is less fit than our ancestors due to less hardy individuals passing on their less hardy generic material.
Your speculation that anti-oxidants are doing more harm than good by eliminating a protective mechanism is interesting. I encourage you to research it further and share your findings with us!
If I were to adopt your own argumentative style of posting, with which you called me a ‘vitamin pusher’ because I think taking vitamin supplements are good, I would paint you with your own broad brush and call you a vitamin hater. Why he hell are you so upset someone is FOR taking vitamins because food today is less nutritious than it was years ago? You attack me and call me ‘ignorant’ for THAT? I believe it is YOU who is the ignorant simp.
If you care to hunt down some real research, you can find a number of articles from a number of different sources on studies by a number of different scientists about seeing measured decreases of certain beneficial vitamins and minerals in our crops. I figured someone with half a brain could find them on their own, but I didn’t count on someone with 1/4 of a brain, so for your benefit, I will post a few.
Fruits, vegetables not as nutritious as 50 years ago
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/health/261163_veggie01.html
Vegetables were healthier 50 years ago
http://consumerist.com/consumer/nutrition/vegetables-were-healthier-fifty-years-ago-274034.php
New Study: Industrial Agriculture Crops Are Far Less Nutritious Than Organic Crops
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_7044.cfm
Is Modern Food Still Your Best Medicine? by Maurice McKeown, BDS, PhD
http://www.yourhealthbase.com/foodandmedicine.htm
Have a nice day, and feel free to leave your troll post at Democrat Underground and post here again.
you see this?
No, but I’ve heard this before. Many years ago.
thanks, bfl
"For the ignorant guy who said to get your vitamins from your food, you won't get any from processed foods. The natural fruits and veggies we have in the market now are steadily losing vitamins compared to what they used to contain 20, 30, and 50 years ago due to depletion of the soils. They have been studied and measured. You cannot get the necessary healthy amounts of vitamins from food alone anymore." -SecretAgentMan
I don't care if you take vitamins or not but you were the first one to sling mud & start calling people ignorant. How does it feel?
If you have a good argument, fine. But you don't. You just have your anger and your crackpot websites.
From a typical REAL scientific study:
"A two-tailed t-test analysis showed a significantly higher concentration of phylloquinone in frozen spinach that had been boiled or microwaved as compared to frozen spinach that was not cooked (P = 0.01).
"Tomatoes are typically low in phylloquinone; however, the amount of phylloquinone in the food increased as tomato products became increasingly concentrated (decreasing water content). Of those tomato products analyzed, tomato paste was the most concentrated tomato product"
So much for the "processed and frozen food has no nutrient value" argument.
From: The Natural Food Hub (www.naturalhub.com):
"Only some of the wild fruits that were all around our ancestors have been domesticated. So the number of species available to us now is less - at first glance. But because commerce provides us with fruit from all the continents of the world, our actual daily possible selection range is probably as good as was available to our ancestors. And the fruits we now have available have much fewer unpleasant tannins and glycosides than some of the wild fruits. The fleshy part is larger, and the seediness in some cases reduced or eliminated."
"Most people in the West today do not eat enough fruit and vegetables for good health. Those who eat a natural diet, particularly if they have additional supplies from their home orchard, get more than enough, and may need to limit their fruit consumption. But today, such circumstances apply to only the tiniest minority."
From: http://www.online-ambulance.com/articles/doc/4/grp/Healthy/art/Fav_Vitamin.htm:
"Most people don't need to take vitamin supplements, but nearly 40% of American adults do anyway. Are supplements really necessary for good health, and what are vitamins?
"The body produces many of the chemicals it needs to maintain proper function. There are many compounds, however, that the body can't make including some amino acids and a few fatty acids. Vitamins are required in very small amounts. These compounds which the body can't make are provided by foods in the diet. Most foods generally contain at least one or more different vitamin."
"However, no food contains all the vitamins in the correct amounts required by the body. It is important to eat a wide variety of foods to insure an adequate intake of all the necessary nutrients."
"How much of the vitamins does a person need? The National Research Council establishes daily allowances for these necessary nutrients on the basis of recommendations made by scientists chosen for their research experience on vitamins in human metabolic studies.The allowances are set at a generous level to cover most healthy people's requirement with a reasonable margin of safety."
"Comparing these allowances against the nutrient composition of a typical varied diet demonstrates that adequate amounts of nutrients are provided by average amounts of food. A diet of fruits and vegetables, dairy products, enriched or whole grain products along with some meat or meat substitute should provide all the nutrients that a healthy person needs without having to take supplements.
"Self-prescribed, large doses of vitamins, however, can pose serious health risks. People with special health problems should check with their doctor about the need for vitamin tablets."
And finally, my personal favorite, from Quackwatch.com:
8. They Claim That Soil Depletion and the Use of Pesticides and "Chemical" Fertilizers Result in Food That Is Less Safe and Less Nourishing.
These claims are used to promote the sale of so-called "organically grown" foods. If an essential nutrient is missing from the soil, a plant simply doesn't grow. Chemical fertilizers counteract the effects of soil depletion. Quacks also lie when they claim that plants grown with natural fertilizers (such as manure) are nutritionally superior to those grown with synthetic fertilizers. Before they can use them, plants convert natural fertilizers into the same chemicals that synthetic fertilizers supply. The vitamin content of a food is determined by its genetic makeup. Fertilizers can influence the levels of certain minerals in plants, but this is not a significant factor in the American diet. The pesticide residue of our food supply is extremely small and poses no health threat to the consumer. Foods "certified" as "organic" are not safer or more nutritious than other foods. In fact, except for their high price, they are not significantly different.
10. They Charge That the Recommended Dietary Allowances (RDAs) Have Been Set Too Low.
The RDAs have been published by the National Research Council approximately every five years since 1943. They are defined as "the levels of intake of essential nutrients that, on the basis of scientific knowledge, are judged by the Food and Nutrition Board to be adequate to meet the known nutrient needs of practically all healthy persons." Neither the RDAs nor the Daily Values listed on food labels are "minimums" or "requirements." They are deliberately set higher than most people need. The reason quacks charge that the RDAs are too low is obvious: if you believe you need more than can be obtained from food, you are more likely to buy supplements.
So you can believe what you want, but next time you start spouting off and calling someone you don't know ignorant, expect a response you may not like.
'nuff said
You did not refute anything in those 50 year studies by different groups and different experts from different universities including the Agriculture Dept. scientists that record that today’s crops have lower amounts of vitamins and minerals in them. Or are you going to play the ‘all of my sources are bad’ and yours are all good game?
Y’know, don’t even respond. I don’t want ot hear from you again. I don’t waste my time talking to brick walls like you.
By the way, I'm done with you too.
I think some of the more recent studies allegedly debunking the use of various supplements might have been made by pharma partisans. I remember there was an enormous study in the ‘80s of thousands of physicians. Some took an aspirin and a beta carotene capsule, Others took 2 placebos or a combination of the real thing and a placebo. The death rate difference was so startling they stopped the study and told everyone taking one or two placebos to switch to taking both the real aspirin and the real beta carotene.
And oh — BTW — NYSE company NuSkin Enterprises (ticker symbol NUS) has 125 salaried PhD research scientists on staff, and another 120 consultants at universities around the world, working in nutrition, FWIW. That must be something like 20 or so times as many as the next largest nutrition company.
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