Posted on 03/01/2008 9:23:47 AM PST by neverdem
BELLEVUE, Wash., Feb. 25 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms today is calling on lawmakers in the states of Washington, Arizona, New York, Illinois, Hawaii and several other states to scrutinize legislation that would require ammunition coding, because it mandates a soul source monopoly for a Seattle-based company that owns the technology.
Based on a story in the new edition of Gun Week, and a look at virtually identical legislation that has been introduced in several states, CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb said there are serious questions that need to be addressed about these measures, and the effort to pass them into law.
"Sponsors of bills that would require coding of cartridge casings and bullets in their respective states have neglected to mention that there is only one company in the country with the technology, and that company has been working with a 'hired-gun' consulting firm that offers its help to lawmakers drafting the legislation," Gottlieb said. "Essentially, you have state legislators working as promoters for a company called Ammunition Coding System, pushing measures in at least ten states that would mandate the use of this proprietary technology at the expense of gun owners.
"Even if the technology were licensed to various ammunition manufacturers," he continued, "it still puts one company in a monopoly position. On its own website, the company even acknowledges that legislation would be required to implement what many gun owners believe is a back-door gun registry, by forcing dealers to keep records on who purchases ammunition.
"Creating a technology, and applying for a patent while hiring a consulting firm to push legislation that requires this technology is horribly self-serving," Gottlieb added. "The fact that in every state these measures are being pushed, the sponsors are anti-gun lawmakers, simply adds to the suspicion.
"Giving one company a legislated monopoly in any other area would bring down a media firestorm," Gottlieb stated. "The government would never allow it. State senators, representatives or assemblymen who get involved with this effort should ask themselves just what it's worth to essentially be lobbyists for a monopoly."
With more than 650,000 members and supporters nationwide, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (http://www.ccrkba.org/) is one of the nation's premier gun rights organizations. As a non-profit organization, the Citizens Committee is dedicated to preserving firearms freedoms through active lobbying of elected officials and facilitating grass-roots organization of gun rights activists in local communities throughout the United States.
I always said that we will know the end of America when they take the guns. We are still hanging on by a thread.
[. . .mandates a soul source monopoly. . .]
If it’s a “soul source” it should be located in Motown.
A back door registration scheme deserves redundant pings.
Look into NAIS chips for ALL out critters- Same problem- Verichip has the technology that has been “approved”.
Already heard that horses that have been chipped are having nerve damage in their necks. Won’t do it to mine.
Weak defense. This is akin to saying, “I’m OK with the execution, but would like a choice in who pulls the lever”...
Surely not in MY America!
course, is hasn't been mine for a very long time.
Very interesting.
The company that holds the patent....Ravensforge LLC is located in the same building, same subsection as Ammunition Coding Systems.
Russell Ford and Steven Mace are listed as the inventors.
Russell Ford was recent on Cam and Company.
Steven Mace is a moderator at The Guns Network LLC.
Gee, I would be willing to bet that coded ammo will blow just as big of a hole in a traitor as uncoded ammo.
I betcha a buck it will.
These fascists must be stopped. Our children’s future is at stake.
Everyone needs to donate to the PRO 2nd organization of your choice and raise HELL with your reps about this.
Mr Xerox had the same problem...
Dead animals rot from within.
Redundancy is the keyword in these times, buddy.
Has CCRKBA done anything other than just talk?
I use revolvers. They don’t routinely eject shell casings.
Having said that, if you use common designs such as 1911 pistols, there are wonderful drop in barrels to get around the registered barrel.
Criminals don’t register. Legally to require them to do so would be self incrimination. If criminals obeyed the law, they wouldn’t be criminals, rather they would be lawyers or politicians.
I looked this up on the legislature’s site and it says the bill “died in committee” Feb. 19. It will probably be revived at some point.
“I use revolvers. They don’t routinely eject shell casings.”
Discussions of the bills that I have seen include the inscription of the identifying number on the *base* of each bullet.
This is in part, banning by economics. If you increase the cost of each .22 cartridge from 3 cents to 13 cents, it will cut down on a lot of training time and instruction of children.
It will have virtually no effect on crime, but, hey, that was never the main objective.
Uh, please be kind enouh to explain to me the "difference"?
It just makes you wonder!
Semper Fi
An Old Man
In addition to, the unintended conquences of more stolen ammo.
It would be nice to know so we can boycott anything else they are associated with, not to mention express our disdain.
CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb also runs http://www.saf.org/, IMHO.
The Second Amendment Foundation worked with the NRA on the Katrina gun grab and other folks as well. SAF appears to be pretty active.
Nice catch!
See comment# 9.
Not a single round. When the manufacturers warehouses are full and their bank accounts are empty this krap will vanish.
Ahhhh, the almighty dollar...
Sounds more like an installation problem, ie. the vet or vet tech messed up, than anything to do with the chip itself. The chip is inert, except when queried by an appropriate RF source. They don't have batteries.
Our Mutt has one, has for about 2 years now, and I can't see that it's done him any harm.
But they do shoot bullets, I would hope. The article says that both the bullets and the casings would be marked.
Ammunition marking requires ammunition registration. They have to know who bought which sequence numbers of bullets.
Of course the vast majority, by a huge margin, of ammunition will never be fired at anything but paper or steel. But they want you to pay for the technology on every lead or FMJ round you put downrange.
They can go to Hell.
What would you suggest? I guess a recall petition drive might be a possibility. The courts won't hear a case on a proposed law, and rarely on passed laws until someone breaks them. Unless it's a law against defacing the flag or some other protected "speech".
The current Heller case is an exception of sorts, although not completely. Heller was the only one the DC circuit ruled had "standing" since he was denied a permit to have a pistol in his home. The others had not been able to show sufficient "injury" to have standing. The Supreme Court has not, AFAIK, acted on their appeal of that ruling.
Along with said manufacturers. The remaining ones will only sell to the military and police agencies, whose ammo need not be coded.
I have a few rounds to go to before I need use a coded one.
And I guess they are banning lead too, to keep people from making their own bullets?
They'll just make it a federal felony to us uncoded bullets. Remember the point is NOT to prevent criminal misuse, but rather to price shooting out of range of the peons.
OTOH, if you are going to become a felon anyway, wouldn't you want to make each round count?
What about buying reloaded ammo at a shooting range and then saving part of it.
Then later trading that saved ammo to someone for a different caliber.
NOw, how do they track that?
John McCain benefits. No conservative would vote for him if it weren't for all the liberal bogeymen behind every lamp post. The goal of the liberal bogeymen isn't to actually pass the radical stuff they're pushing--at least not in the short term--but rather to convince RINOs they can run leftward, and convince voters they should support the RINOs anyway.
I agree. The libs are constantly negotiating from demands which exceed their short term goals, but which indicate their eventual aims. While they realize that most of the time they will not accomplish their long term goals in one fell swoop, they use the extremity of that position to negotiate a "reasonable" compromise somewhere in between, with a net gain for their agenda.
Sadly, when a Conservative suggests a return to a Constitutionally limited Federal Government, or the repeal of firearms laws back to the NFA of '34, they are thrown under the bus by the Republican party, and their positions are not used to bargain back toward conservative government.
Republicans have been particularly stupid in this regard, and consistently have left themselves in a position to cede more of our rights as a result. I cannot believe such stupidity, especially among businessmen who understand the fundamentals of negotiation, is an accident.
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