.44 mag on left and .357 mag on right.
Posted on 02/29/2008 5:32:07 AM PST by OKSooner
A safety alert put out by the Atlanta Police Department's homeland security unit, warns officers to be extra careful because of the ammunition.
Brian Hill with Tulsa's U.S. Shooting Academy agreed to help test the ammunition.
The ad for the ammunition says it shoots dozens of steel darts that cause unbelievable trauma.
Police are facing a deadly new threat. It's a new type of ammunition that can penetrate a bullet-proof vest. News On 6 crime reporter Lori Fullbright found anyone can buy it.
A safety alert put out by the Atlanta Police Department's homeland security unit, warns officers to be extra careful because of the ammunition.
Brian Hill with Tulsa's U.S. Shooting Academy agreed to help test the ammunition.
The academy teaches everything from basic self-defense to highly specialized weapons training to citizens, police officers and the military.
A police vest was put on a dummy and Hill took a couple of shots.
It could be seen that the vest was penetrated all the way through.
The ad for the ammunition says it shoots dozens of steel darts that cause unbelievable trauma.
Hill says NATO would not allow the military to use something like this, because although it can kill, it's intended to maim. He says to get self-protection, there are much better choices.
"If stopping an intruder in your home is your goal, this isn't the first or second ammo you should choose, its way down the list," said Hill.
The results were shown to tactical expert Sergeant Luke Sherman with the Tulsa Police Department.
Sergeant Sherman says officers worry more about seeing a gun than what ammunition is inside, but it's still hard to understand, marketing something that penetrates a vest.
"Millions of Americans have firearms and are always experimenting with new things. Maybe it was somebody's idea to market something that will be neat down the road, but, to me, it's not," said Sergeant Sherman.
One of the shells contains a dozen steel darts, just as advertised.
Hill shot the vest with a .40-caliber firearm. The bullet did not penetrate the 15-year-old vest.
The ammunition is legal, it's just a reminder the dangerous new threats police officers constantly face.
One sergeant recently briefed his squad on this new ammunition, just to make them aware it exists.
I thought it already was illegal to sell any handgun ammo that would penetrate body armor?
The copy reads like it was written by an eighth-grader.
Wow they outlawed 22 while I was sleeping?
I did too. Remeber the black talon/black widow rounds? AKA Cop Killers?
It’s a 12ga flechette round, been around for years, used by military in Nam for snipers in trees. Flechettes spread but penetrate foliage well.
Thanks Brian.
I reckon I'll stay with my 870 loaded with 00Buck, and aim just below the head.
Wouldn't want to hurt anyone with darts.
Gee Lori, this is just horrible.
But why didn’t you tell us who makes this ammo and in what calibers.
Oh, and just to make sure the readers don’t miss the point, let me stress one more time... “The ad for the ammunition says it shoots dozens of steel darts that cause unbelievable trauma.”
Poor baby. No doubt a victim of the Imperial Federal Schools System.
There was a thread about them on FR a year or so back. Very impressive results with these!
.44 mag on left and .357 mag on right.
“DON’T PENETRATE ME, BRO’!”
BWAHAHAHA
I get sooo sick of hearing about threats to the police. They're a lot safer in their jobs than a lot of other professions. Often police work doesn't even make the top ten for dangerous professions, and is always beaten by construction work, landscape work, truck driving, commercial fishing, and electrical work, just to name the few I can remember.
Further who cares? Why should threats to police be any more worrysome than threats to anyone else? Is somehow the death of a convenience store clerk or a cab driver less important than the death of a cop? Do they mean less to their families? Are they second class citizens because they aren't government minions?
I once did the statistics for police work vs an ordinary citizen on both Baltimore and Detroit. It turned out that you had a higher chance of getting murdered if you weren't a cop in both of these places. So for at least Detroit and Baltimore police work was safer than being an average citizen.
What’s it called?
I need to BLOAT some of that to add to my Black Talon collection...
I really hate those sweeps months reports.
They just don't have enough roofing shows on teevee.
Did you ever live in a house without a roof?
“The ammunition is legal...”
Second to last sentence. So try to ban it, you Nanny Staters. The Bad Guys will still have it.
It is amazing that no tests have been conducted, and all of the claims that this ammo will do is strictly conjecture> Kind of reminds me of when this company made a handgun ammo that claimed to pierce bullet proof vests, and anti gun Schumer immediately introduced a Senate Bill to out law the ammo. In the end, the ammo was a joke, it never existed! By the way, the law outlawing the ammo is still on the books.
First scare the hell out of everyone, get the public on board against the “cop killing ammo” then when the legislature outlaws it, the public doesn’t care.
Boil that frog a little at a time, never all at once, it will jump out of the pan.
A safety alert put out by the Atlanta Police Department's homeland security unit, warns officers to be extra careful because of the ammunition.
Some of those "safety alerts" used to convince me that some brass had nothing better to do than issue useless safety alerts.
Yeh, but the "NEWS" of it is good for the anti-gun folks......
Hell, they had to knock over the QuickMart clerks and fishermen just to get a piece of the action.
What about pizza delivers? Now that’s a dangerous job!
Okay, that is funny! I googled your sourse...LOL
And then I Googled your sourCe. Both were funny.
Yeah I do remember, but what does this BS have to do with the FACT that police work isn't particularly dangerous? Refresh my memory how many cops were killed then? As I remember only the criminals died. Or am I confusing that with the Columbine school massacre where the swat heroes rushed in under fire taking casualties to save the wounded. Oh wait, never mind, the victims bled out while the cops waited until it was safe.
Also, remember the carjacking in Atlanta year before last? The one where the woman was killed and the car jacker was stopped by an ordinary citizen with a gun?
Tell me how did you get addicted to the taste of boot polish?
Ping!
...And one more bump just because this is the most POORLY written news story I have ever read... Right up there with Scarmable Colorado Inbound Peace Activists, etc.
Idiotic, even for you.
“Remember that shootout after the bank robbery in LA?
Yeah I do remember, but what does this BS have to do with the FACT that police work isn’t particularly dangerous? Refresh my memory how many cops were killed then? As I remember only the criminals died. Or am I confusing that with the Columbine school massacre where the swat heroes rushed in under fire taking casualties to save the wounded. Oh wait, never mind, the victims bled out while the cops waited until it was safe.
Also, remember the carjacking in Atlanta year before last? The one where the woman was killed and the car jacker was stopped by an ordinary citizen with a gun?
Tell me how did you get addicted to the taste of boot polish?”
Very well said ga.
James in West Ga.
***The ad for the ammunition says it shoots dozens of steel darts that cause unbelievable trauma. ***
Too late! This ammo has been around since the early 1960’s! If you reload .12 Guage, just fill it with finishing nails instead of lead shot.
I can’t say that I really remember you from other threads. But apparently you’re one of those jackboot licking statists who for some reason is too stupid to realize that DU is their true home and keeps posting here.
Lastly, I am somewhat dubious about the amount of energy in the components of a disbursed projectile. There is only so much energy in total that a powder charge can impart. Multiple projectiles must share that energy. A three-dart “bullet” would only impart 1/3 of the total energy on each dart. Why would such a dart have superior penetrating ability as compared to a single bullet carrying the total energy of the powder charge?
Thanks!. It appears that New Yorkers (and who but a New Yorker would blatantly play the 911 card even in his/her handle) just don’t get it.
I believe they were also in 105 shells for wave attacks.
beehive round
It depends where you live. It was legal in one state I lived it, but not in another that I moved to. Of course, it was legal for the military and police to have it. Big fear was that it might penetrate a protective vest. Not sure if it was ever tested...
And during the 1992 LA riots you had Korean convenience store owners on top of their businesses with rifles holding off the mobs, after the cops were seen on TV running away like frightened schoolgirls
We could have used a few of those storeowners in NYC during the Crown Heights riots, when the NYC police dutifully obeyed Mayor Dinkins desire for them to show "restraint" towards the rioters
I think I'm gonna cry...as a citizen of the un-vested masses...
The flechette is a hard, sharp steel dart, imparting its penetrating energy into a very tiny area.
Yep, cops follow orders as does the military. That doesn’t mean they liked it.
“No doubt a victim of the Imperial Federal Schools System.”
(sounds like a line from Clockwork Orange).
Don’t you just love the anti New York bias in here.
A little off subject but I hate the term “Homeland”. It make me think of apartheid and Nazi’s.
When you start seeing cities like Atlanta naming departments “Homeland Security” you know it’s just pure BS. Orwell would love Bush.
After reading your post I believe there may be hope for FR yet, as someone else said “I like the way you think”.
LOL Yes I do! But for the most liberal state in the union is the bias unreasonable?
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