Posted on 02/28/2008 8:34:27 PM PST by levotb
WARNING TO CONSERVATIVES!!! When the AP quotes Open Borders moll Tamar Jacoby, Arlen Specter, RINO/Bushie/McCainite Charlie Black as saying McCain is "looking strong" or good on immigration" and no conservatives or anti-Invasion advocates or experts are quoted in the [following] story, you know the fix is in! McCain is on a major media effort to try to make conservatives like him enough to vote for him and he knows he's in deep trouble. So he's going to try to pull the wool over our eyes by saying he's going to get tough on the Border--if elected. What he WON'T discuss and what this [idiot] writer conveniently didn't ask McCain was, "What do you plan on doing about the 30-40 million illegals in the U.S. now?" What this [idiot] writer also refused to ask McCain or these hack RINO McCainites was "Hasn't [McCain] said only that he wants to rid the country of illegal alien GANG MEMBERS, est. at 125,000-200,000...and not the 30-40 million illegals [who are] not affiliated with gangs?"
Talk about a puff piece on McCain! Here it is, folks: ******************************************************** McCain Retools Immigration Stance By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS Associated Press February 28, 2008
WASHINGTON (AP) -- John McCain faces a dilemma on immigration as he works to persuade conservatives he's tough enough on the issue without erasing his historic appeal to Hispanic voters. Once a crusader for offering the nation's roughly 12 million undocumented immigrants a way to get legal status, McCain now says his first priority is fortifying U.S. borders.
The metamorphosis reflects McCain's intensifying effort to consolidate his support among conservatives, who deride the Arizona senator's past proposals on immigration as offering amnesty to lawbreakers, and bitterly resent his work with Democrats, including Sen. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts, on the issue.
Coming off a primary season where his immigration stance was seen as a major liability and GOP opponents hammered him for having an overly permissive approach, McCain is remaking his image with an eye toward the general election.
If he goes too far in the other direction, though, he could alienate the Hispanic voters who he's counting on to siphon support from a Democratic rival in states like Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, and to be competitive in California.
''He's focusing on enforcement, and in this community, enforcement means deportation, and that means separating more families, and more racial profiling and more of the incredible hardship that is affecting not just immigrants, but native-born Latinos,'' said Cecilia Munoz of the National Council of La Raza.
McCain infuriated the Republican base when he teamed with GOP moderates like Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa. and Democrats led by Kennedy in 2006 to push legislation -- with strong backing from President Bush -- that would have given illegal immigrants a path to citizenship. That measure died after the House, then dominated by conservatives, passed a bill that dealt only with border security and refused to consider provisions to address undocumented workers who are already in the United States.
The bipartisan group tried again last year -- but this time, McCain kept his distance from the negotiations as he campaigned for president. He rarely showed up for the marathon round of meetings where the plan was shaped and seldom spoke publicly on the effort until a deal had been cut.
That bill, too, ultimately died in the Senate after being branded as amnesty by conservatives and condemned as too punitive by liberals.
Listen to McCain's speeches or look on his campaign web site now, and there's little mention of the fight to give illegal immigrants a way to stay in the U.S. lawfully. He instead emphasizes border security -- the catch phrase of conservatives who scorned his earlier proposals.
It's a difference of emphasis, not a change in stance, Republican strategists say.
''He's in an excellent place with conservatives who are concerned about immigration, because his position -- that he'll secure the border first and have that security certified by the border-state governors, and then we'll go back and deal with the 12 million -- seems to have satisfied most people,'' said Charlie Black, a McCain adviser.
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''He says, 'Look, we got the message -- the American people do not trust us when we say we'll secure the border,''' Black added.
McCain told congressional Republicans in a closed-door meeting recently that he had been badly bruised by his push for immigration reform and had learned the hard way that sealing the border should be his priority.
Republicans who support McCain say he has no choice but to abandon his past approach on immigration in favor of one that causes less consternation among conservatives virulently opposed to providing undocumented people with legal status.
''What kind of an idiot can't figure out the route that you took didn't work? You don't keep charging the center line when you're getting your head bashed in, and John was on this,'' said former Sen. Trent Lott, R- Miss.
Persuading Republicans that he can be trusted on immigration has been a slow process for McCain, and it's not over yet, Lott added. ''I don't know if they're happy yet, but they'll get happier.''
Specter predicted that immigration, a main theme of the Republican primaries, wouldn't have much influence on the broader presidential race, and that GOP voters -- even those angry about McCain's immigration stance -- ultimately will turn out to support him.
''I think conservatives will, because the alternative of either Senator Obama or Senator Clinton will persuade Republicans of all political views to support McCain,'' Specter said.
Tamar Jacoby, who has worked with McCain on immigration overhaul efforts, said he has positioned himself well on the issue, taking the get-tough stance the party faithful espouse while stopping short of repudiating a broader solution that could address the legal status of those who are already here illegally.
''McCain is promising conservatives to do what conservatives most want done, which is to secure the border. Does that mean he will never go further than that to rationalize the system? No, but he doesn't have to say that,'' said Jacoby, the president of ImmigrationWorks USA, a coalition pushing for a broad overhaul.
McCain has won re-election in Arizona with large majorities of Latino voters. He has drawn backing from 45 percent of Hispanic Republicans this year -- slightly better than the 39 percent support he got from whites -- according to exit polls from 22 states that have held Republican primaries.
Only one in five Republicans name illegal immigration as the country's top problem, half the number who name the economy but about the same proportion as those who named Iraq. But fewer than three in 10 of those have voted for McCain this year, his worst showing based on issues that concern GOP voters.
''He is obviously aware of where the base is on this issue,'' said Sara Taylor, a former top political aide to Bush. ''His challenge is bridging a communications gap that the base perceives they have with him.''
At the same time, Taylor said, McCain's position on immigration has a silver lining for Republicans: ''His stance and the way he's communicated it potentially puts a state like California in play.''
Hispanic voters there and elsewhere, though, are listening with concern to the same change in tone that has gained McCain points with the GOP base.
''His rhetoric has absolutely shifted, and people have noticed,'' said Munoz of La Raza, ''He's going to have to figure out a way to talk to this community.''
That’s why I initially liked Hunter. What a waste. Maybe he will grow into it. One can always hope.
Who’s he trying to fool? Does he think we conservatives don’t have a thing called ‘memory’? Does he think we forgot that he and Ted Kennedy tried to cram their Shamnesty bill down our throats?
“My friends, we will close that border, like I promised. We just don’t have the money to do it right now, my friends. And, the millions that are already here? Well, my friends, we can’t deport them - you know. One of them might be a soldier’s mama. So, my friends - you had all better learn to speak the new official language of this country: Spanish.”
Charlie Black is delusional.
Me: “I now support John McCain for President of the United States. He has proven that he is tough on the border issues and will stand up for the rights of LEGAL American citizens and those that are ILLEGAL will be dealt with according to the laws of this land.”
John McCain tomorrow: “I denounce the hateful rhetoric that has been spoken by Uptoolate. This campaign will not tolerate support from people such as these.”
NYT headline: “McCain’s Biggest Support Comes From The Left”
Given the announcement yesterday that the “virtual fence” is a failure and probably won’t be fixed and in place for three years I think it’s obvious that SITTING SENATOR McCain has no intention of closing the border.
Specter speaks from experience!! President Bush & the party campaigned for him. He won. He stabs the President & the party every chance he gets to thank them for the favor! (remind you of anyone whose name is John McCain)??
We might look stupid Mr Specter - but you might be in for a surprise this time.
The old line - conservatives have no place to go -- so they'll cave in - line up to vote like they always have.
Ever heard of the straw that broke the camel's back??
If not - stick around.
AMNESTY or a REAL fence ???
That is the question ....
Whether tis better to have a “pathway to citizenship” for the 30,000,000 illegal aliens, or to listen to the pleas of the American citizens...
“McCain Now Trying To Woo Conservatives By Talking “Border Security”
OMG what is next, Hillary waxing poetic on ethics? Bill giving speeches on the wonders of monogamy? Hussein giving speeches on the joys of living in a capitalistic society?
Build a wall and throw out the illegals. Is that so frigging hard to understand?
Little will change on border and illegal immigration control no matter who is elected, and that includes the “dream” candidates like Fred and Hunter. If you haven’t figured that out yet, you haven’t been paying attention.
Not that I like the guy much, but he does say now that the people have spoken and he gets it, we want our borders secured. That is how it should work, so maybe he does get it.
The "New American Pioneers" proclaimed in his book are the illegal alien invaders he urges to become settlers in the USA. Hernandez believes all Mexicans and Mexican-Americans in the USA should become dual citizens and consider themselves Mexicans first, "to the 8th generation." He believes there should be no border at all between Mexico and the USA, ever.
And this is the man McCain chose for his "Hispanic Outreach Director." In the past week McCain was asked about this choice, and he said he chose Hernandez because he agrees with his positions. If so, McCain is supporting invasion and reconquista.
Then I read our Constitution, Article 4 Section 4, where it says the federal government MUST protect the states from invasion, and I can only conclude one thing: John McCain is our new Benedict Arnold.
"In his own words: McCain’s radical Hispanic outreach director Juan Hernandez on youtube"
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/27/in-his-own-words-mccains-hispanic-outreach-director-preaches-open-borders/
No sale pal.
More pandering from an oportunist.
Really Juan? Wonder why that is? Could it be that you not only supported Open Borders and Amnesty, BUT were in fact spearheading this effort thru back-room deals in the middle of the night with one of your good buds, Ted "The Swimmer" Kennedy---the other being John "The Snake" Kerry.
And now, you've got one of the biggest Hispandering, pro-Mexican, Anti-American, poltroons (Juan Hernandez) working on your campaign. Gee, that really speaks volumes about your sincerity and objectives.
I remember one of your quotes not long ago, (paraphrasing) "Judge me by the company I keep."
Enough said???
And then what?
What a pitiful selection we have..........of the 3+ millions of people in this country, these are the only 3 we can come up with...?
I'm sick...(wishing Duncan Hunter were still viable!)
WARNING TO CONSERVATIVES!!! ... Open Borders moll ...RINO/Bushie/McCainite ... these hack RINO McCainites ...
I assume that isn't really a GOP website? lol.
Beautifully put, uptoolate!
Once they got La Raza and MS13, what do they need us for?
How do they do that? She admits McCain is not "where the base is on this issue" but somehow turns it around to being a "communication gap" perceived only by the base. Do these hacks go out of their way to insult the base or does it just come naturally? What an idiot.
At the same time, Taylor said, McCain's position on immigration has a silver lining for Republicans: "His stance and the way he's communicated it potentially puts a state like California in play."
Stupid and delusional.
I believe the check is in the mail before I believe anything McLame tells me.
And, that derisive criticism of McCain came from me, many many times, right here in F.R.
Now, I (grudgingly) support the man.
And, I'll get up early to be among the first in line to vote for McCain in November.
Anything less would be to ignore the bravery and sacrifice our our wonderful men and women in uniform.
(And, this Marine Dad and Dad-in-law has two (2) in Iraq right now.)
*(I decline to refer to anyone as thoroughly revolting as Edward Kennedy by the familiar term "Ted".)
I can’t believe we have to live through the next 8 months of McLame LYING to us while he runs down conservatives, takes the Democrat stand on the issues, tells us to go F ourselves, demands our votes and money, and then proves to by a hypocrite on everything he talks about.
All while he hands the election to Barak HUSSEIN (yes Freepers, I typed his middle name - up yours if you can’t handle politics) Obama the lightweight or Hillary the evil by being a blithering idiot.
I don’t get it. Everyone was demanding Fred run then didn’t vote for him because he didn’t eat some crappy pancakes in the freezing rain some morning in who-gives-a-crap Iowa.
We do we bother?
My goodness, McCain and his morons are truly lost. They are totally delusional as you point out. They are so arrogant they believe they’ll get all of the states Bush got in 2004 and only need a big blue one or two to really win.
They really think they’ll be viable in California? I think I’ll win the next Powerball and that’s more realistic.
As the person who is probably sitting the closest to the border, around 15 miles north from the San Diego - Mexico border on this thread, I reeeealy want the fence and fed up with the illegals.
But, I am voting for McCain as Obama is not an option.
Obama would not only cater to the Mexicans but every other third world country. Worse, Obama by pulling out of the war with the IslamOfascists would set us and the rest of the world up for total disaster.
The all around best person especially on the border issues was Duncan Hunter. Most of the people griping about McCain had their chance with Hunter but were to busy bashing him so here we are.
Forget what you’re seeing on the news or reading in the MSM. They need something to make up to keep their jobs.
As of now, McCain is on his way to a defeat that will approach Goldwater’s. Just accept the fact now that that slick-talking, empty-headed moron Obama is going to be president for four years, or until the impeachment, whichever comes first.
Don’t lose sleep over it. The elites that run the Republican party won’t. They will still be preening in the Senate, or accepting lavish rewards from their open borders sponsors at the Wall Street Journal or the Chamber of Commerce, and still be attending all those fancy Washington parties, or doing their $$$$ gigs on Fox, and still living in their million dollar homes in gated communities free of illegal alien flop houses. For them, life will always be good.
The quotes from these elites and insiders shows how out of touch they are with conservative voters. They actually think they are few, and insignificant, and they don’t need them. In November they are going to be in for a big surprise. And like in 2006, they will be blaming the voters, not the incompetent, arrogant candidate.
In November, vote for Senate and House and state conservatives, go out and have a nice dinner, and start preparing for 2012.
Right, he wants to woo us, the “BUILD THE FENCE”, deploy the National Guard along the border, punish “safe haven” sanctuary cities by removing tax dollars and punish employers who hire illegal aliens. Pledge to do the above and you will win in a landslide. By the way John, one more thing: fire the LaRazza/Mexico first guy you have heading up your “reaching out to Hispanics” department becuase he represents EVERYTHING conservatives despise when it comes to securing our borders.
Fire Juan Hernandez, that would be a good first step.
JUAN HERNANDEZ says “My friends” just as often as McCain only Juan says it with a sleezy smirk on his face as if to say we (illegals) are here to stay.
Juan Hernandez is an American citizen.
Wanna bet, Sen. Sphincter?
B.S. Most "native born Latinos" (aka. hispanic AMERICANS) support controlling illegal immigration. They don't want a flood of illegals lowering wages and taking their jobs. It's the self-styled "leaders" like La Raza that want as many illegals as possible to increase their power.
My opinion of what McShamnesty will do if elected.
He will work on securing the borders. He will do it slowly and grudgingly. He will always claim he’s making progress. He’ll show us the progress. But he will take years to do it.
After the borders are secure, the illegals here will be ignored. Amnesty will not be mentioned. However, incremental legislation will be implemented over the course of a decade. This legislation will give them privileges little by little until the mantra will become - “Well, they already got driver licenses, federal Id’s, social security payments, welfare ect... We may as well make them citizens”.
Defacto amnesty, they will just wait us out, spoon feed us until they get their way. Death from a thousand cuts strategy.
JMHO.
Sorry, SoCalPol, but that’s a pretty lame excuse for voting for McCain...How do you know he would be better against the terrorists than Obama? You don’t; nobody does. Fortunately for us, we won’t have to find out how McCain would have been as he isn’t about to be elected.
If you REALLY want to stop illegals from entering the U.S., you need to vote for your conservative Congressman, send money to Andy Ramirez’s org Friends of the Border Patrol, work as hard as you can to to elect conservatives in local elections—NOT RINOs!! Most importantly, if you’re N. of San Diego, you need to send money to Jeff Schwilk’s Minutemen of SD AND VOTE OUT THAT SCUMBAG SD MAYOR WHO’S ALLOWING THE McGONIGLE CANYON ILLEGAL ALIEN ENCAMPMENT TO BECOME A BROTHEL WHERE TEEN RAPE AND OTHER CRIMES ARE BEING COMMITTED EVERY DAY!!!
If you still want to vote for McCain, it’s a free country...
Juan Hernandez is an American citizen that ought to be tried for treason followed by immediate discharge of sentence.
Excellent post, oldbill!
I would only add, for those considering it, “start planning for 2012...and that would include a new, conservative-only (small tent) party.” Romney probably won’t run again as he knows now that his being a Mormon is what stopped him from being the nominee. That’s one thing he’ll never shed—his religion. So, who else is there? No one. Some conservative Congressman from So. Cal.? No such Congressman is going to want to go up against the Party leaders. As McCain is considered “the leader of the GOP” now, I highly doubt he’ll make it “easy” on any true conservative Congressman running for President. Remember what McCain did to Pat B. after that pitchfork “incident”. He personally destroyed Pat’s run just as Pat had won NH, Alaska and Louisianna. So, I wouldn’t wait for a GOP conservative who is truly outside of the RINO power elite to run in 2012.
LilRed
That might have worked prior to Jorge Boosh, but after nearly 8 years of him, the American people (except the RINOs, WSJ types and the Left) have had it with the Invaders! There isn’t the patience.
Besides, McLame will not win. If he had any class, which he doesn’t, he’d bow out and leave it up to the convention to pick a nominee. He hasn’t got the support of the base.
“Tamar Jacoby, who has worked with McCain on immigration overhaul efforts, said he has positioned himself well on the issue, taking the get-tough stance the party faithful espouse while stopping short of repudiating a broader solution that could address the legal status of those who are already here illegally.”
So, Juan McCain has Juan Hernandez on his staff for Hispanic Outreach, and consults with Tamar Jacoby to overhaul (pull the wool over eyes) his immigration position? He could not have sought the help of two more active open borders advocates. Anyone who falls for this little weasel’s double and triple-talk express on immigration has serious problems in perceiving reality.
Sen McCain greets supporters of border security.
Howzzit FRiend? Tonight I saw a clip on the news where the reporter described McCnutts as having a"senior moment".
The video shows McCain saying he was "... a strong conservative liberal Republican". He stammered and embarrassed by his Freudian slip tried to correct himself. The reporters were laughing at him.
Good to see you doing your part to get the word on the turd out there.
Regards
Yes...we adopt the culture of a third world cesspool like Mexico and wonder why the dollar is in a free fall ....
You got it. (Sorry to say).
Until I see John McCain out there driving post holes, I will not believe it.
He's thinks conservatives are scared to the point of soiling themselves and will shut up and do what they are told. He certainly doesn't think conservatives have any intelligence. And he certainly has no respect for conservatives.
If the election were held today, McCain would lose. What he does in the next 9 months better be very, very convincing.
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