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Grim Anniversary: Waco Siege [28 February 1993]
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Posted on 02/28/2008 6:04:08 AM PST by yankeedame

"Waco Siege, a fifty-one-day siege by federal
agents of the Branch Davidian religious group's commune
headquarters outside Waco, Texas, in early 1993. The
siege, which began after a botched and bloody attempt on
28 February 1993 to arrest the group's leader, David
Koresh, on a weapons charge, ended in the deaths of four
federal agents and seventy-eight Branch Davidians. The
stalemate ended when U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno
ordered the use of force on April 19. Soon after federal
agents moved, fire engulfed the compound, killing
seventy-two, provoking controversy over the use of force
in dealing with dissident sects. Although some surviving
members of the sect were acquitted of manslaughter, they
received harsh sentences when convicted on lesser
charges. In August 1999, new documents surfaced
indicating that the FBI had fired three flammable tear
gas canisters during the raid on the compound. Following
a ten-month investigation, Senator John C. Danforth
released a report concluding that although federal
agents had mishandled evidence, they had neither started
the fire nor improperly employed force."

-- US History Encyclopedia: Waco Siege


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; US: Texas
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"All murderers are punished unless they kill in large
numbers and to the sound of trumpets."
- Voltaire
1 posted on 02/28/2008 6:04:11 AM PST by yankeedame
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To: yankeedame

I’d forgotten that this is one of H!’s “accomplishments”.


2 posted on 02/28/2008 6:05:31 AM PST by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: yankeedame
It wasn’t a grim siege. It was a quagmire so they went for total annihilation.
3 posted on 02/28/2008 6:06:20 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: yankeedame

Why stage a gas attack on a windy day? Hmmm?


4 posted on 02/28/2008 6:06:27 AM PST by Loud Mime ("Life was better when cigarette companies could advertise and lawyers could not")
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To: yankeedame

I know I’m getting older but 1993 doesn’t seem like that long ago.


5 posted on 02/28/2008 6:06:52 AM PST by Slapshot68
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To: Loud Mime
Why stage a gas attack on a windy day? Hmmm?

Because the fire spreads better.

6 posted on 02/28/2008 6:08:41 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Especially when you vent the structure by knocking holes in key places.


7 posted on 02/28/2008 6:09:40 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
Years ago, at the recommendation of an ex-BATF agent I knew in California, I purchased and read the ATF's report on this fiasco.

Shall we say, it made for very interesting reading.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

8 posted on 02/28/2008 6:12:34 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: weegee

Bubba’s crowning achievement against “terrorism”.

The most ironic feature of this whole thing was the horrific revelation that the leader, David Koresh, was having sex with the younger female members of the klan. IMAGINE THAT!


9 posted on 02/28/2008 6:14:07 AM PST by Hillary'sMoralVoid (hey cannot co)
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To: yankeedame

I never realized that the first WTC bombing and the Waco siege were just two days apart.


10 posted on 02/28/2008 6:15:15 AM PST by jdm
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To: weegee
The boy’z in black were lookin for a lil payback after gettin it handed to’em on the initial entry attempt.

This massacre should have never happened.

11 posted on 02/28/2008 6:15:36 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: yankeedame
And the BATFE is still going strong harassing people with little to no over sight.

Looks like changing the occupant of the White House really didn't do us a lot of good. Looking at our options for November, it doesn't look good looking forward either...

12 posted on 02/28/2008 6:16:25 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: yankeedame

Minigunning the roof kind of helped the ventilation too.
More things happened at Waco and more parties were involved than we’ll probably ever know. May all the innocents who perished there rest in peace.


13 posted on 02/28/2008 6:17:47 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (Refusing to calm down since the Waco massacre.)
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To: yankeedame
And here I thought that Lidice was in Poland.
14 posted on 02/28/2008 6:18:08 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: yankeedame
Attorney General Janet Reno ordered the use of force

And refresh our memory, who provided it? In violation of what cherished principle in American law?

15 posted on 02/28/2008 6:20:27 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Six more days of Clinton II.)
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To: yankeedame

Grim statistic: Clinton pick Janet Reno was the worst and most corrupt AG in American history.


16 posted on 02/28/2008 6:21:32 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Joe Brower
I remember standing in the Second floor lounge of the barracks in Iwakuni Japan watching these buildings burn thinking, "Is this what I joined the Marine Corps to protect? WTF is going on here? This isn't right and there is not a damn thing I can do about it."

Still makes me sick that the criminals with badges who perpetrated this are still roaming around free.

17 posted on 02/28/2008 6:25:49 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse
I happened to be on I-35 that day, passing through Waco when the fire was started. I had the radio on, listening to a play by play---I pulled off to the side of the road and just sat there watching the smoke rise in the distance.

Many other cars were pulling off the road and stopping, too. It was probably the saddest moment of my life--knowing what our government was doing to these American citizens.

18 posted on 02/28/2008 6:31:06 AM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: Joe Brower

Is it generally available anywhere?


19 posted on 02/28/2008 6:32:03 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: yankeedame

So its gun charges now.

What happened to illegal drug manufacturing and child abuse?


20 posted on 02/28/2008 6:33:00 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: weegee
"It was a quagmire so they went for total annihilation."

Then quickly destroyed all physical evidence.

21 posted on 02/28/2008 6:33:35 AM PST by Designer
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
What happened to illegal drug manufacturing and child abuse?

Tossed out of court. Zero evidence of either. One of the "child brides" later was found to have been lying during initial testimony.

They were religious nuts and that was about it. Everything else was above board. For daring to think they could live their lives as they saw fit, the government killed them.

Same government we have today. EXACT same government. It's only a matter of time before it happens again...

22 posted on 02/28/2008 6:37:08 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: yankeedame
Note also that the final assault on 19 April 1993 occurred 50 years to the day after the final assault on the Warsaw Ghetto during the uprising there.
23 posted on 02/28/2008 6:41:17 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: All
Anyone have an update on the FBI's favorite hitman?

Just curious.

24 posted on 02/28/2008 6:45:35 AM PST by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: yankeedame

Grim??? That situation did not have to happen if David Wacko did not cause it in the first place.


25 posted on 02/28/2008 6:48:50 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

What did David “Wacko” (sic) do to cause it in the first place?


26 posted on 02/28/2008 6:50:08 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: pabianice

Grim statistic: Clinton pick Janet Reno was the worst and most corrupt AG in American history.

Most people here have been saying Alberto Gonzales was...who is right? Who is wrong? I really could care less personally as I am glad both are gone.


27 posted on 02/28/2008 6:50:56 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

I remember you.

You’re the guy who loves the idea of using the brute force of government to take money from some people to give to other people.


28 posted on 02/28/2008 6:51:11 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Charles Martel

He has only murdered one woman holding a baby?

Still, more than most of us.


29 posted on 02/28/2008 6:52:00 AM PST by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: napscoordinator

How many people did Alberto Gonzales burn alive?

How many people did Alberto Gonzales send back to Cuba to a life of slavery?


30 posted on 02/28/2008 6:52:25 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

I never really blamed the government for this. How long did we request for them to leave and they didn’t? We did not know if they had bombs and stuff of that nature. I think the government did the best it could with the information given. I guess I was too young to care or fully understand but I do know that they were given ample time to rectify the situation and they did not.


31 posted on 02/28/2008 6:55:23 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: jdm
I never realized that the first WTC bombing and the Waco siege were just two days apart.

Part of Clinton's 'wag the dog' distraction policy from his failure to recognize and fight the WOT.

32 posted on 02/28/2008 6:59:05 AM PST by JPJones (Democracy is the road to Socialism=Karl Marx)
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To: napscoordinator
You don't blame the government for machine-gunning the building as they walked up to the front door?

Why should the Davidians leave? They hadn't done anything wrong.

We did not know if they had bombs and stuff of that nature?

That justifies killing them all, machine-gunning anyone who tried to get out of the back of the building on April 19?

You may have been too young to fully understand 15 years ago, but you're not too young now.

These were law-abiding American citizens MURDERED BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT.

33 posted on 02/28/2008 7:02:33 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: jdm
I never realized that the first WTC bombing and the Waco siege were just two days apart.

I never realized that Slick Willie needed a military media diversion so soon after he took office.

34 posted on 02/28/2008 7:03:03 AM PST by TYVets
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To: napscoordinator
I never really blamed the government for this.

Then you weren't paying attention...

35 posted on 02/28/2008 7:03:24 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: yankeedame
John Danforth lied: the Feds executed the Branch Davidians as they fled the burning buildings.

Film Review: The FLIR Project

I would be willing to rip the tape to mpg and post it on YouTube if is anybody is interested.

36 posted on 02/28/2008 7:04:28 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: napscoordinator
That situation did not have to happen if David Wacko did not cause it in the first place.

Da Komrade Я с вами. If that Wacko had not wanted to start a weird church and if he had either a lot more followers or a lot fewer followers then none of this would have happened. The nerve of that guy wanting to do something different. Well we showed him didn't we? Who the hell did he think he was trying to worship in a non-approved way?

37 posted on 02/28/2008 7:05:51 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: yankeedame

The shame of it all is that if they wanted to just arrest David Koresh this could have all been avoided. They are the ones that thought he was a whacko and knew the compound had weapons. They also knew he took regular trips to town.

Instead of inflaming the situation, why did they not simply arrest him in town on one of his visits? These bozos at the ATF wanted a confrontation, but they got more than they bargained for.


38 posted on 02/28/2008 7:06:22 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: yankeedame
I spent a couple hours in 2001 walking the grounds there...that particular sect of the Branch Davidians had some evil in it, but, they certainly did not deserve or warrant an attack of that scale by the US Government.
39 posted on 02/28/2008 7:07:26 AM PST by crazyhorse691 (The faithful will keep their heads down, their powder dry and hammer at the enemies flanks.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Gen Wesley Clarke wasn’t it ?


40 posted on 02/28/2008 7:14:30 AM PST by 1066AD
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To: napscoordinator
That situation did not have to happen if David Wacko did not cause it in the first place.

If they wanted to just arrest David Koresh they could have easily done that while he was in Waco.

Why did ATF bring a media bus to the compound the day they first showed up with the jack booted thugs?

41 posted on 02/28/2008 7:17:36 AM PST by TYVets
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To: yankeedame; PhilDragoo; devolve; potlatch; Fiddlstix; nicmarlo; y'all


42 posted on 02/28/2008 7:19:41 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: TYVets

Why did ATF bring a media bus to the compound the day they first showed up with the jack booted thugs?

Good question. Obviously I don’t know but I really didn’t think it made much impact on my life. I was annoyed it was on all the time and those people refused to come out of the building. It interrupted quite a few tv shows during that time. If I was in that building, I would have gone out and answer their questions. What were they hiding?????


43 posted on 02/28/2008 7:22:33 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: yankeedame; PhilDragoo; devolve; potlatch; Fiddlstix; nicmarlo; y'all

Dawg-gone it! Ah shoulda known a site like that would
Red-X their pics if posted off site! :(

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/3000/Janet-Reno—3291.jpg

There it is. Sorry ‘bout that.


44 posted on 02/28/2008 7:24:12 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: yankeedame

Sad to say, when it happened I must admit I believed a lot of the lies put out about how/why the incident occured.

After watching the incredible documentary Waco: Rules of Engagement, it became clear the the government’s story was built on one huge lie after another. They murdered those people in cold blood. Justice was never served against any of the murderers.

That documentary should be required viewing for every American as a wake-up call of what the U.S. government is capable of.


45 posted on 02/28/2008 7:24:25 AM PST by Ogie Oglethorpe (2nd Amendment - the reboot button on the U.S. Constitution)
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To: napscoordinator
That situation did not have to happen if David Wacko did not cause it in the first place.

You need to educate yourself first, then post.....otherwise you only make a fool out of yourself.

46 posted on 02/28/2008 7:26:00 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: yankeedame
It's SHOWTIME!!!
47 posted on 02/28/2008 7:28:43 AM PST by Sybeck1 (It's truly bad when your Savior in November is Judas Himself.)
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To: napscoordinator

They never produced a warrant that day.


48 posted on 02/28/2008 7:33:36 AM PST by Sybeck1 (It's truly bad when your Savior in November is Judas Himself.)
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To: Joe Brower; All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/901664/posts
Appointment with The Apocalypse- the Waco Files
various FR links | 04-28-03 | The Heavy Equipment Guy


49 posted on 02/28/2008 7:34:31 AM PST by backhoe (Just a Merry-Hearted Keyboard PirateBoy, plunderin’ his way across the WWW…)
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To: Charles Martel

Janet Reno is the Child Snatcher of the Millennium.
http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/educate/reno/index.html


50 posted on 02/28/2008 7:35:28 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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