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'Virtual Fence' Along Border To Be Delayed
Washington Post ^ | February 28, 2008 | Spencer S. Hsu

Posted on 02/28/2008 12:48:47 AM PST by kingattax

The Bush administration has scaled back plans to quickly build a "virtual fence" along the U.S.-Mexico border, delaying completion of the first phase of the project by at least three years and shifting away from a network of tower-mounted sensors and surveillance gear, federal officials said yesterday.

Technical problems discovered in a 28-mile pilot project south of Tucson prompted the change in plans, Department of Homeland Security officials and congressional auditors told a House subcommittee.

Though the department took over that initial stretch Friday from Boeing, authorities confirmed that Project 28, the initial deployment of the Secure Border Initiative network, did not work as planned or meet the needs of the U.S. Border Patrol.

The announcement marked a major setback for what President Bush in May 2006 called "the most technologically advanced border security initiative in American history." The virtual fence was to be a key component of his proposed overhaul of U.S. immigration policies, which died last year in the Senate.

Investigators for the Government Accountability Office had earlier warned that the effort was beset by both expected and unplanned difficulties. But yesterday, they disclosed new troubles that will require a redesign and said the first phase will not be completed until near the end of the next president's first term.

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.....the first phase will not be completed until near the end of the next president's first term.

the feds think we are really stupid and can't figure out that the govt has NO intention of ever securing the borders. give us a freakin break already

1 posted on 02/28/2008 12:48:48 AM PST by kingattax
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To: kingattax

Virtual Smertual...Give me the old fashioned double fence with a no-mans land in the middle.

How stupid do they think we are.


2 posted on 02/28/2008 12:53:13 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: kingattax

WTF, bring back about 30,000 of the troops we have in S. Korea and have them man the borders - north and south. This ain’t ‘virtual’ rocket science.


3 posted on 02/28/2008 12:57:25 AM PST by MarkT
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To: kingattax
The Bush administration has scaled back plans to quickly build a "virtual fence" along the U.S.-Mexico border, delaying completion of the first phase of the project by at least three years and shifting away from a network of tower-mounted sensors and surveillance gear,

The Bush administration just gave us the finger and the terrorists and illegal aliens a green light.

Damn Republicans.

4 posted on 02/28/2008 1:01:16 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: MarkT

That was a good idea too!
(Mine was the other one)


5 posted on 02/28/2008 1:02:08 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: kingattax

Virtual fence, virtual enforcement, which will go well with our virtual votes, and virtual campaign contributions.


6 posted on 02/28/2008 1:05:40 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: kingattax

Our 'Virtual Fence' is experiencing technical difficulties. Illegal aliens, please stand by. (Pretty please)

7 posted on 02/28/2008 1:07:30 AM PST by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: kingattax

Unbelievable incompetence. Just build a physical wall and be done with it. This is the government that’s supposed to run “universal health care” too? George Bush dropped the ball on a generation of Republican losses based on his failed immigration policy alone.


8 posted on 02/28/2008 1:19:25 AM PST by Azzurri
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To: kingattax
the feds think we are really stupid and can't figure out that the govt has NO intention of ever securing the borders. give us a freakin break already

Yup, I think that just about covers it.

9 posted on 02/28/2008 2:05:56 AM PST by NurdlyPeon (New tag line in progress.)
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To: Azzurri
"Unbelievable incompetence. Just build a physical wall and be done with it. This is the government that?s supposed to run ?universal health care? too? George Bush dropped the ball on a generation of Republican losses based on his failed immigration policy alone."

You are too kind. This looks like an all too competent rope a dope delaying tactic. Bush doesn't want the fence, Chertoff is his agent and apologist. If lots of taxpayer dollars get shoveled to contractors in this "failed" effort, so much the better. sarc/

10 posted on 02/28/2008 2:11:29 AM PST by Truth29
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To: kingattax

Words fail me...


11 posted on 02/28/2008 2:27:22 AM PST by JDoutrider (No 2nd Amendment... Know Tyranny)
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To: kingattax
...the first phase will not be completed until near the end of the next president's first term.

More likely canceled the first day of the next presidents term.

12 posted on 02/28/2008 2:46:00 AM PST by PogySailor (Murtha'd: To be attacked by a corrupt politician for doing your job.)
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To: kingattax

Virtual fence to go along with virtual reality,
What a crock of b.s.
Put up the damn wall, put the national guard there to guard it and get real.


13 posted on 02/28/2008 2:48:10 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: kingattax

‘Virtual Fence’ Along Border To Be Delayed.....

by the virtual US POTUS...jorge bush and his illegal loving administration.....

now more can come in and do the illegal killing car wrecks and go to flight schools!!!!!

what a compassionate conservative plan!!!


14 posted on 02/28/2008 3:17:20 AM PST by nyyankeefan
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To: kingattax

This is a “virtual project” that is only materializes for speeches and press releases.


15 posted on 02/28/2008 3:21:12 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Truthism Watch)
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To: kingattax
did not work as planned or meet the needs of the U.S. Border Patrol.

Ok Jorge, when does the tax payers get their money back from this boondoggle.

16 posted on 02/28/2008 3:48:38 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: kingattax
Gaaaaaaahhh!

But on a more positive note, the deployment of water coolers, tax ID kiosks and bus depots continues on schedule.

17 posted on 02/28/2008 3:49:07 AM PST by Sender (Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits.)
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To: kingattax

If there was real intent to comply with the responsibility to control our border, then an alternative would be put in place interim. There isn’t any interim alternative proposed that I see, therefore this is lip service once again.

We should all demand a physical fence be built. We need organize once again and pound our point home as we did last year regarding the Shamnesty Bill. Get attention to the fact THE PEOPLE WANT PROTECTION from the illegals rampant abuse of our Nation, and our resources.


18 posted on 02/28/2008 4:34:11 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch; Bosco; Tennessee Nana; pissant

bttt


19 posted on 02/28/2008 4:39:58 AM PST by Guenevere (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.)
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To: bcsco

ping


20 posted on 02/28/2008 4:41:41 AM PST by Guenevere (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.)
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To: kingattax

When it comes to protecting America , Bush has been a Virtual President , and specifically, “out to lunch”.

Or nonexistant.


21 posted on 02/28/2008 4:54:13 AM PST by chatham
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To: kingattax

So, how long does it take to deploy a razor wire barrier, say three or four layers high?


22 posted on 02/28/2008 5:04:41 AM PST by CPOSharky (Energy plan: Build refineries and nuke plants, drill for our oil, mine our coal.)
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To: kingattax

Designers must of forgot we’re switching to digital in 2009.


23 posted on 02/28/2008 5:21:28 AM PST by wolfcreek (Powers that be will lie like Clintons and spend like drunken McCains to push their Globalist agenda.)
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To: kingattax

Can’t be, I’ve seen FReepers and heard talk radio callers who have defended this candidate or that one from political attacks saying that there is no Republican opposition to this fence.

Of course it is plainly obvious but their political staffers make the argument again and again anyway.


24 posted on 02/28/2008 5:33:27 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: Azzurri

There should be no universal health care even considered until the illegal immigration is stopped cold in its tracks.

If we ended ALL social safety nets, how much would those who have “nothing” pay a coyote then to be smuggled across the border?

You earn what you are paid and nada mas. And no handouts for those who send their paycheck back home to Mexico.

This “system” wouldn’t look as good to migrant labor.


25 posted on 02/28/2008 5:37:03 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: BJungNan
Pretty stupid. They have out maneuvered us so far and all three of the candidates for President will not build the fence.
26 posted on 02/28/2008 5:39:39 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: Truth29

Buddy Kay Bailey has also done her part to take it off the table. And Jorge’s buddy prosecutor Johnny Sutton has done his part to crack down on border security.

These people really DO know each other, they aren’t just coincidental partners in a general idea.


27 posted on 02/28/2008 5:40:25 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: kingattax

So in a few more years, maybe we’ll have virtual security.


28 posted on 02/28/2008 5:43:50 AM PST by Sloth (If you took an oath to support & defend the U.S. Constitution, can you vote for its domestic enemy?)
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Boeing built and tested the fence before handing it over to the administration. Remember last week when it was announced the 'Virtual Fence' was ready?

While I believe the physical fence is what is needed along the border, there are areas where the terrain cannot support it.

If there is any questioning that needs to be done here, Boeing should be getting the questioning, from all of us, AND the administration.

29 posted on 02/28/2008 5:46:00 AM PST by Pistolshot (Remember, no matter how bad your life is, someone is watching and enjoying your suffering.)
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To: 3D-JOY; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; Angelwood; Apple Blossom; beandog; BillF; bmwcyle; ...
My short list ping.

We can hit a bullet with a bullet but we can't secure the border. So Sayeth the POTUS

30 posted on 02/28/2008 6:13:16 AM PST by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: BufordP

Yup, some folks will have armed protection and private air travel. The rest of us will have to suffer the consequences.


31 posted on 02/28/2008 6:22:23 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Democrat, a synonym for Traitor)
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To: mad_as_he$$
All three of the candidates for President will not build the fence.

That is the most provactive statement that can be uttered in this election cycle. It gets right to the point.

32 posted on 02/28/2008 6:35:09 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: kingattax
Memo To: Department of Homeland Security
Attn: Moron in Chief, aka Chertoff.
Re: Border Wall.

Dear Moron,

Hey you schmuck. Building a wall isn't Rocket Science.

Have a nice day asshat.

33 posted on 02/28/2008 6:42:26 AM PST by Condor51 (Vote for McInsane or Death by Ugga-Bugga? Decisions, decisions, decisions.)
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To: BufordP

From what I’m told by the several BP guys I’m acquainted with, the towers are relatively easy to take out.
So what if we see who did it? A cartel will pay them enough to make it worth their while to go shoot up or ram a tower. It has happened and will continue to happen.

How well are they monitored?
If they are well monitored, where are the numbers of agents able to respond to EVERY recorded incursion?
If they have sufficient numbers of agents then where are the internment camps and buses to ship them back?

The right answer is a wall. Not a 2-ply cyclone fence that can be driven through but a wall.
Not a continuous wall either, though it may feeeeeel good to think about uninterrupted fortification.
There needs to be a few breaks so that fluffy bunnies, bambi and little insects can traverse the border along with a few of the more optimistic criminals.
These breaks (debatable in number, location and size) would serve as a shutter-upper to the enviro-cultists and perform a valuable and age old military function of channeling the enemy to ground of your choosing.
Think it wouldn’t work? Ever play the lottery?


34 posted on 02/28/2008 6:47:59 AM PST by nerdwithamachinegun (All generalizations are wrong.)
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“the feds think we are really stupid and can’t figure out that the govt has NO intention of ever securing the borders.”

Exactly. If anyone thinks Obama or McCain will build it, I have a bridge to sell.


35 posted on 02/28/2008 6:48:04 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: kingattax
So, let me get this straight. DHS is now saying that it is not technologically feasible to build the "virtual fence" that Bush and Chertoff promised us would be just as good if not a better alternative than a real double chain-link fence. And now since the "virtual fence" can't be built because of these new technological issues, nothing's going to happen for three years?

They're all liars...


36 posted on 02/28/2008 6:56:49 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: nerdwithamachinegun

Yep. Seems to me they could start on a wall TODAY! “Virtual” my arse.


37 posted on 02/28/2008 6:56:58 AM PST by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: kingattax

Now if we could get those shock collars on all the illegals coming over the border.


38 posted on 02/28/2008 7:18:39 AM PST by bmwcyle (I am the watchman on the tower sounding the alarm.)
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To: kingattax

The Beltway Country club thinks the public is realy THAT stupid.


39 posted on 02/28/2008 7:28:17 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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Virtual fences are much better than real fences...that's why the White House has one...

...oh wait, that's a real fence. Maybe our most secure prisons like the Supermax would be a good example of the use of virtual fence technology...

....oops, that looks like a regular fence as well.

40 posted on 02/28/2008 7:36:53 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: BufordP
""Virtual” my arse." Well said.

We are being invaded by illegals. Gees.

41 posted on 02/28/2008 7:52:45 AM PST by AGreatPer
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To: kingattax
Our government is laughing at us. We've been played for suckers on almost every front.

The invasion by illegal aliens is no accident. It is being actively supported by both parties and all levels of government.

Any time I hear someone talk about Fedgov claiming that taking away more of our freedoms will lead to more security I laugh. Unfortunately, you find lots of support for shredding the 4th amendment right here on Free Republic.

42 posted on 02/28/2008 7:55:24 AM PST by zeugma (John McCain -- he's Richard Nixon without the charm.)
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To: kingattax
"Technical problems discovered...."



Our president and our government are treasonist toward our country and it's people.
43 posted on 02/28/2008 7:59:54 AM PST by Main Street (Stuck in traffic)
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To: BufordP

In all honesty I really think that something *like* the “virtual” fence is useful but ONLY in conjunction with a REAL fence that is more substantial that two runs of chain link.


44 posted on 02/28/2008 8:00:24 AM PST by nerdwithamachinegun (All generalizations are wrong.)
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To: BufordP
Yep. Seems to me they could start on a wall TODAY! “Virtual” my arse.

My arse too.

45 posted on 02/28/2008 8:22:51 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: kingattax

State-level laws are our only recourse against illegal invasion, the Feds will do nothing. Enforcment of employer sanctions (fines/jail) and landlord sanctions is more important than the fence.


46 posted on 02/28/2008 8:50:46 AM PST by Mogollon (Vote straight GOP for congress....our only protection against Obama-Clinton, or McCain.)
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To: kingattax
the feds think we are really stupid and can't figure out that the govt has NO intention of ever securing the borders. give us a freakin break already

You're exactly right, already at this point the culture is being lost, and with 6 8 10 kids per family it's only a matter of time. McCain and his buddies win, only what they have won who'd want?
47 posted on 02/28/2008 8:54:08 AM PST by Scythian
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To: Scythian

At this point if Pelosi wants to start the impeachment hearing I’m up for it, as long as it’s for failing the protect the nation.


48 posted on 02/28/2008 8:56:14 AM PST by Scythian
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Isn’t it required BY LAW that the Duncan Hunter fence MUST BE BUILT? And completed by a certain date?


49 posted on 02/28/2008 10:35:12 AM PST by Kimberly GG (God Bless our true conservative patriots..... Duncan Hunter & Family!!)
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To: kingattax; BufordP

Well, then, build a REAL fence. All a virtual fence will do is allow us to watch the invasion on closed-circuit television.


50 posted on 02/28/2008 10:51:13 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Cloverfield 2008! Why vote for a lesser monster?)
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