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Walter Cronkite and the CIA
Poe.com ^ | February 26, 2008 | Richard Lawrence Poe

Posted on 02/26/2008 1:15:37 PM PST by Richard Poe

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To: Free Vulcan

Free Vulcan wrote:

Conkrite is one of those I will not shed a tear for when he dies. There will be a special place in hell for him and his ilk.”

Hell ain’t half full, jump in Walter, and hold Jimmy’s hand when you go.


41 posted on 02/26/2008 3:38:01 PM PST by redstateconfidential (If you are the smartest person in the room,you are hanging out with the wrong people.)
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To: Chode
Chode wrote: Image hosted by Photobucket.com there is a special place in hell reserved for that old bastard." hell
42 posted on 02/26/2008 3:40:55 PM PST by redstateconfidential (If you are the smartest person in the room,you are hanging out with the wrong people.)
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To: rbmillerjr
rbmillerjr: "Where is the evidence that the CIA desired to lose the war in Vietnam?"

Actually, you are asking the wrong question. You are asking for evidence of the CIA's motivation, which is to say, of the CIA's state of mind. I am far more interested in the CIA's actions than in its words or thoughts.

The pattern of CIA activity from roughly 1964 to 1974, described in my series of articles and further elucidated in the many links I provided, demands an explanation beyond that supplied by mainstream journalists and historians. These actions include, but are not limited to, the following:

1) Officially advising President Johnson in 1964 that the war was lost and that Vietnam should be abandoned to the communists;

2) Creating and funding anti-war front groups, beginning in 1965;

3) Praising and promoting said anti-war front groups via CIA propaganda networks operating through major newspapers and broadcast networks;

4) Ousting President Johnson through the so-called "Dump Johnson" campaign run by CIA contract consultant Allard Lowenstein, who recruited Eugene McCarthy to run against Johnson in the primaries;

5) Creating and leaking the so-called "Pentagon Papers";

6) Hampering Nixon's war efforts and negotiations with a never-ending stream of well-timed and extremely damaging leaks of classified information to the press;

7) Ousting Nixon through the so-called "Watergate" scandal;

All of the activities cited above demonstrate a consistent pattern on the part of our CIA to undermine and sabotage the war effort.

Rather than demanding from me proof of the CIA's motivation -- a topic on which I can only speculate or hypothesize -- I would urge you to pursue a more useful line of inquiry, which would be to consider the facts I have set before you, as well as the many links I provided which supplement those facts, and to ponder what these facts could possibly mean.

If you reject my explanation of these facts, please feel free to supply an alternative explanation of your own.

43 posted on 02/26/2008 3:45:54 PM PST by Richard Poe
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To: Free Vulcan
I wonder if they were infiltrated. The Soviets had people everywhere else in our govt it seems.

What'ya mean "they." They're still here!

44 posted on 02/26/2008 3:55:40 PM PST by subterfuge (LET THE HOARDING BEGIN!!)
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To: Richard Poe

If you ask me, that is pretty evidential stuff you’ve listed.

I doubt there is any other way to explain the so-called **quagmire** that these days is simply refered to as “vietnam.”


45 posted on 02/26/2008 4:03:23 PM PST by subterfuge (LET THE HOARDING BEGIN!!)
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To: Richard Poe

“All of the activities cited above demonstrate a consistent pattern on the part of our CIA to undermine and sabotage the war effort.”

I despise the leftists and Cronkite as much as you or any other good conservative. It is obvious that leftists in our media proactively sought American’s defeat in Vietnam. I would even go as far as to say that much of the Watergate story was concocted to gain attention.

But I don’t see the support for a claim that the CIA, in it’s entirety set out as a policy covert or otherwise to have the US lose or withdrawl in Vietnam. Now, were there leftists within the CIA who may have done things to hinder us? Certainly.

But, to say that the CIA is basically rogue and coopted as an intelligence agency put your line of reasoning in the “CIA killed Kennedy in a coup” type of conspiracy reasoning.

Take your #7) “Ousting Nixon through the so-called “Watergate” scandal”

What is your proof of this claim? To say leftists within the media ousted him could possibly be show to have played a huge part. But you are saying the CIA directly did this?


46 posted on 02/26/2008 4:03:49 PM PST by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: Richard Poe

What part did James Angleton (DCI) play?


47 posted on 02/26/2008 4:11:16 PM PST by what's up
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To: Richard Poe

Cronkite. Never heard of him.


48 posted on 02/26/2008 4:16:49 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: redstateconfidential
Image hosted by Photobucket.com yup, he gets the horns...
49 posted on 02/26/2008 4:21:05 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Richard Poe
Conkrite and Rather are two of a kind. It's hard to say which I hate the most. I guess I'd have to go with Conkrite but Rather would be only about ¼ point behind him.
IMHO
50 posted on 02/26/2008 4:26:10 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: PhilDragoo

Interesting thread. See Poe reply at #43.


51 posted on 02/26/2008 4:28:17 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: albie

And have him take Jimmy Carter with him! The two of them don’t equal one man.


52 posted on 02/26/2008 4:35:09 PM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: rbmillerjr
rbmillerjr: "Now, were there leftists within the CIA who may have done things to hinder us? Certainly."

Essentially you are suggesting that rogue leftist elements within the CIA might have pulled off at least some of the operations cited in my post above.

As much as I would like to accept that explanation, I cannot see how any of the seven above-named operations could have unfolded without high-level authorization.

Even the press leaks -- possibly the easiest of these dirty tricks to execute -- would require a willing recipient of said leak on the other end, that is, a willing reporter who works the national security beat and has good contacts in the intelligence world, along with a willing editor who would allow this reporter to pursue the story.

Media organizations, like all corporations, have a strict chain of command which enforces company policy down the line. Press leaks would never see the light of day without the compliance and cooperation of top-level media executives. Such executives do not, as a rule, publish classified information unless they believe that their highest-level sources in the intelligence world approve of the leak.

53 posted on 02/26/2008 4:43:01 PM PST by Richard Poe
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To: USS Alaska
I met Cronkite when I was sent by my company to Edwards AFB to string telephone and network feeds for CBS and the media for the Shuttle.. I set up his trailer with comm feeds. He was in it drunk as a skunk. He blubbered about his accomplishments.

He also talked about Vietnam and his reporting “ that saved American lives”. Just a pathetic liberal drunk, nothing more.

54 posted on 02/26/2008 4:43:48 PM PST by afnamvet (Support The Troops. Your life may depend on it.)
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To: All; kjo; Richard Poe; Free Vulcan

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NEVER FORGET

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See Year 2000 Postings re: WALTER CRONKITE at...

‘WE WERE SOLDIERS ONCE...& YOUNG’...4 FREEDOM

http://www.Freerepublic.com/forum/a39626542519c.htm

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NEVER FORGET

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55 posted on 02/26/2008 5:34:40 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ntnychik; Richard Poe; potlatch; devolve; MeekOneGOP; Jeff Head; snippy_about_it; Iris7; Valin; ...
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

v.

THE NEW YORK TIMES COMPANY,

BILL KELLER, JAMES RISEN, ERIC LICHTBLAU,

and JOHN AND JANE DOES 1 THROUGH 20,

Defendants.

THE GRAND JURY CHARGES THAT:

INTRODUCTORY ALLEGATIONS

At all times material to this indictment:

1. Defendant The New York Times Company was the publisher of the general circulation newspaper The New York Times.

2. Defendants Keller, Risen, and Lichtblau were agents and/or employees of The New York Times.

3. Defendants John and Jane Does 1 through 20 included among them agents and/or employees of the United States.

4. Defendants John and Jane Does 1 through 20 had a legal duty to act in accordance with law regarding all officially classified information and documents and information relating to the national defense in their possession and/or under their control.

5. Defendants The New York Times Company, Keller, or Lichtblau were not entitled legally to have under their control and/or possess, disclose, and/or communicate officially classified information and documents and information relating to the national defense.

6. At a time or times subsequent to September 11, 2001, the exact time or times being unknown to the grand jurors, defendants John and Jane Does 1 through 20, knowingly and willfully disclosed and communicated to defendants The New York Times Company, Keller, Risen, and Lichtblau, officially classified information and documents and information concerning a National Security Agency communication intelligence surveillance program vital to the United States' national defense.

7. Defendants The New York Times Company, Keller, Risen, and Lichblau, within the Southern District of New York, knowingly and willfully caused to be published, and published, said classified information and documents and information in The New York Times.

8. None of the defendants John and Jane Does 1 through 20 were legally authorized to disclose or communicate said classified information and documents and information to defendants The New York Times Company, Keller, Risen, or Lichtblau.

9. None of the defendants The New York Times Company, Keller, Risen, or Lichtblau were legally authorized to possess or publish said classified information and documents and information.

10. None of the defendants The New York Times Company, Keller, Risen, or Lichtblau were legally authorized to publish said classified information and documents and information.

COUNT ONE

Treason

(All defendants)

11. The communicating, furnishing, transmitting, and otherwise making available the said classified information and documents and information by defendants John and Jane Does 1 through 20 knowingly and willfully to defendants The New York Times Company, Keller, Risen, and Lichtblau constituted adhering to the enemies of the United States and giving them aid and comfort.

12. The publication of the said classified information and documents and information by The New York Times Company, Keller, Risen, and Lichtblau constituted adhering to the enemies of the United States and giving them aid and comfort.

(In violation of 18 U.S.C. Section 2381.)

COUNT TWO

Disclosure of classified information

(Defendants John and Jane Does 1 through 20)

13. At a time or times subsequent to September 11, 2001, the exact time or times being unknown to the grand jurors, defendants John and Jane Does 1 through 20, or some of them, knowingly and willfully communicated, furnished, transmitted, and otherwise made available classified information concerning the communication intelligence activities of the United States to a person or persons not entitled to receive it, to wit, defendants The New York Times Company, Keller, Risen, and Lichtblau.

(In violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 798.)

COUNT THREE

Communication of national defense information

(Defendants The New York Times Company, Keller, Risen, and Lichtblau)

14. At a time or times subsequent to September 11, 2001, the exact time or times being unknown to the grand jurors, defendants The New York Times Company, Keller, Risen, and Lichtblau, having unauthorized possession of the aforesaid documents or information relating to the national defense, which documents or information defendants had reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States, willfully communicated the same to persons not entitled to receive it by publishing said information in The New York Times.

(In violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 793(d).)

COUNT FOUR

Disclosure of classified information

(Defendants The New York Times Company, Keller, Risen, and Lichtblau)

15. At a time or times subsequent to September 11, 2001, the exact time or times being unknown to the grand jurors, defendants The New York Times Company, Keller, Risen, and Lichtblau published and used in a manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States to its detriment, classified information concerning the communication intelligence activities of the United States.

(In violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 798.)

COUNT FIVE

Conspiracy to commit treason

(All defendants)

16. Beginning after September 11, 2001 and continuing until December 16, 2006, in the Southern District of New York and elsewhere, all defendants did unlawfully, knowingly and willfully conspire, confederate and agree together and with others, known and unknown to the Grand Jury, to commit the following offense against the United States, to wit: to adhere to its enemies and give them aid and comfort.

17. The defendants' overt acts in furtherance of their conspiracy consisted of defendants John and Jane Does 1 through 20, knowingly and willfully communicating, furnishing, transmitting, and otherwise making available to defendants The New York Times Company, Keller, Risen, and Lichtblau, classified information and documents and information concerning a National Security Agency communication intelligence surveillance program vital to the United States' national defense, and further consisted of defendants The New York Times Company, Keller, Risen, and Lichblau, causing to be published, and publishing, said classified information in The New York Times and elsewhere.

(In violation of 18 U.S.C. Section 371.)

COUNT SIX

Conspiracy to communicate national defense information

(All defendants)

18. Beginning after September 11, 2001 and continuing until December 16, 2006, in the Southern District of New York and elsewhere, all defendants did unlawfully, knowingly and willfully conspire, confederate and agree together and with others, known and unknown to the Grand Jury, to commit the following offense against the United States, to wit: to knowingly and willfully communicate, furnish, transmit, and otherwise made available, or use in a manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States to its detriment, national defense information concerning the communication intelligence activities of the United States to a person or persons not entitled to receive it.

19. The defendants' overt acts in furtherance of their conspiracy consisted of defendants John and Jane Does 1 through 20 willfully communicating to defendants The New York Times Company, Keller, Risen, and Lichtblau, documents and information concerning a National Security Agency communication intelligence surveillance program vital to the United States' national defense, and further consisted of defendants The New York Times Company, Keller, Risen, and Lichblau, causing to be published, and publishing, said documents and information in The New York Times and elsewhere.

(In violations of 18 U.S.C. Section 371.)

COUNT SEVEN

Conspiracy to disclose classified information

(All defendants)

20. Beginning after September 11, 2001 and continuing until December 16, 2006, in the Southern District of New York and elsewhere, all defendants did unlawfully, knowingly and willfully conspire, confederate and agree together and with others, known and unknown to the Grand Jury, to commit the following offense against the United States, to wit: to knowingly and willfully communicate, furnish, transmit, and otherwise made available, or use in a manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States to its detriment, classified information concerning the communication intelligence activities of the United States to a person or persons not entitled to receive it.

21. The defendants' overt acts in furtherance of their conspiracy consisted of defendants John and Jane Does 1 through 20 unlawfully disclosing and communicating to defendants The New York Times Company, Keller, Risen, and Lichtblau, classified information concerning a National Security Agency communication intelligence surveillance program vital to the United States' national defense, and further consisted of defendants The New York Times Company, Keller, Risen, and Lichblau, causing to be published, and publishing, said classified information in The New York Times and elsewhere.

(In violation of 18 U.S.C. Sections 371)

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Henry Mark Holzer

Was Allard Lowenstein's murder a CIA hit.

To what does Nixon refer by his repeated reference to "that whole Bay of Pigs business" on the WH tapes.

Who is leaking to the NYT.

Why has former DCI Gates (coauthor with Brzezinski of the 2004 CFR paper "Iran: Time for a New Direction") been installed as secdef.

What significance adheres to Brezinski's presence during Carter's Turner's Halloween 1977 axing of 820 case officers and Brezinski's presence as Obama's foreign policy advisor--and McCain's refusal to "beat Obama like a drum".

The CIA put a rogue ICBM threat fifteen years in the future when lo and behold Kim Jong Il threw one over Japan in 1998.

Had JFK approved the second raid with CIA B-25's on Castro's three T-33s Castro would not have been in power for fifty years--is Hunt correct in affixing blame on Kennedy, or does it rather fall on Bissell.

Given the success of Aldrich Ames, the devastation caused by Valerie Plame et al, the serial and catastrophic failures of CIA, can it not be argued that better intelligence could be had by dispatching Protest Warrior to Indian country to hypnotize the enemy with her navel.


56 posted on 02/26/2008 9:10:45 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo

Your replies never disappoint. It looks like this article struck a chord.


57 posted on 02/26/2008 10:58:38 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: PhilDragoo

Will need to look at your post a bit more.

There was an interesting book called “Silent Coup” with lots of reference notes, etc. One of the big things I got out of it was how the military and the State Deparment were at odds.

The other thing that was interesting, in the Watergate break in I believe some are advocating an open policy on it and it will blow over, but Nixon says the “Bay of Pigs thing” as you mention, or I seem to remember “it will bring up the whole Cuban thing.” (Some of the operatives in the Watergate break in were Cuban, and had been doing this type of work for awhile).

Interesting that Nixon gets in trouble over trying to keep quiet the “Pentagon Papers” (a Johnson thing) and the Bay of Pigs (a Kennedy thing). Of course to Nixon, he knew that they were AMERICAN things.


58 posted on 02/26/2008 11:11:05 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: PhilDragoo

Buuuuummmmp !!!


59 posted on 02/26/2008 11:11:53 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: PhilDragoo

Excellent post, Phil...as usual.

Thank you!


60 posted on 02/27/2008 7:33:33 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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