Posted on 02/25/2008 1:30:39 PM PST by backtothestreets
Heads up! Tomorrow night (February 26, 2008 at 9:00 PM), the History Channel will air a new segment of their Universe series that could be very interesting. It will try to address what was before the Big Bang. This is a subject I don't see anyway of discussing without raising religious beliefs.
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I will watch...some scientists theorize that the universe has been expanding and contracting for eons. Interesting stuff, religious implications aside.
Just a thought in the Lord’s mind.
“This is a subject I don’t see anyway of discussing without raising religious beliefs.”
This is the media we’re talking about. Of course they will find ways to discuss it without religious beliefs. They might have the guts to mention God, but I suspect that the fact that they reference the Big Bang means that its primarily going to be about cosmology. They’ll probably focus on two theories: 1) the ocillating universe theory, adn 2) the notion that there was nothing before the Big Bang, ie. time simply began at that point, and there was nothing before it.
You wonder why it’s on the History Channel, though.
Before the big bang the universe was in a marble played with by gigantic beings with sucker fingers. Haven’t any of you seen “Men in Black?”
It has been a good series and yes this will be interesting. I’m not going to hold my breath expecting them to honor our Creator. I do expect a lot of multi dimensional string theory theories postulated.
“You wonder why it’s on the History Channel, though.”
Unfortunately, the History Channel seems to be going the way of sensational crapola to compete with reality tv. They’re starting a new series about what amounts to Ultimate Fighting Championship...how sad.
Or they’ll throw in references to religion and then debunk it or slight it or make fun of it. The truth is that the Universe before the bang is so long ago it’s irrelevant.
The Universe was just like it is now then, .............there was a big bang.
We’re probably WAY overdue for another.
Did anyone see the Ape story on PBS? Now that one will get ya to thinking.
I’ll pass. They have a hard enough time with real science and religion.
Nah! All the black holes sucked everything up, then they sucked themselves up into a mega-black hole. And then,,,,,KABLOOIE!
Please don’t tell me this show will take away from Ice Road Truck Drivers or the search for Big Foot? I mean if the History channel starts looking into the origins of the Universe, how on Earth can we track Bigfoot?
I guess I will have to turn the Weekly World News.
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This expansion and contraction is not purely harmonic. Each successive expansion reaches farther while each successive contraction fails to replicate the original mass by a greater magnitude. This means that there is a beginning that cannot be replicated - ever.
Quantum theology.
Unfortunately, the weekly World News went under. I hope Ed Anger found another gig!
I liked it better when people referred to it as the Hitler Channel. ;)
WWII 24/7. Those were the days.
“This is a subject I don’t see anyway of discussing without raising religious beliefs.”
They’ll manage to.
Hitler? Was that the name of a UFO incident? /s
I too miss the old History channel, now that Dogfights has been canceled, the only worthwhile show on it is Modern Marvels.
Weekly World News is no more!? But they were so close to finding Bat Boy.
Tiny mustard seed
against the scale of cosmos
Impossibly small
It is the pre-History channel. And recently they also did a speculative broadcast about planet Earth after man is gone.
On a serious note: I looked up the program description and it is;
Exploring the myths and mysteries of the universe. Included: the possibility of life on Mars; time travel; the theory of a dark star that’s a companion to our sun. Also: the big bang theory.
Doesn’t look there will be much about the BB but I’ll watch. This has been an outstanding series.
Nothing happened before the big bang, as the big bang was a singualirty where matter, time, and space were created.
What was there before the ‘big bang?’ A very interesting philosophical and scientific question, to be sure! Scientists will demur, saying that only with the ‘big bang’ does science actually begin. Everything and anything prior to that is not in the realm of science. But it is in the realm of our thought. Surely, there was a ‘something’ before the ‘big bang.’ If not, are we real or are we illusion? Quantum physics has raised far more questions than it has answered, but one extrapolation of quantum findings might suggest that there is no definable difference between what exists and what does not. If that should be the case, what are we? — men who dream of being butterflies, or butterflies dreaming ourselves to be men? And, if either, where and why?
At the level of the pre big bang, there is no
human empirical science, no observers, no humans.
So everything mankind says about that epoch is
purely speculative. All comments will not be based
on any type of western scientific evidence.
Since no human was there.
P.S. since we cannot really determine where and how
fast the subatomic phenomena are at the same time
(Heisenberg, y’now)...
how do you think we can figure out what happened
before there was “physics”?
If you believe in probability and wave functions,
try it at the crap table some night in Vegas...
Is the Big Bang “Theory” still thought of as a theory, or did it become a fact when I wasn’t paying attention?
If we’re just an illusion, is empirical science an illusion?
Are we having an illusion that we are illusory in reality?
Oh, my head is beginning to hurt. Now is that pain, or
just a chemical reacton in my brain/neuron interface?
...and quit calling us Shirley!
Turtles, all the way down.
Steven Hawking said that “to ask what happened one second before the Big Bang is the same as asking what is located one mile north of the north pole.”
Not surely.
You’d almost get sea sick from watching the credits on Victory at Sea.
For real, their programming has taken a turn toward suckville as of late.
They have had a few shows that I would start to watch and 5 minutes in a statement was made total opposite about recorded history so I’d turn it off.
“And thus, before the big bang there was Obama, and Obama was good and Obama started the process by which all matter wa able to come together”
Obama, 3:54
I'm gonna take a shot in the dark here, but I'm gonna guess that it was the Big Dinner at the Big Fancy Restaurant.
In the beginning was the Word. Works for me.
Answer - The Trinity and the angels, good and bad.
This question greatly frustrated Stephen Hawking, whenever he is asked it. He usually responds by saying it’s a stupid question and is like asking “what lies north of the north pole?”
The Universe has been a good series.
If they can’t work out the details of those moments shortly after the big bang, how can they scope out what the universe was BEFORE the big bang?
Was there God? If not, how did God come about? And why?
Our universe has lots of black holes because of evolutions: those universes which have lots of black holes will spawn more universes which will be similar to them.
When a black hole explodes, there is no telling exactly what will happen. So there could be lots of different universe out there with different basic constants, etc.
The ultimate evolutionary theory
The problem is that time itself was created in the big bang along with space. So there was no "before" to come before time was created. It's like asking what were your thoughts before your dad's sperm inseminated your mom's egg. There wasn't yet a "you" there to have thoughts. There was no time before the big bang created time-space.
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