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1972 All Over Again
American Spectator ^ | 2-25-08 | Jennifer Rubin

Posted on 02/24/2008 9:15:07 PM PST by smoothsailing

1972 All Over Again

By Jennifer Rubin

Published 2/25/2008 12:08:35 AM

Forget all the pundit chatter about post-partisanship, maverick candidates, and New Media driven campaigns. The 2008 presidential race is shaping up to be a nice old-fashioned race between a conservative and a liberal, indeed an ultra-liberal who makes the conservative seems more conservative with each passing day.

On the Democratic side, Barack Obama is pulling away to victory. In perhaps her final contribution to Republican solidarity Hillary Clinton called Obama's bluff and did the GOP a great service. By ridiculing his empty rhetoric and messianic style of politics, Clinton forced Obama to show his hand.

After his victory last week in Wisconsin and again at the Austin debate, Obama revealed himself to be the most liberal candidate since George McGovern. He is not thrilled with building a border fence. He wants to meet with Raul Castro. He will raise taxes and spend a boatload of money on new programs. He will exit Iraq pronto and spend that money on domestic programs. He opposes any restriction on partial birth abortion and thinks the District of Columbia's total handgun ban is a "common sense" regulation.

This is no "third way" and, other than a few rhetorical flourishes, there is no sign of "reaching across the aisle."

By comparison, John McCain is running as a conventional conservative. He at least is interested in border security first. He has offered a no-new-taxes position. He will stay in Iraq as long as needed to achieve a stable, functioning state which does not harbor terrorists. He will appoint conservative judges. He reaffirmed his commitment to the Second Amendment by signing on to the Congressional amicus brief to the Supreme Court urging the District of Columbia handgun ban be struck down....

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1972; 2008; mcgovern; obama
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1 posted on 02/24/2008 9:15:08 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
Have you been reading about Barack's Buddies?


2 posted on 02/24/2008 9:18:50 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: smoothsailing
The 2008 presidential race is shaping up to be a nice old-fashioned race between a conservative and a liberal, indeed an ultra-liberal who makes the conservative seems more conservative with each passing day.

I see three liberals. I see a John McCain who gets an F- on gun issues from Gun Owners of America; who is committed to silencing Congressional critics during election campaigns; who wants amnesty granted to tens of millions of illegals. So how is this 1972 again?

3 posted on 02/24/2008 9:19:44 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: smoothsailing

Who is the conservative that they are talking about?


4 posted on 02/24/2008 9:20:31 PM PST by mysterio
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To: Travis McGee

Where’s Barack Buddy Brother Farrah Con Man?


5 posted on 02/24/2008 9:22:18 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: smoothsailing
He at least is interested in border security first. He has offered a no-new-taxes position.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Ok so he is slightly better than comrade obama, but cmon, lets not pile the BS higher than it needs to be piled.....

6 posted on 02/24/2008 9:23:42 PM PST by HerrBlucher
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To: DeaconBenjamin

So how is this 1972 again?


Because the GOP candidate will win in a landslide.


7 posted on 02/24/2008 9:24:09 PM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: DeaconBenjamin

You’re forgetting about his pandering to the enviro-kooks with his “cap-and-trade” program. Oh, and I almost forgot: He doesn’t like torturing a terrorist even if it could prevent a major, imminent attack. I really do want to like John McCain. Unfortunately, his lefty tendencies make him awfully hard to admire.


8 posted on 02/24/2008 9:24:52 PM PST by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Nixon circa 1972 opened up Red China, founded the EPA, and pulled the U.S. out of Vietnam.

Not exactly conservative compared to Barry Goldwater circa 1964...


9 posted on 02/24/2008 9:25:34 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: smoothsailing
He wants to meet with Raul Castro. He will raise taxes and spend a boatload of money on new programs.
 
Castro?  Boatload?
 
 

10 posted on 02/24/2008 9:25:42 PM PST by littlehouse36 (I miss Hillary already.)
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To: Travis McGee

HYPNOBOMA is so far left—— He’s left handed.


11 posted on 02/24/2008 9:25:45 PM PST by Uncle George
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To: Bishop_Malachi

Correction: Waterboarding & sleep deprivation are not torture. Our boys and girls go through that, and worse, during SERE training.


12 posted on 02/24/2008 9:26:55 PM PST by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: Senator Goldwater

The R’s may win but I doubt it will be a landslide.


13 posted on 02/24/2008 9:31:16 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: smoothsailing
By comparison, John McCain is running as a conventional conservative.

The only way he can run as a conservative is to run AWAY from himself and all he has actually done over the past 20 years!

14 posted on 02/24/2008 9:31:20 PM PST by The Citizen Soldier ("There is only one reason to be a Christian: because it's true" – Francis Schaeffer)
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To: smoothsailing

I remember 1972 very well. I fail to see very many (if any) similarities.


15 posted on 02/24/2008 9:32:24 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Southack
Nixon circa 1972 opened up Red China, founded the EPA, and pulled the U.S. out of Vietnam.

Don't forget wage and price controls.

16 posted on 02/24/2008 9:34:20 PM PST by The Citizen Soldier ("There is only one reason to be a Christian: because it's true" – Francis Schaeffer)
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To: Senator Goldwater; DeaconBenjamin
Because the GOP candidate will win in a landslide.

It's so easy a caveman could do it! LOL!

On these threads, I'm always glad to see a guy like you show up, Senator!

17 posted on 02/24/2008 9:34:24 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Southack
"...and pulled the U.S. out of Vietnam."

No. He sloughed that off onto Gerald R. Ford and his V.P. Nelson D. Rockefeller. Congress cut off all the money and hog-tied ol Gerry Ford on a date that will live in ignomy!!!

18 posted on 02/24/2008 9:34:35 PM PST by SierraWasp (McCain's NOT a RINO! He's a CONTRA CONSERVATIVE!!! (he's also contra-constitutional like Schwartzen-)
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To: JillValentine

I tend to agree with you. The line between “aggressive interrogation” and “torture” is a blurry one, but if we do actually torture someone who meets the criteria above (i.e. has knowledge of an large, imminent attack), why is that objectionable? The argument that we are “becoming like them” is ludicrous. They torture to politically humiliate/intimidate; we do so to save lives.


19 posted on 02/24/2008 9:35:33 PM PST by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: Travis McGee
More than I can stomach.
20 posted on 02/24/2008 9:35:36 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
There is a reason why Obama gained Ted Kennedy's endorsement: He is the perfect messenger for an agenda Kennedy has been waiting 40 years to enact.

Excellent point and so true.

21 posted on 02/24/2008 9:36:12 PM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

F- from GOA, C from NRA. Why doesn’t the NRA count?

And you know Barack and Hilary would never sign the congressional amicus brief urging that the handgun ban be lifted.

McCain isn’t all we 2nd amendment fans want, but he’s not rabid anti-gun either. H. and O. are.


22 posted on 02/24/2008 9:36:47 PM PST by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
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To: mysterio
Does this lady know anything about Conservatives or about the election in 1972?

1972 - Richard Nixon - off the top of my head - wage and price controls, National Public Radio, Environmental Protection Agency, racial quotas, the Berger Supreme Court, larger domestic spending increases than LBJ, detente with totalitarian regimes in China and USSR.....

2008 - John McCain - off the top of my head - global warming mandates, open borders and amnesty, anti-Bush tax cuts, blocked Conservative judges with Demo help, government financed election campaigns, viciously and publicly attacks Conservatives using Demo Party attack language.

23 posted on 02/24/2008 9:37:04 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Fiddlstix

Don’t you think Obama and McGovern have similarities?


24 posted on 02/24/2008 9:38:08 PM PST by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
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To: smoothsailing
The McCain haters are out in full force.
I guess there just trying to help there Comrade Obama.
25 posted on 02/24/2008 9:40:15 PM PST by ncalburt
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To: Fiddlstix
I remember 1972 very well. I fail to see very many (if any) similarities.

Failure to see is not an option.

26 posted on 02/24/2008 9:40:54 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

It is my understanding the Democrats initiated “Super Delegates” in response to #1 Senator “Kook” McGovern’s failed candidacy against Nixon, and #2 “Kook” Carter’s failed Presidency. “Super Delegates provide the Party more control over whom runs on their ticket. After those two “Kooks” the Dems wanted no more.

I’d s’pose Obama will be attacked as a “Kook” in an empty suit sooner than later, actually deluged with such attacks, and probably sourced to his own Party.

Perhaps that is what the Clinton’s are banking on, because those “Super Delegates” cannot simply override the locked in delegates if they are overwhelmingly in Obama’s court. It would probably create one “H” of a racial issue. The Dems will need to knock him down first to change the delegate backing he now has.

Well it’s just a thought, but will be interesting to see what happens.


27 posted on 02/24/2008 9:41:01 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: ncalburt; smoothsailing
The McCain haters are out in full force.

Just love the mis-characterization, name-calling, badgering, and labeling by those who cannot stand the truth about John McCain.

This is all they have because John McCain is such a turd of a Republican Candidate.
28 posted on 02/24/2008 9:45:25 PM PST by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: ncalburt
It's always that way. Some folks just like to read their own snarky posts.

I only use the word snarky because the lefties understand it, it has been a word in my personal vocabulary.

29 posted on 02/24/2008 9:45:47 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Uncle George

“HYPNOBOMA is so far left—— He’s left handed.”

John McCain is left handed too . . . I wonder what that says . . .


30 posted on 02/24/2008 9:47:40 PM PST by Stunned
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To: SoConPubbie; ncalburt
Are foul toilet words necessary?
31 posted on 02/24/2008 9:49:20 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Marie2
Don’t you think Obama and McGovern have similarities?

Some, yes. Not all that much though. Well, other than they both are socialist idiots.

I certainly fail to see similarities between Nixon and McCain.
I voted for Nixon both times and didn't think a second about it.
I cannot say that for McCain.
Not saying I won't vote for him. I'll wait and see. Still in all I'm not comfortable with it.

32 posted on 02/24/2008 9:53:21 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: SoConPubbie
The non stop irrational comments that give aide and support to a true radical socialist named Obama Hussein are bizarre.
Comparing a Soros funded radical socialist that support partial birth abortion, gun control , dismantling the military, wealth redistribution, anti- FISEA, anti -war on terrorism, anti-Israeli , pro fairness doctrine, anti new media ,and pro -Castro to any Republican including McCain is just pure nonsense and irrational.Its gotten OLD !
33 posted on 02/24/2008 9:53:22 PM PST by ncalburt
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To: ncalburt
CORRECTION!!!

It's always that way. Some folks just like to read their own snarky posts. I only use the word snarky because the lefties understand it, it has NEVER been a word in my personal vocabulary.

Sheesh, I hate when I leave a word out! :)

34 posted on 02/24/2008 9:55:23 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
Please see my Post #32
35 posted on 02/24/2008 9:57:33 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: smoothsailing

So if Obama is McGovern, then McCain would definitely have to be Nixon. Yes, I have to admit I see the similarities.


36 posted on 02/24/2008 9:58:02 PM PST by eclecticEel (oh well, Hunter 2012 anyone?)
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To: smoothsailing

If Obama is McGovern, then Hillary is Muskie. Muskie was also the pre-primary frontrunner, but he seems to have been an honorable man, so he was completely unlike the Clintons.


37 posted on 02/24/2008 9:59:35 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Fiddlstix
I saw it.

You'll vote for McCain unless you just don't give a hoot, which I doubt.

38 posted on 02/24/2008 9:59:45 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
Mcshamesty, a conservative? While I agree he maybe a better candidate than Obamrama, he is not much better. Mcshamesty has more in common with the demoncrats, than with conservatives.
39 posted on 02/24/2008 10:00:33 PM PST by nyconse
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To: smoothsailing
By comparison, John McCain is running as a conventional conservative.

Jennifer Rubin must be doing some good old fashioned 1972 acid.

40 posted on 02/24/2008 10:00:40 PM PST by ovrtaxt (Member of the irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.)
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To: smoothsailing
McCain was selected by a small part of the RNC voters.
McCain is a mess on a list of topics .
But to say that he is no different than a radical socialist with a mysterious past, dislike this country, married to a America hater, cozy with far left groups, financed by Soros/Moveon.org/People for an American way, and has radical plans for this country is so far from the truth its ridiculous.
41 posted on 02/24/2008 10:01:54 PM PST by ncalburt
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To: Verginius Rufus
he was completely unlike the Clintons.

Not completely, all three can weep on cue.

42 posted on 02/24/2008 10:02:09 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; Travis McGee
It's more like 1968 than 1972, with Hillary as the establishment globo-socialist, Obama as Bobby Kennedy, and McCain as Nixon (who was NO conservative).
43 posted on 02/24/2008 10:02:58 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power with a desire for evil.)
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To: JillValentine

Thank you. I have a close friend who in “Army games” in the Swiss army, received numerous cigarette burns on his arms (permanent scars now) during the elicitation of confessions (he would not confess). How is that any less “torture” than waterboarding?


44 posted on 02/24/2008 10:04:47 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: ncalburt

McCain took an oath to defend the Constitution.

He then proceeded to turn the First Amendment into toilet paper with his signature legislation.

Sorry, I don’t vote for liberals and traitors.


45 posted on 02/24/2008 10:07:08 PM PST by ovrtaxt (Member of the irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.)
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To: smoothsailing
Yes. I do "give a hoot". I will vote. I always vote.
And there have been times I've had to "hold my nose" to do it.....
Rest assured.....
46 posted on 02/24/2008 10:07:23 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Carry_Okie
Good Point!
47 posted on 02/24/2008 10:08:12 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Fiddlstix
I hear you.

I'm not singing the praises of John McCain either, but I will vote for him.

48 posted on 02/24/2008 10:10:12 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: ncalburt
We're on the same page.
49 posted on 02/24/2008 10:13:27 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: mysterio
"Who is the conservative that they are talking about?"

I think they mean McNuts, whose ACU rating has been sinking like the Titanic.

50 posted on 02/24/2008 10:23:22 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (New York Times Endorsed!!!)
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