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China copies Su-27 fighter, may compete with Russia - paper
Ria Novosti ^ | 02/21/08

Posted on 02/21/2008 2:50:50 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

China copies Su-27 fighter, may compete with Russia - paper

21/02/2008 12:35

MOSCOW, February 21 (RIA Novosti) - China has built a domestic copy of the famed Su-27 Flanker fighter and may compete with Russia on third-party markets if it sets up the full-scale production of the plane, a Russian daily said on Thursday.

China has acquired 76 Su-27SK fighters from Russia since 1992, and bought a license for production of another 200 planes in 1995, in a deal worth $2.5 billion.

"Since 1996, the domestic version of the Su-27 aircraft, dubbed J-11, has been produced at the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC) with the use of Russian components," the Vedomosti newspaper said.

The licensed production of the Su-27 has given China its most capable fighter aircraft while also providing a vehicle for its industry to gain knowledge of third-generation fighter manufacturing, Vedomosti said.

About 95 aircraft had been produced in China by 2003. However, the 1995 agreement did not include the transfer of avionics and AL-31F turbofan engine technology, and the Chinese manufacturers had to rely on the Russian supply of these systems.

In 2004, China requested that Russia's Sukhoi aircraft manufacturer stop deliveries of the assembly kits, stating that the basic variant of the Su-27SK/J-11 fighter could no longer satisfy Chinese Air Force requirements.

But the Russian sources insist that China's decision was prompted by an increased share of domestic components in the assembly of the licensed aircraft and breakthroughs in engine manufacturing technology.

"The breakthrough in engine manufacturing technology allowed China to increase its share of domestically developed components and technologies from 70-75% to over 90%," the newspaper cited an official from the Russian state-controlled arms exporter, Rosoboronexport, as saying.

In 2006, China revealed first official details about the domestically developed WS-10A Tai Hang turbofan engine, similar to the Russian AL-31F engine in both technology and performance.

China announced that the engine had been successfully tested on a modified Su-27K fighter, but Russian experts believe it is not reliable enough to start the full-scale production of the aircraft.

Rosoboronexport and Chinese officials refused to comment on the latest developments in the situation regarding the licensed production of Su-27s in China.

Meanwhile, Konstantin Makiyenko from the Russian Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, believes that if China manages to launch a full-scale production of the indigenous copy of the Su-27, it would easily push Russia from third-party markets, and it would be difficult to prove a violation of the license agreement.

Su-27 Flanker an its variant, Su-30 Flanker C, constitute the bulk of Russia's arms exports. Last year, Sukhoi exported 50 of these aircraft, accounting for 50% of Rosoboronexport's export revenues, Vedomosti said.

The newspaper also noted that China had a long history of copying Russian aircraft. Chinese J-6 and J-7 fighters were modeled after MiG-19 Farmer and MiG-21 Fishbed, H-6 bomber - after Tu-16 Badger, and Y-5, Y-7 and Y-8 transport planes - after An-2 Colt, An-24 Coke and An-12 Cub, respectively.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; competition; russia; su27
I suppose Chinese version easily beat Russian one in price competition.:-)
1 posted on 02/21/2008 2:50:53 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Slave labor has its benefits to the immoral criminal regime.


2 posted on 02/21/2008 2:54:55 AM PST by John Robie
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3 posted on 02/21/2008 3:00:01 AM PST by JACKRUSSELL
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To: TigerLikesRooster

In 2006, China revealed first official details about the domestically developed WS-10A Tai Hang turbofan engine, similar to the Russian AL-31F engine in both technology and performance.

China announced that the engine had been successfully tested on a modified Su-27K fighter, but Russian experts believe it is not reliable enough to start the full-scale production of the aircraft. ==

Russia developed the new engine 177C which is next in the family after al-31F. If China copied al-31F then Russia shouldn’t sell them no new engines.


4 posted on 02/21/2008 3:10:23 AM PST by RusIvan (ABM can be used to fend off the weakered by first strike reciprocal answer.)
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To: RusIvan
Keep away any research staffs married to Chinese woman.:-)
5 posted on 02/21/2008 3:12:53 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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USAF F-22 Raptor Jetfighter flying air coverage of the launch of Space Shuttle Atlantis (STS-122) on Feb 07, 2008

When China starts publishing pictures like this one I will really start to be worried. (I have a friend who works at the Cape, he gets some great pictures)

6 posted on 02/21/2008 5:06:01 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

So will these knock-offs be available just like a set of fake Callaways????? If so I’ll try one.


7 posted on 02/21/2008 11:25:58 AM PST by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

People seem to worry about the US and China trading blows but I wonder if it wouldn’t be easier and cheaper for them to invade Russia. If they can duplicate russian military technology I doubt the Russians would be able to hold back a country who’s population outnumbers theres by more than ten to one.


8 posted on 02/21/2008 1:04:30 PM PST by utherdoul
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To: utherdoul

Tom Clancy has already thought about this.


9 posted on 02/21/2008 1:39:28 PM PST by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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