Posted on 02/12/2008 6:25:03 AM PST by 3AngelaD
House Democrats are crafting a “scaled-down” immigration reform measure despite the political minefields that surround the issue, the Roll Call newspaper reported Monday. It says that Hispanic members — including Rep. Joe Baca — are seeking five-year visas for illegal immigrants who pay fines and pass criminal background checks. Baca, a California Democrat chairs the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.
Baca said the prospects for a compromise package were discussed in high-level meetings that included Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democratic Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel, and Rep. Zoe Lofgren, who chairs a key immigration subcommittee, Roll Call said.
The paper added: “It’s unclear if the behind-the-scenes discussions will actually result in a bill coming to the floor, but Democrats say drafts of legislation already have been written and are being vetted behind the scenes.”...
(Excerpt) Read more at statesman.com ...
BOHICA
Show me some other type of reform and I will opine on it then.
A bill for congressional reform would better serve the country.
Does anyone doubt that Bush or Hillary or McCain or Obama will sign this the minute that it hits the desk?
Join the army
Fight for this country
Become a citizen
If those Visas don’t provide some sort of normalized status after the 5 years and IF they must return to Mexico after the 5 years without right to return except through ordinary immigration AND IF the fence is built, criminal illegals are ALWAYS deported, and employers of illegals without work visas are consistently sought out and fined . . . then maybe . . . I’ll wait for analysis by the conservative groups.
What minefields? All 3 major presidential candidates (4 if you include Huckabee) support shamnesty. I am surprised that a broader form of shamnesty that would grant US citizenship to anyone on this planet hasn't been proposed.
Here we go...
I was thinking more like “Mexico is south of here. South is that way. Get walking on the path to Mexico, and don’t come back.”
Ping.
The only path that should be allowed for illegals:
Join the army
Fight for this country
Become a citizen
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I think that was basically the path for the germanic tribes in Rome. They took over in the end and that was the end of the road for Rome, and particularly for the Republican traditions of Rome.
No way. Military service is much more important than that. We don’t need law breakers as mercenaries to gain legal status. What kind of message does that send?
Now you've done it! You let the cat out of the bag.................
Don't confuse reform with enforcement. The illegals problem is entirely the fault of the President and his lack of enforcement of the existing laws governing labor, immigration and border control.
We could retain our existing laws and not have a problem with illegal aliens of the magnitude we have now if the existing laws at the federal level are enforced.
Does current law "fast track" citizenship for foreigners who legally immigrate if said people serve in the military? I don't have a problem with that at all.
We should deport all those congreesman who bring this bs up again.
They need to get out and get in line.
They are screwing people over who are trying to do it the right way.
I don’t either. These are green card holders, i.e., legal permanet residents. There are about 30,000 now in the the military. Yes, their citizenship applications are expedited.
Starship troopers, too.
Just say NO to Illegal Alien Amnesty!! Keep calling!! It’s NOT OVER!!
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ANY...repeat, ANY process that places a mantle of legality on these criminals is patently WRONG, and unconscionable in light of those immigrants who troubled themselves to go through the legal process.
Yes, folks, there is a legal process for immigration into the US. However, like so many other laws on the books, it appears that the apologists and appeasers are willing to selectively enforce some over others in the name of their multi-culti crap and PC BS.
1. Build the fence; secure the borders...all of them
2. Deport ALL illegals
3. Prohibit entitlement services to any and all illegals
4. Redefine ‘citizen’ to mean those born in the US to parents in the country LEGALLY
5. Prosecute employers who knowingly hire illegals; high fines per head, per day
6. Prohibit SS retirement and disability payments to NON Citizens
This backroom attempt at amnesty must be stopped as surely as the overt attempt undetaken by the talking heads, last year. The campaign against this immoral, illegal legislation should start immediately.
LaRaza be damned. Aztlan? Bull. Reconquista? Not on my watch.
Lock and Load.
Well, if it’s good enough for Heinlien it’s good enough for me.
(I say end immigration in all forms and lets stop this drift and contention in the country — unify as a people — one people again . . .)
I have often cited that too, regards Sir,
A comment from the Austin paper on this story, who says it better than I can: “As a PROUD HISPANIC AMERICAN, I would like to comment that...the “alleged” racism perceived by many Latinos actually originates within the Latino population itself. Especially among the “illegals”, who have come into this great country bearing a sense of uncompromising entitlement based on some delusional belief in a new “Reconquista” of the American SW. You are unwilling to assimilate into American culture in any manner whatsoever, and pledge allegiance only to your own flag and country. American taxpayers SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT AFFORD TO TAKE CARE OF YOU! That is the responsibility of your home country, not ours! IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT…GO HOME! OTHERWISE SHUT UP!!!”
NO.
Any alien legally in the country for five years, no matter how, but legally for five years, is eligible to apply for citizenship.
There is nothing "scaled-down" about this. It is just another run at AMNESTY.
Solve the immigration problem tomorrow:
1: Not ONE PENNY of aid for anyone in this country illegally, at which point, the invaders will simply leave.
2: Fine into oblivion any employers or landlords who do business with illegals, and the invaders will leave.
However, even enforcement isn't going to cause 15 to 20 MILLION people to leave this country.
Some type of immigration reform IS needed.
Whether it's a temp worker visa, allowing by the day/week/quarter/etc, or something else. SOMETHING is needed to control workers that are not US citizens that don't have the technical know-how needed by technical companies.
If you want to discuss this more, I have some ideas but nothing concrete that I could point to and say, "This is a plan that will work."
Well, here we go again. It would be actually possible to write immigration legislation that would get a grasp on the problem and be acceptable to a majority of the citizens. However, that would require that they bring Senator Sessions into the process rather than La Raza, LULAC and the illegal immigration attorneys.
How so? Just the threat of enforcement is causing them to leave Arizona and Oklahoma. Attrition isn’t a dirty word.
I think the Roman Republic faltered in the first century BC. At that time, the Roman legions were almost 100% Italian.
"The reformer is always right about what is wrong. He is generally wrong about what is right." - G.K. Chesterton
Amazing that our Gov’t officials are to incompetent to figure that out or so they want us to believe.
"here's the deal, we'll tell them it's a five year visa, just to make it palatable to the idiots (taxpayers). Of course, once it's passed, we'll change it from five years to whatever we want! muahahahaha!"
I was just in the emergency room with my elderly mother last night (pneumonia). The place was packed with wall to wall illegals, sniffling, sneezing, and coughing. We had to be rerouted by ambulance as the other two hospitals in our southeast LA County/North Orange County area were already packed to the gills. After a 3 hour wait in the hallway on a gurney to get a room and a 5 hour wait in the room, we were finally discharged.
California can't take anymore. It's the same way with the school and highways.
FGS, Why can't these people GET IT??
There are already plenty of such visas for which foreigners who want to legally work in the USA can apply. I don't see any need to create any new visa program, especially one which rewards these foreign criminals for breaking the law.
Will they let the American people vet it, or will they try to vote on it before they are posted on Congress's website like last time? Last May it went from a problem that had been ignored for a generation to an crisis that can only be handled by surrender before the Memorial Day break without any time for the bill to be handled in committee or even read by anyone.
According to Joe Baca, you are selfish and xenophobic!
No, the threat of punishment is causing them to leave, not enforcement on employers.
And they are not leaving to return to their own countries, they are moving to other states within the union.
The reform only kicks in IF the fence has been built (double walled) and after TOTAL COMPLETION and then funded for FIVE YEARS FIRST after the completion, THEN and only then do any of the amnesty provisions kick in.
Folks, ANYTHING that gives an illegal a legal status is AMNESTY.
This is just another back door amnesty the same as the Dream Act AMNESTY for reinstating the anchor baby law abolishe in 1996.
Yeah, I like how the people who don’t actually live with them day to day, like the rest of us rabble, try to tell us what to think and feel.
Arizona is proving that just enforcing the laws works. Let’s try that.
“1. Build the fence; secure the borders...all of them
2. Deport ALL illegals
3. Prohibit entitlement services to any and all illegals
4. Redefine ‘citizen’ to mean those born in the US to parents in the country LEGALLY
5. Prosecute employers who knowingly hire illegals; high fines per head, per day
6. Prohibit SS retirement and disability payments to NON Citizens”
Why can’t our politicians see how important and how simple the solution is. By simple I don’t mean the implementation of the above plan...but the design. It’s obvious, simple and clear cut. Would it be hard to implement? Some parts wouldn’t be easy but our country is at risk.
Immigration reform is needed but contrary to the owellian meme of the DBM it does NOT HAVE TO ADRESS THE 12+ Million illegals.
You can make a guest worker program and have strict enformcement to make the current illegals unemployable and self deport.
We have already seen this with teh exodus of illegals TO california and texas where the laws are lax.
I tend to agree with not rewarding lawbreakers, but.... when you have 15 to 20 million people already here, many that are here only to work, that aren't going to move out of this country without force being used, what do you do to make it right for this country?
There needs to be a process that these people can go through to become a legal worker in this country.
Not a citizen, not a permanent legal alien, but a legal temporary worker.
I've got a great "reform" idea. Actually enforce the last "reform".
Translation: to legal and illegal Hispanics, vote DUmbo, we're working to help you stay in spite of the political minefields.
Then by all means use force. If this was almost any other criminal problem, politicians would be dry-humping themselves to death to throw as much "action" at it as possible to solve it.
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