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For the military, if no one else. But let's not forget Supreme Court nominees, either.
e-mail | February 10, 2008 | knarf

Posted on 02/10/2008 5:32:34 AM PST by knarf

This from J.D. Pendry ... a retired Army Sgt. that you should have as a regular contributor to your e-mail.


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J. D. Pendry When Johnny comes marching home

Posted: 09 Feb 2008 05:39 PM CST

J. D. Pendry

When Johnny comes marching home again Hurrah! Hurrah! We’ll give him a hearty welcome then Hurrah! Hurrah! The men will cheer and the boys will shout The ladies they will all turn out And we’ll all feel gay when Johnny comes marching home.

Mr. Frank Woodruff Buckles is 107 years old. A resident of Charles Town, West Virginia, he is the last known surviving Veteran of World War I. Most Americans, I believe, cannot tell you very much about the war meant to end all wars. They could not talk to you about American Army recruits boarding ships headed for Europe having never fired a rifle in training. They never fired them because they did not have them. Our standing regular Army before entering the war was practically nonexistent by any reasonable standard of measurement. Mentioning names like Ardenne, Belleauwood, Chateau-Terrie, and Meusse-Argonne will probably not get a conversation started outside of military circles. Most also do not know that men like Mr. Buckles were not welcomed home with a GI Bill of Rights to help them restart their post war lives as were the Veterans of World War II.

World War II Veterans came home to a grateful nation. Grateful, because we were a nation at war then rather than a nation preoccupied with which celebrity overdosed this week while its Soldiers were at war. World War II Veterans were fortunate to have the GI Bill of Rights, The Servicemen’s Readjustment Act of 1944. If you study it, you will learn that it did not come easily as most things of value do not come easily from our politicians. In the end, it was as much about trying to make themselves feel better for their neglect of World War I Veterans as it was to help World War II Veterans restart life. Regardless of what motivated each individual Congressman, the GI Bill provided one of the greatest returns to our nation of any investment ever made in it by a collection of politicians.

Before the war, college and homeownership were, for the most part, unreachable dreams for the average American. Thanks to the GI Bill, millions who would have flooded the job market instead opted for education. In the peak year of 1947, veterans accounted for 49 percent of college admissions. By the time the original GI Bill ended on July 25, 1956, 7.8 million of 16 million World War II veterans had participated in an education or training program.

Of our living Veterans, 13.9 percent (2006 statistics) are World War II Veterans. 39 percent of our total Veteran Population is over 65 years old. Some who read this will be present on the day when someone writes about the last surviving Veteran of World War II. If there is by that time anyone left who would care to write or read about it.

Our largest population of Veterans is from the Vietnam era, comprising 33.5 percent of our total Veteran population. This group of Veterans endured combat in a politically mismanaged war that they were not allowed to win. Those who were grateful to them for their service had their voices drowned out by those who welcomed them home with baby killer signs and mischaracterization of their service in all forms of the media. They were repeatedly Kerryed, but rarely thanked or defended. The 1960s provided us with the ugliest view of some Americans and politicians. Young men and women sent off to fight a war that our political leaders believed necessary and once the politicians got them into it they seemed to always be facing 3 down with 9 yards to go in a never ending game of political football. How does a young person understand being sent to a place where every single person he confronts might want to kill him only to come home to a collection of people that openly detest his very existence?

Nothing much has changed since then. In print and broadcast media and by politicians, our Veterans and serving Men and Women are still mischaracterized. In the most recent episode of liberal lunacy, the Berkeley, California city council voted to tell the United States Marine Corps Recruiters that they are unwelcomed intruders in the Republic of Berkeley. I will bet you my tiny Military Retirement check that if these were Murtha Marines, the Berkeley city council would offer them the keys to the city. This is not new for Berkeley. In October 2005, I wrote Cancelled in Berkeley about how old anti-war hippie Joe McDonald caused the city’s Veteran’s Day observances to be cancelled. I will also bet you that this nonsensical collection of miscreants got more press than did Mr. Buckles.

So, here we are now with an apparent Presidential nominee who is a War Veteran and former Prisoner of War. One who clearly sacrificed in service of his country. If you read last week’s posting, you know that I’m not a fan of the politics of Senator John McCain and had the Republican Party bosses here in Wild Wonderful given me the opportunity, I would have voted for another candidate. But let us put that aside for a minute. The Senator will oppose either the first Black or Woman candidate for the Presidency, both of them liberal media darlings of the Berkeley class of politicians – make no doubt. I will make you another wager. In the not too distant future, the papers will fill with stories of post traumatic stress disorder hinting that someone who has endured the traumatic events of war that Senator McCain has must surely suffer from it. Then will follow the stories about his temper and hot headedness ad nauseam and all of it meant to not so subtly put the question of fitness into the minds of voters. The people who have made careers out of loathing the military will not change their spots to be nice to War Veteran and Prisoner of War Senator John McCain.

As you enter the voting booth on Election Day, you may not have it in your heart because of your political disagreements to vote for Senator McCain. Maybe you might want to consider accepting the task as I have. In the interest of Service Men and Women, Veterans and the security of our country – even Berkeley – I must and will pull the lever against Obama or Clinton.

Let love and friendship on that day, Hurrah, hurrah! Their choicest pleasures then display, Hurrah, hurrah! And let each one perform some part, To fill with joy the warrior’s heart, And we’ll all feel gay when Johnny comes marching home.

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1 posted on 02/10/2008 5:32:38 AM PST by knarf
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To: knarf

John McCain was close to being my last choice for the Republican nomination, but I will vote for him if only to keep the two progressive/socialists out of the highest office in the land.


2 posted on 02/10/2008 5:36:01 AM PST by ChocChipCookie (Homeschool like your kids' lives depend on it.)
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To: All

Anyone thinking we will get conservaive judges from the leader of the Gang of 14 has got to be somewhat delusional.

Anyone thinking McCain is tough on national security while he wants terrorists rights and illegal alien rights...while leaving our borders open....is really delusional


3 posted on 02/10/2008 5:36:09 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (UCFRW On McCain: "You can remove the stink-shooter from a skunk's butt....but it's still a skunk")
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

He will continue the war against Terror in Iraq and Afghanistan and will be more aggressive against Iran.
All the negative aspects of McCain will come true even worse under Hillobama. McCain at least would prevent Iran running amok. That’s reason enough for me to vote for him.


4 posted on 02/10/2008 5:38:38 AM PST by SolidWood (All conservative effort into retaking Congress!)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
I have been, probably like too many more than like to admit .. all over this predicament ... in, out, up and down ... so many conflicts between what I want to be, what probably might be, what could be and the results of all of those scenerios.

I have until April to decide, and I confess ... I'm really hoping I can have my thinking clarified by that time.

5 posted on 02/10/2008 5:39:31 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

If we get two Sandra Day O’Connors to replace Stevens and Bader-Ginsburg, we are better off.

Even if we get one conservative out of the two, we are much better off.


6 posted on 02/10/2008 5:44:05 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside
With McCain, at worst we’d probably get an O’Conner or Kennedy. With Clinton or Obama, they would be a Ginsburg or Souter, at best.
7 posted on 02/10/2008 5:54:33 AM PST by tips up
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To: knarf

“Berkeley class of politicians” LOL...I like that one, even though only a vet would likely understand it.

Anyway, to the point. The urging from the GOP to support McLame against the DhimmiRats is falling on deaf ears, and they would do well to heed the message coming back to them from the conservative wing of the party.

McLame is a former POW and a combat veteran of Vietnam. For that, he will be forever honored. BUT, neither of those experiences necessarily recommends him for the office of President of the United States. Since his release and return following the Paris Peace Accords, his public record is the most likely scale against which a prospective McLame Presidency should be tested. And, he comes up short...on many substantive issues.

At this point, I’m hanging my hope on a brokered convention in which the conservative voice will finally win the day, and turn the GOP back to conservative principles and away from the politics of expedient pandering.


8 posted on 02/10/2008 6:00:37 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion)
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To: ChocChipCookie

What is any of it going to be worth after McAmnesty pours 12-40 million new Democrats into the system?


9 posted on 02/10/2008 6:03:31 AM PST by arthurus
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

Conservative first picks probably, but what about the ones that finally get approved by the Democrat Senate? the 2nd or 3rd choices?


10 posted on 02/10/2008 6:04:57 AM PST by arthurus
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To: SolidWood

How will he continue the war when he has to get the money from a much more Democrat Congress than we now have? This phase of the war is over by the end of next January. What we do when we get 9-11ed again is open to question.


11 posted on 02/10/2008 6:07:17 AM PST by arthurus
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To: PubliusMM
OK ... what exactly could a brokered convention mean?

Does it mean an Alan Keyes or a Duncan Hunter, a Newt or Fred could be nominated?

Not necesarilly endorsing those guys, but asking the question using them as examples.

Though, deep inside ... Alan and Barak would make quite a race.

12 posted on 02/10/2008 6:07:39 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: SolidWood

McCain can continue to protect the country internally but our end of the war will not continue past the seating of the next Congress.


13 posted on 02/10/2008 6:08:18 AM PST by arthurus
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To: tips up
With Clinton or Obama, they would be a Ginsburg or Souter, at best.

Exactly. But they will be 20-30 years YOUNGER and be on the bench for decades.

14 posted on 02/10/2008 6:08:31 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: arthurus
a much more Democrat Congress than we now have

Says who? It's up to us whether we allow this. Read my tagline.

15 posted on 02/10/2008 6:09:22 AM PST by SolidWood (All conservative effort into retaking Congress!)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
Anyone thinking McCain is tough on national security while he wants terrorists rights and illegal alien rights...while leaving our borders open....is really delusional.

I agree with you.

What good does it do America's safety if McLame signs an Amnesty bill and closes Gitmo?

The bigger question in my mind now is, how does the Republican party work against the guy they put into office? The answer is that they can't and they wont.

With Hitlery or Hussien Obama, the Republican party could fight against their actions, and maybe learn to put more conservatives out for us to support.

Hitlery energized the Republican party before, when she proposed National Health care. Maybe the GOP needs another wake-up call to realize how 'wacked' liberalism/socialism is.
16 posted on 02/10/2008 6:09:54 AM PST by ScubieNuc
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To: Mr. Brightside

And just why would a Democrat Senate aprove another Conservative? specially after the stolen election and you know that if McCain wins the Democrats with the MSM will be screaming STOLEN ELECTION and it will be a principal tenet of their religion thenceforth.


17 posted on 02/10/2008 6:10:30 AM PST by arthurus
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To: tips up

McC may propose at worst, at worst, a Sandra Day O’C. At best he will get Souter redux through the next Senate. No Republican will leave a USSC seat vacant in order to not have to accept what the Senate will approve.


18 posted on 02/10/2008 6:13:02 AM PST by arthurus
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To: knarf
Benedict Arnold was also a genuine war hero, who lost a leg in battle and suffered months of agonizing recovery...before he became a traitor.

"He was a war hero" is no lifetime pass or excuse for treason. I don't see anything in the Constitution about exporting democracy to the other side of the world, but defending the USA from invasion is right in it in black and white. See Article 4 Section 4 if you are not aware of this elemental fact. It will be great if we succeed in Iraq, but clearly, defending the borders of the USA from invasion is a higher priority than exporting democracy. If not, please point me to the part in the Constitution that mentions exporting democracy.

So don't listen to McCain's promises of the moment: observe his actions. This is the man John McCain chose to be his "Hispanic Outreach Director." Hernandez is a verified traitor. Born in Dallas he decided as an adult to become a dual-national Mexican citizen. His last "real" job was serving in Mexican President Vicente Fox's cabinet as his "American Reconquista Director." After that gig ran out, he worked (sic) for George Soros funded internationalist foundations, like the one that published his book.

The "New American Pioneers" proclaimed in his book are the illegal alien invaders he urges to become settlers in the USA. Hernandez believes all Mexicans and Mexican-Americans in the USA should become dual citizens and consider themselves Mexicans first, "to the 8th generation."

And this is the man McCain chose for his "Hispanic Outreach Director." In the past week he was asked about this choice, and McCain said he chose Hernandez because he agrees with his positions. If so, McCain is supporting invasion and reconquista.

Then I read our Constitution, Article 4 Section 4, and I can only conclude one thing: Juan McShamnesty is our new Benedict Arnold.

19 posted on 02/10/2008 6:14:26 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: SolidWood

28 Republicans have announced retirement or have quit. That sort of exodus has always been a sign that the party will lose big in the Congressional elections.


20 posted on 02/10/2008 6:14:57 AM PST by arthurus
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To: SolidWood

I ain’t swallowing this cr—.

McCain is insane. Where is the iron-clad guarantee that he’ll only appoint conservative judges?

There isn’t one. He’ll appoint the same liberals as Hitlery and Osama/Obama.

No more will the lib pubbies scare me into voting for their weasel with this SCOTUS threat. You lib pubbies can weasel in your nomination but you aren’t going to scare me into voting for him.


21 posted on 02/10/2008 6:15:03 AM PST by american_ranger (Never ever use DirecTV)
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To: knarf
The Senator will oppose either the first Black or Woman candidate for the Presidency, both of them liberal media darlings of the Berkeley class of politicians – make no doubt.

That's worth repeating. I'm voting for McCain if he's the nominee. I'll vote for the Huckster too if he's the nominee.

22 posted on 02/10/2008 6:17:57 AM PST by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: knarf

If Mickey Mouse could even win which he can’t because he has blown the trust of the voters of which he needed all of them not just part, he still would get into office and screw us again like he has before.


23 posted on 02/10/2008 6:21:13 AM PST by badpacifist (They say your head can be a prison Then, these are just conjugal visits.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

It’s like saying - “My wife cheats on me, refuses to fill the car with gas, yells at me, makes me sleep on the couch, doesn’t take care of herself, and doesn’t clean anything - but she makes a nice bologna sandwich, so that’s why I stay with her”

I refuse to scrape the bottom of the RNC’s barrel while they try to make us forget how embarrasingly liberal McCain is.

I’m done drinking their Kool-Aid. I don’t care who wins, if my choices are McCain and Hillary/Obama, we’ve already lost.


24 posted on 02/10/2008 6:21:36 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Never get involved in a land war in Asia.")
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To: knarf
NO... NEVER... NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! Moderates and liberals in the Republicrat Party should go to the DU to politic for juan... you will have a higher success ratio there... FR is a CONSERVATIVE site! WWRD (What Would Reagan Do?) See below in his own words... and ALL of you moderates and liberals... including mcnasty... should "GO YOUR WAY"!

"I don ‘t know about you, but I am impatient with those Republicans who after the last election rushed into print saying, “We must broaden the base of our party”—when what they meant was to fuzz up and blur even more the differences between ourselves and our opponents."

"A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers."

"I do not believe I have proposed anything that is contrary to what has been considered Republican principle. It is at the same time the very basis of conservatism. It is time to reassert that principle and raise it to full view. And if there are those who cannot subscribe to these principles, then let them go their way."

Ronald Reagan CPAC 1975

LLS

25 posted on 02/10/2008 6:23:39 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("There is no conservative alternative in the race. It's just that simple." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
" ... if my choices are McCain and Hillary/Obama, we’ve already lost."

The one, most frightening statement none of us wants to entertain.

And yet ... Damn ! ... it's true.

26 posted on 02/10/2008 6:24:15 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

I would rather expect that Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter would reemerge as conservative voices. Romney would be back ‘in play’. And, we might see the likes of Newt, Keyes, and even Ron Paul having voice in the discussion.
What would come out of it? Don’t know, can’t say. But, it would certainly be a watershed moment for the GOP; a last chance to capture the conservative mind, or wither away to a minority status that would likely destroy them for national politics for some time to come.


27 posted on 02/10/2008 6:25:10 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion)
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To: SolidWood
If mcnasty is defeated and we are able to seat Conservatives in Congress... an undeniable message will have been bronzed over the door at the “rnc”. “Rino Nutcase Crackheads)!

LLS

28 posted on 02/10/2008 6:26:54 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("There is no conservative alternative in the race. It's just that simple." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
It’s like saying - “My wife cheats on me, refuses to fill the car with gas, yells at me, makes me sleep on the couch, doesn’t take care of herself, and doesn’t clean anything - but she makes a nice bologna sandwich, so that’s why I stay with her”

Exactly!!!!!

29 posted on 02/10/2008 6:28:39 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Mr. Brightside
I would not be surprised if McSlime nominated Billy Clintooooon (or for that matter Billy and Hitlery) to the U.S.Supreme Court! He had a chance to force all nominees to a full vote of the entire Senate, but as one of the leaders of the Gang of 14 (with Graham Cracker) he killed it!

John McSlime will never get my vote! As fas as his war record, Timothy Mc Veigh also served in the military and was Honorably Discharged, but that service did not give him license for that which he was convicted.
30 posted on 02/10/2008 6:30:16 AM PST by leprechaun9
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
McCain should point out the judges other conservatives have nominated:
31 posted on 02/10/2008 6:36:07 AM PST by Dilbert56 (Harry Reid, D-Nev.: "We're going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war.")
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To: knarf

MCCAIN IS THE FRONT RUNNER, NOT THE WINNER!!!!!!

HE ONLY HAS ABOUT HALF THE DELEGATES NEEDED TO WIN!

I respect his service, but he has spent decades stabbing Republicans and conservatives in the back, and I won’t be supporting him.

If it gets down to it in Nov, I’d vote against the dems, but for now, I see Huckabee as a much better alternative.


32 posted on 02/10/2008 6:36:48 AM PST by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' grandma - multi issue voter)
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To: knarf

My Dad had 27 years in when he died in Vietnam. I’ve got 25 years in, and both my oldest daughter and son have been/are in the military. I’ll vote straight Republican - except for McCain. The big debate in my mind is ‘write-in’ or democrat.

McCain has NOT been a friend of the military while in Congress. He hasn’t lifted a finger to get more equipment, supplies, or force an increase in the size of the Army. He blocked the new air refueling tanker for a few years, so that in the end we’ll pay more and get less - although it got his name in the NYT!

He wants to win Iraq, as will Hillary once she gets in. Other than that, I don’t know how any of his positions on the GWOT differs from hers.

On judges, I do not believe for one moment that he’ll fight Ted Kennedy. He’ll reach across the aisle, and do what his real party wants.

Sorry, but I have no agreement with this email.


33 posted on 02/10/2008 6:43:06 AM PST by Mr Rogers (WIN CONGRESS! - The Presidency is already lost.)
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To: PubliusMM
So ... apparently, the hope for America (not neccessarily the Republican party), is in a brokered convention where more patriotic voices will hold and wield the power to nominate someone more in line with preserving the Republic?

How would this play out with McCain?

Would we then be faced with an intercine (new word I learned this morning) battle that might be even more devastating to America?

34 posted on 02/10/2008 7:04:00 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

Did you mean “internecine”?

I would expect a brokered convention to, at minimum, force the discussion to one of platform content, to determine more precisely the degree to which the broadest spectrum of the party can support true conservative principles.

The outcome of that discussion, that debate, will define the nature and the complexion of the present day GOP. If the picture that emerges is not suitable to a significant portion of the right wing of the party, I would not be surprised to see a wholesale migration from the GOP to somewhere else on the political landscape.

Whether that debate may be rhetorically termed internecine remains to be seen.


35 posted on 02/10/2008 7:50:46 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion)
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To: arthurus

I cannot wait until the pubbies try to filibuster a liberal SCOTUS nominee. All that Gang of 14 blather about preserving the decorum of the Senate will be thrown by the wayside. The dims will change the rules and roll the pubbies within a day. I wonder what McCain will think then? I wonder if he will understand what he has done to this nation? How he so helped to destroy the turning of the tide from within the party stand side by side with the people he betrayed until the very end.


36 posted on 02/10/2008 8:12:10 AM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: ScubieNuc

We’ve got a president right now who supports amnesty and it didn’t pass. Why would it suddenly pass with McCain in office?

The Republicans in the house are answerable to their constituents and would fight him. I’d rather fight McCain than either of the others.


37 posted on 02/10/2008 8:18:01 AM PST by FJB2
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
Anyone thinking McCain is tough on national security while he wants terrorists rights and illegal alien rights...while leaving our borders open....is really delusional

As far as illegal aliens, McCain's original proposition was far more restrictive than the blanket amnesty actually enacted by Ronald Reagan. McCain has also said that sealing the border is Priority Number One and all the other details can be argued about later AFTER the border is closed.

As far as "terrorists", anybody that equates, say, a World War II prohibition of the torture of captured Gestapo agents with a call to bug out of the European Theater altogether is being dishonest at best or irrational at worst.

Imagine each one of the Presidential candidates as Commander-in-Chief for the past year and a half:

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Obama 13 months ago:

Published Jan. 30, 2007 ...... Obama wants troops home by spring ’08 ……. Illinois senator, presidential candidate introduces bill to force redeployment

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Hillary 13 months ago:

Published January 17, 2007 ........ Hillary Clinton opposes Iraq troops 'surge'

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McCain 14 months ago:

Published December 27, 2006 ..... Novak: McCain's 'aggressive surge' stance backfiring ........ conservative columnist Robert Novak suggests that Sen. John McCain's (R-AZ) "aggressive" push for a U.S. troop expansion -- or "surge" -- in Iraq may be costing the top 2008 GOP contender in the polls, especially when matched against another presumed front-runner, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY). "The decline in the polls of [McCain], as measured against [Clinton], reflects more than declining Republican popularity ......... "It connotes public disenchantment with McCain's aggressive advocacy of a 'surge' of up to 30,000 additional U.S. troops to Iraq

"I understand the polls show only 18 percent of the American people support my position. But I have to do what's right, what I believe is right and what my experience and knowledge and background tells me is the right thing to do in order to save this situation in Iraq ... In war, my dear friends, there's no such thing as compromise. You either win or you lose." - Sen. John McCain's reaction to the Iraq Study Group Report, 2006

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Three months ago in Iraq:

Troop Surge, Iraqis’ Anger Puts al Qaeda ‘On the Run’

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During these past few days, it has become evident that many on Free Republic would rather snub McCain than win the war. Some have even written to me to the effect that it does not matter if we win or lose the war.

Well, consider these consequences of voting for Ross Perot in 1992 and ending up with Clinton in the White House for 8 years.

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February 11, 2005 .... North Korea Confirms It Has Nuclear Weapons Friday

North Korea missile test 'brings US within range'

The consequences are that, in maybe the next decade when the North Koreans further refine their missile technology, those of us who live in or near major cities on the West Coast, my family and myself included, could be obliterated in a North Korean nuclear strike if the Great Leader has a bad hair day.

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Now, let's consider the consequences of bugging out and losing the War in Iraq:

1.) The fanatical Islamist mullahs of Iran will move into the power vacuum in Iraq leaving them with military hegemony of the Persian Gulf and 70% of the World's known oil reserves.

2.) With control of 70% of the World's known oil reserves, a fanatical Islamist Iran will have control of the carotid arteries of the economies of the Western World.

3.) Islamist Iran, like North Korea and Pakistan before it, is aggressively seeking nuclear weapons and the missiles to deliver them. With control of 70% of the World's known oil reserves, Iran will most surely achieve its nuclear goals in short order by bribery or economic blackmail of the European nations and/or the Japanese and/or the Russians.

4.) After Cutting & Running from Iraq, neither the Clintons nor, especially, Obama, will do what it takes to stop Iran.

5.) At that point, in ten years, those of you who live in or near major cities of the East Coast could be obliterated in an Iranian nuclear strike if the Mullahs in Iran decide that the day for achieving Eternity in Paradise by striking at the Great Satan has finally come.

6.) The deterrence doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction worked fine with the pragmatic Soviets and the ChiComs, it will probably even work with the nutty North Koreans but "Mutually Assured Destruction" means "Winning an Eternity in Paradise" to the fanatical Islamist Mullahs of Iran.

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The current situation reminds me of "Blazing Saddles".

The town is in danger of being physically destroyed in the future. Instead of focusing on the physical safety of the town, everybody is in Church, feeling sorry for themselves, singing "our little town has turned to shit". Then they get riled up because they don't like the Sheriff who is the only one that will prevent the town from being physically destroyed.

"The Sheriff is a RI (BONG)"

"What?"

"I said the Sheriff is a RI (BONG)"

"What?"

"I said the Sheriff is a RINO!

**********

Moan and groan all you want now. It's good for you.

But, come November, think about the consequences and


38 posted on 02/10/2008 8:33:06 AM PST by Polybius
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To: ChocChipCookie
What makes you think that a progressive socialist disingenuous enough to put an R after his name would be preferable to ones that put a D after their names? McCain has lied and mislead about his conservatism in past senatorial elections then stuck a finger in the eye of conservatives as soon as sworn in.

McCain complained that Justice Alito was way too conservative a nominee. We have a much better chance of getting moderate judges with the GOP working as a loyal opposition than with GOP party leadership pressuring the Republicans to support McCain's liberal choices out of party loyalty.

39 posted on 02/10/2008 8:44:07 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: FJB2
I’d rather fight McCain than either of the others.

How does the Republican party fight the one they elect as President?

You honestly see Republicans holding up legislation from a Republican President? I don't.

If the grassroots says to the Republican party "we'll accept a liberal as President", why would the party then think that it should pursue conservative ideas?

To me, the Republican party has cemented itself into the idea that obtaining the office is more important then standing for conservative values. That IMO is no better then the Democrats doing and saying anything to gain power.

If you can support that and live with your conscience...fine, but I can't, and I won't.
40 posted on 02/10/2008 8:53:22 AM PST by ScubieNuc
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To: knarf
It's very simple. McCain is closer to my political positions than Hillary or Obama. Granted, not as close I'd like on several of them but he's the lesser of evils. So, I'll vote for him. That's being practical.

All this stuff about letting Hillary or Obama win to prove a point to the GOP is really infantile.

41 posted on 02/10/2008 8:59:46 AM PST by PFC
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To: ScubieNuc

They fight the Republican president now. They’d certainly fight McCain even more doggedly.

Talking about conscience, are you willing to pass on 6-3 court ruling striking down Roe v. Wade in favor of a 5-4 or even 6-3 cementing it? Mull over that with your conscience and see which responsibility you prefer to bear.


42 posted on 02/10/2008 9:01:29 AM PST by FJB2
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To: knarf
Good morning.
“How does a young person understand being sent to a place where every single person he confronts might want to kill him only to come home to a collection of people that openly detest his very existence?”

http://members.aol.com/viperash50/page2/myths.html

Yet today, there are, according to the site above, eight or so people claiming to be Vietnam Veterans for every real one and McCain’s history as a veteran is touted as a reason to make him president.

Weird.

Michael Frazier

43 posted on 02/10/2008 9:02:28 AM PST by brazzaville (No surrender, no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: FJB2
They’d certainly fight McCain even more doggedly.

Really? Says you, but there is no proof of that.

Talking about conscience, are you willing to pass on 6-3 court ruling striking down Roe v. Wade in favor of a 5-4 or even 6-3 cementing it?

Huh? How in the world can you assume that liberal McCain, the same McCain who opposed Bush's conservative judge nominations, would some how appoint conservative judges? That takes a leap of faith that I see absolutely no basis in reality to take.

Mull over that with your conscience and see which responsibility you prefer to bear.

I would bear no responsibility because I there is not one iota of evidence that McCain will appoint conservative judges. I bear the responsibility of standing behind people who can be trusted to supporting conservative causes (such as pre-born life) and McCain can't be trusted.
44 posted on 02/10/2008 9:20:39 AM PST by ScubieNuc
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To: ChocChipCookie

I predict people will come back to McCain once they re-experience the deviousness of the Clinton’s and the drive-by media.

If Shrill can be defeated by Obama, we’ll all be better off, IMMENSELY better off. I don’t see too many differences between Obama and McCain, but the two Clintons?


45 posted on 02/10/2008 9:26:48 AM PST by tpanther
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To: ScubieNuc

“I would bear no responsibility because I there is not one iota of evidence that McCain will appoint conservative judges. I bear the responsibility of standing behind people who can be trusted to supporting conservative causes (such as pre-born life) and McCain can’t be trusted”

I’d say his lifetime ACU rating and even his 65 this past year is more than an “iota” that would indicate that he’d nominate more conservative judges than the Dems. Pass on this opportunity and you do bear partial responsibility. The question will be “When you had the chance to do something about it what did you do?”


46 posted on 02/10/2008 10:22:07 AM PST by FJB2
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To: FJB2
The question will be “When you had the chance to do something about it what did you do?”

I wrote in the name of a conservative on my voting ballot.
47 posted on 02/10/2008 10:35:45 AM PST by ScubieNuc
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To: ScubieNuc

“I wrote in the name of a conservative on my voting ballot.”

And will that conservative be able to nominate the replacements for Ginsberg, Stevens, and one or two others?


48 posted on 02/10/2008 11:10:16 AM PST by FJB2
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To: FJB2
And will that conservative be able to nominate the replacements for Ginsberg, Stevens, and one or two others?

A couple of points:

I vote for the person who I think will best serve America. Normally I do this by voting for the person who holds more closely to my own values. This will be the first election where the only (unless Huckster pulls out a miracle) choices will be two people who don't hold values close to my own nor whom I believe will best serve America.

As to who will nominate whom for judges, that is unknown. We know Hitlery and Hussein will nominate liberals. We also know that McCain has opposed conservative judges and has liberal ideals. So to think that McCain's nominations would be conservative or do anymore good for the country then whomever I write in is without merit.

In simpler terms for you...my write in will have as much effect on the Supreme Court in a conservative way as McCain will. But let's assume for a second that McCain gets elected and nominates 'less liberal' judges. To think that Roe vs Wade won't be a litmus test to get on the Supreme Court is absurd.

To think that McCains nominations will somehow be conservative in other ways requires trusting McCain to appeal to conservatives. That too is absurd. The man who got his title 'maverick' by opposing the conservatives in his own party, will suddenly, when he holds the cards, give in to the conservatives. Yeah, riiiight.

You can keep drinking your Kool-aid, hoping for McCain to change his stripes and nominate a conservative to the Supreme Court, but I'll not take any, thank you.

Now, since you apparently don't have any real answers to my concerns and questions, but would rather just throw back questions, I will conclude that my understanding of McCain is complete and there is no over-riding reason to vote for him. If you come up with something substanative, let me know, otherwise your future 'question-answers' will be ignored.
49 posted on 02/10/2008 11:42:18 AM PST by ScubieNuc
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To: knarf

MCCAIN IS THE FRONT RUNNER, NOT THE WINNER!!!!!!

HE ONLY HAS ABOUT HALF THE DELEGATES NEEDED TO WIN!

If DUNCAN HUNTER believes Huckabee can be trusted on border/immigration and WOT issues, I would trust Duncan Hunter’s informed, educated judgment after he spent a year getting to know the candidates, more than I would trust the opinion of any of the posters on here.

I absolutely believe Huckabee would be better than McCain on border security, and a whole list of other grievances many conservatives have against McCain.

And I hate to bring up age and likeability, but don’t kid yourself that it won’t be an issue in the fall.

There are a lot of reasons I want to vote FOR Huckabee, but I also want to vote against McCain, as not acceptable for so many reasons.

Since the dems are raising lots more money, that’s another good reason to support Huck, he sure can stretch a dollar :) :)

HUCKABEE / HUNTER ‘08


50 posted on 02/10/2008 12:10:25 PM PST by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' grandma - multi issue voter)
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