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CA: Nunez takes responsibility for defeat of term limits initiative
AP on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 2/7/08 | AP

Posted on 02/07/2008 2:45:54 PM PST by NormsRevenge

Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez took responsibility for the failure of the term limits initiative on Tuesday's ballot and for not pairing it with redistricting reform.

The defeat of Proposition 93 has set in motion the process to change leadership in both houses of the Legislature.

Democrats plan to vote March 11 for a new speaker, although Democrats agreed that Nunez will stay on until the end of the legislative session in August.

Proposition 93 would have shaved two years off the maximum amount of time most lawmakers could serve. But it also would have given dozens of lawmakers a chance to extend their stays in Sacramento.

Nunez told reporters Thursday that his inability to reach a redistricting deal with Republicans led to the defeat of the term limits measure.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; defeat; nunez; prop93; responsibility; termlimits

1 posted on 02/07/2008 2:45:59 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Hope you Californians vote in a better crop this time.


2 posted on 02/07/2008 2:47:42 PM PST by rocksblues (Polls are just a Liberal way to upset Conservatives!)
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Leaders with foresight and vision do much better than those with 20/20 hindsight.

I doubt it would have mattered, fwiw.


3 posted on 02/07/2008 2:47:49 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

Nunez and Perata were the new poster children FOR term limits, as Willie Brown was of old. I guess redistricting is a convenient excuse, but hardly and explanation.


4 posted on 02/07/2008 2:48:44 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: NormsRevenge
Nunez told reporters Thursday that his inability to reach a redistricting deal with Republicans led to the defeat of the term limits measure.

It of course had nothing whatsoever to do with the personal failings of people like him and Don Perata.
5 posted on 02/07/2008 2:48:51 PM PST by ruination
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To: rocksblues

For that, we’d need a better crop of Californians.


6 posted on 02/07/2008 2:49:47 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: NormsRevenge

Nunez will run for mayor of Lost Angeles if and when Villar goes to DC or Sacramento.


7 posted on 02/07/2008 2:50:14 PM PST by purpleraine
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To: NormsRevenge

Nunez and Peralta tried to pull a fast one and almost got away with it. They tried to get the term limits “reform” and not give the redistricting promised and it blew up in the faces.

I would have voted for Proposition 93 if it affected only those individuals elected to office AFTER it passed, meaning those who were to be term limited out would BE term limited out. This measure insulted our intelligence.

I hope future investigations into the corruption of these two beasts leads to another type of “term limit” for both of them.


8 posted on 02/07/2008 2:52:14 PM PST by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: purpleraine

That’s what I would suspect as his career path. He can finish the potholes project.. with corks from all the fine wines he has sampled the last couple years on his European soirees..


9 posted on 02/07/2008 2:52:41 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

Well, unfortunately those currently in Sacrament are full of crop. We’ll do the best we can. I’m sure the state GOP leadership is looking for a few good RINOs right about now though.


10 posted on 02/07/2008 2:54:32 PM PST by DoughtyOne (That's right John McStain, you'll get my vote when you peel it from my cold dead fingers.)
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To: Right Cal Gal

There is hope that eventually Fabian will get docked for all his dubious expenses on his travels and also that the FBI and a GRand Jury will finally take Perata to town for his family influence peddling enterprise.


11 posted on 02/07/2008 2:54:49 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: Right Cal Gal

I read a story from CA that the initiative had a good chance until Arnold who ran on term limits changed his mind.


12 posted on 02/07/2008 2:55:09 PM PST by rocksblues (Polls are just a Liberal way to upset Conservatives!)
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To: BibChr

we’d need a better crop of Californians.

Yup.


13 posted on 02/07/2008 2:55:31 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: DoughtyOne

I’m sure the state GOP leadership is looking for a few good RINOs right about now though.

well, let’s hope at least some primaries are held where conservative candidates are allowed to run this go around..


14 posted on 02/07/2008 2:57:35 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge
An excellent reason to go to the polls even though the Presidential choice might have to be choked down. There are other issues that the Libs will shove down our throats if we aren’t there to oppose them.
15 posted on 02/07/2008 2:58:22 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Thanks Mom for not considering me a "choice".)
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To: ruination

It only goes to show how completely out of touch Nunez really is - I didn’t see a single commercial touching on the “redistricting” issue that had originally been tied to the change in term limits - I heard about that because Brian Sussman brought it to my attention and I did the research on my own. I see that Nunez attempts to blame the eeeevil Repubicans.

His real problem, probably, is that the Senate Seat for his district isn’t open this election and he was counting on 93 passing so that he could have a job for the next two years.

And ARNOLD should be effin’ ashamed of himself for supporting this measure without the concommitant redistricting that had been promised.


16 posted on 02/07/2008 2:58:24 PM PST by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

That would be a good start.


17 posted on 02/07/2008 2:59:06 PM PST by DoughtyOne (That's right John McStain, you'll get my vote when you peel it from my cold dead fingers.)
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To: Right Cal Gal
I would have voted for Proposition 93 if it affected only those individuals elected to office AFTER it passed, meaning those who were to be term limited out would BE term limited out. This measure insulted our intelligence.

Same here. They tried to pull a fast one.

18 posted on 02/07/2008 3:00:10 PM PST by I Drive Too Fast
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To: NormsRevenge

You’re swinging an awfully broad brush there Norm.....


19 posted on 02/07/2008 3:00:33 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Thanks Mom for not considering me a "choice".)
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To: DoughtyOne

You know, I thought there was a brief, very brief, two-year period where one or both of our Cali legislative houses went Republican for two years. Or maybe I just dreamed it.


20 posted on 02/07/2008 3:00:52 PM PST by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: Ben Mugged

Hey, let’s leave broads out of this OK. ;-)

It was a reply to another’s comment , btw. :-)


21 posted on 02/07/2008 3:04:34 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: Right Cal Gal

Well it did until one of the RINO republicans sided with Willie Brown and blocked the Republican takeover for all but about ten minutes of the two years.

I’m not actually sure if the Republicans ever did get control at all. If so, it was essentially meaningless.

Willie was as slick or slicker a player than the Clintons.

I used to have a co-worker who was connected to politics and insiders in the Capital of Ca. She told one time that Willie actually hit a pedestrian in a cross walk one time, and not a word of it appeared in the press.

That’s a pretty good trick.

Willie was for decades the most powerful politician west of the Mississippi IMO.


22 posted on 02/07/2008 3:06:27 PM PST by DoughtyOne (That's right John McStain, you'll get my vote when you peel it from my cold dead fingers.)
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To: rocksblues
Don't count on it. The idiot democrats that infest this state can not ever do the right thing.
23 posted on 02/07/2008 3:07:52 PM PST by chaos_5 (McStain and Suckabee 2008)
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To: NormsRevenge

He will be the next Mayor of Los Angeles after Antonio goes to D.C. for delivery CA for Hillary.


24 posted on 02/07/2008 3:10:25 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: DoughtyOne

One of my friend’s husband was a top-level manager at San Francisco International Airport.

He told me that Willie Brown was one of the most corrupt individuals in California politics, but had hidden everything so well no one would ever find it.


25 posted on 02/07/2008 3:29:06 PM PST by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: Right Cal Gal

Your friend’s husband was right. I don’t think you’ll find too many conservatiives in California who would disagree.


26 posted on 02/07/2008 3:30:43 PM PST by DoughtyOne (That's right John McStain, you'll get my vote when you peel it from my cold dead fingers.)
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To: DoughtyOne
“Well it did until one of the RINO republicans sided with Willie Brown and blocked the Republican takeover for all but about ten minutes of the two years.”

Yes, the Republicans took control of the state assembly, with a 1 vote majority. Then Willie Brown bribed “Republican” Paul Horcher into voting for him. Horcher was promptly recalled and kicked out of offfice, though if I remember correctly Brown did get him a nice paying paying government job for a while.

Then next Democrat trick was to make a deal with a Republican of their choosing (I don’t remember her name right now) to be Assembly leader, and cast all their votes for her, giving her the job over the Republican choice. She shouldn’t have been too surprised when she in turn lost a recall collection, and the Republicans finally controlled the assembly for like 1 year.

27 posted on 02/07/2008 4:33:52 PM PST by Moral Hazard (John McCain is the worst Republican candidate, except for the other two)
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To: DoughtyOne

Heck, apparently the scum bag has a website.

http://www.paulhorcher.com/pages/index.php?page_id=6


28 posted on 02/07/2008 4:35:53 PM PST by Moral Hazard (John McCain is the worst Republican candidate, except for the other two)
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To: Moral Hazard

Thanks MH. It had been a while and I didn’t remember the nitty gritty.


29 posted on 02/07/2008 4:39:25 PM PST by DoughtyOne (That's right McStain, you'll get my vote when you peel it from my cold dead fingers.)
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To: Moral Hazard


Yep, here's the weasle pictured with Willie Brown.
 
Horcher on the right.
30 posted on 02/07/2008 4:42:02 PM PST by DoughtyOne (That's right McStain, you'll get my vote when you peel it from my cold dead fingers.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Hah, I got a kick out of this. He list’s his experience as a “statesman.” Not for some reason he ceased getting elected to anything after 1994, and his bizarre ending date for his time in office “California State Legislature Dec. 1990 - May 1995.”

This was followed by some nice government work in the bay area (despite his being from Diamond Bar), which of course happens to be Willie Brown’s neck of the wood.

Oh, and nowhere does he mention that he was elected as a Republican, and the picture on the page is of him and Willie Brown.

http://www.paulhorcher.com/pages/index.php?page_id=8

31 posted on 02/07/2008 4:42:54 PM PST by Moral Hazard (John McCain is the worst Republican candidate, except for the other two)
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To: Moral Hazard

Thanks for that additional information.

I had noticed that heading on the left “Statesman”. Riiiight...


32 posted on 02/07/2008 4:45:57 PM PST by DoughtyOne (That's right McStain, you'll get my vote when you peel it from my cold dead fingers.)
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To: Moral Hazard

Doris Allen was Willie’s bribe-o-babe.


33 posted on 02/07/2008 4:49:17 PM PST by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: DoughtyOne
The true indicator of just how powerful Willie Brown really was : Brown was the number one recipient of Tobacco money over a ten year period.

The big tobacco companies donated more money to him than to any other elected official in the entire country. That includes governors and U.S. Senators from the big tobacco states.

"The Maestro"

34 posted on 02/07/2008 4:51:35 PM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: BibChr

Looking at that pic of your beautiful family... I’d say we have some pretty great Californians... we’re just outnumbered!


35 posted on 02/07/2008 4:51:55 PM PST by antceecee (where do we go from here Ollie?.)
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To: Cyropaedia

Compared to him, Jackson and Sharpton are amatures.

Good point Cyropaedia.


36 posted on 02/07/2008 4:59:58 PM PST by DoughtyOne (That's right McStain, you'll get my vote when you peel it from my cold dead fingers.)
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To: antceecee

Thank you very much

and

grossly!

(Respectively)


37 posted on 02/07/2008 5:30:38 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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