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South Dakota House supports guns on college campuses ("The House voted 63-3...")
Sioux City Journal ^ | Feb 5, 2008 | NA

Posted on 02/05/2008 4:45:06 PM PST by neverdem

PIERRE, S.D. (AP) -- A measure allowing law-abiding people to carry guns on the campuses of South Dakota's public universities was approved Monday by the state House of Representatives.

The House voted 63-3 to send the measure to the Senate after supporters said allowing students, faculty members and others to carry guns would help deter mass shootings.

"The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," said Rep. Thomas Brunner, R-Nisland, the main sponsor of the bill.

HB1261 would prevent colleges and technical schools from restricting the right to carry or possess a firearm. Schools could require that guns kept in dormitories be stored in a locked gun safe.

The state Board of Regents, which governs South Dakota's six public universities, has opposed the measure, arguing that allowing students and faculty members to carry guns could make campuses more dangerous. If armed students or teachers exchange gunfire with a madman in a classroom or sports arena, more bystanders could be killed or injured in the crossfire, university officials said.

Only one other state, Utah, authorizes weapons on college campuses, university officials told lawmakers last week.

Brunner said he has two daughters in college, and one who just turned 18 wants a permit to carry a concealed weapon because she has to walk a half mile to her dormitory after parking her car. If criminals know law-abiding citizens might be armed, they will be less likely to consider attacking someone, he said.

Brunner said most mass shootings in recent years have occurred in areas where guns are prohibited. Murderers, such as the disturbed student at Virginia Tech last year, were able to kill many people because no one else was armed, he said.

One of lawmakers to vote against the bill, Rep. Larry Lucas, D-Mission, said he believes encouraging students to carry guns on campus could result in more people getting hurt or killed.

And Rep. Bill Thompson, D-Sioux Falls, said he is worried that encouraging guns on campus could lead to more murders, accidental shootings and suicides.

However, House Republican Leader Larry Rhoden of Union Center said the bill does not encourage students to carry guns. It merely confirms that students have the same constitutional rights as anyone else to bear arms, he said.

Rep. Manny Steele, R-Sioux Falls, said the guard who shot and wounded a gunman at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs in December helped save lives.

"I would certainly feel considerably safer knowing that law-abiding citizens could carry guns," Steele said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: South Dakota
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Madman in a sports arena, hmmm?

1 posted on 02/05/2008 4:45:10 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Good work guys


2 posted on 02/05/2008 4:46:32 PM PST by SoDak (Anyone but Obama)
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To: neverdem

Hooray for South Dakota


3 posted on 02/05/2008 4:47:12 PM PST by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: neverdem

“The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” said Rep. Thomas Brunner, R-Nisland..

I like this guy..


4 posted on 02/05/2008 4:48:52 PM PST by silentreignofheroes (I'm Southron,,,and I Vote..,,,,.A Saint I Ain't,,,The South Will Rise Again,,!)
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To: neverdem

Good pro-Second Amendment legislation.


5 posted on 02/05/2008 4:49:23 PM PST by Baladas
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To: silentreignofheroes

Profound and dead on.


6 posted on 02/05/2008 4:51:03 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: neverdem
Maybe there are some sound minds in politics........
7 posted on 02/05/2008 4:53:13 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: neverdem

Pack the bags honey, a decent state has just appeared on the horizon.


8 posted on 02/05/2008 4:58:59 PM PST by DoughtyOne (McCain: RNC will adore him. Get ready for McCain day in photos & Prayer threads. Furball isle 08.)
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To: neverdem
"One of lawmakers to vote against the bill, Rep. Larry Lucas, D-Mission, said he believes encouraging students to carry guns on campus could result in more Bad people getting hurt or killed."

fly over country is becoming more consistent...Larry?I ficked it fer yah, kiss my axe

9 posted on 02/05/2008 5:00:48 PM PST by Minnesoootan
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To: DoughtyOne

I thought that but it sure is cold in the winter.


10 posted on 02/05/2008 5:01:11 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: Joe Brower

Bang


11 posted on 02/05/2008 5:02:46 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: neverdem
However, House Republican Leader Larry Rhoden of Union Center said the bill does not encourage students to carry guns. It merely confirms that students have the same constitutional rights as anyone else to bear arms, he said.

wimpy but refreshing

12 posted on 02/05/2008 5:03:10 PM PST by Minnesoootan
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To: silentreignofheroes

“The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,”

Quote of the year.


13 posted on 02/05/2008 5:03:49 PM PST by fishhound
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To: DoughtyOne

“Pack the bags honey, a decent state has just appeared on the horizon.”

It’s also a state where every federal representative is a Democrat, so it’s not exactly perfect.


14 posted on 02/05/2008 5:04:32 PM PST by Moral Hazard (Mitt Romney is the worst Republican candidate, except for the other three.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

That statement stuckout like a sore thumb,,got propety outside Stockton , you close..?


15 posted on 02/05/2008 5:05:07 PM PST by silentreignofheroes (I'm Southron,,,and I Vote..,,,,.A Saint I Ain't,,,The South Will Rise Again,,!)
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To: neverdem

One of lawmakers to vote against the bill, Rep. Larry Lucas, D-Mission, said he believes encouraging students to carry guns on campus could result in more people getting hurt or killed.

Hey Larry...there are more accidents in swiming and biking....

that’s right out of a standard hunter safety course.


16 posted on 02/05/2008 5:06:59 PM PST by fishhound
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To: fishhound

Good Tagline,,


17 posted on 02/05/2008 5:07:35 PM PST by silentreignofheroes (I'm Southron,,,and I Vote..,,,,.A Saint I Ain't,,,The South Will Rise Again,,!)
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To: Moral Hazard

Unpack the bags honey. They’ve got termites up there too.

LOL


18 posted on 02/05/2008 5:11:01 PM PST by DoughtyOne (McCain: RNC will adore him. Get ready for McCain day in photos & Prayer threads. Furball isle 08.)
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To: Moral Hazard
It’s also a state where every federal representative is a Democrat, so it’s not exactly perfect.

If their House can vote 63-3 for this bill I think the future of South Dakota looks very bright indeed. Some of those House members will seek state wide office in the future.

19 posted on 02/05/2008 5:12:19 PM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: neverdem

I’ve been wanting to move to that state, it just those winters... tough on Florida boy.


20 posted on 02/05/2008 5:15:53 PM PST by MrPiper
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To: neverdem

That’s it, I’m moving to South Dakota. I love cold weather anyway.


21 posted on 02/05/2008 5:16:09 PM PST by mrsmel
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To: MrPiper
I'm a Mississippi girl, and I love cold weather, not that I've gotten to experience much. (We have the A/C on now, it's so humid, and almost in the 70s). But I admire that Mississippi did let the citizens vote on our flag.
22 posted on 02/05/2008 5:18:05 PM PST by mrsmel
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To: neverdem

If I decide to go to college, I’m going to Utah, or this fine state if it gets done whenever.


23 posted on 02/05/2008 5:18:55 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: neverdem
If armed students or teachers exchange gunfire with a madman in a classroom or sports arena, more bystanders could be killed or injured in the crossfire, university officials said.

Easily controlled: require marksmanship training and

Practice
Practice
Practice

And require frangible ammunition (Glasers, etc.) for on-campus carry...

In other words, practice real gun control!

24 posted on 02/05/2008 5:20:59 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: neverdem
A measure allowing law-abiding people to carry guns on the campuses of South Dakota's public universities was approved Monday by the state House of Representatives.

Wow! That is good news indeed..........

Makes me want to consider moving there for not only the pheasant hunting but their gun friendliness........

25 posted on 02/05/2008 5:22:57 PM PST by Hot Tabasco ( Don’t go messing with Smokey Taylor. He just bought a whole bunch of fresh ammo.)
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To: neverdem
If armed students or teachers exchange gunfire with a madman in a classroom or sports arena, more bystanders could be killed or injured in the crossfire,

LOL! I'd rather be caught in a cross fire than the direct target of an unopposed shooter anytime.......

26 posted on 02/05/2008 5:25:54 PM PST by Hot Tabasco ( Don’t go messing with Smokey Taylor. He just bought a whole bunch of fresh ammo.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Better take your mukluks, I’ve lived there and it is COOOLLLDD. Hunting is pretty darn good though.


27 posted on 02/05/2008 5:29:19 PM PST by driftdiver
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Billary might take one in the solar plexus tonight. Get ready for a Michael Dukakis with more pigment.

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28 posted on 02/05/2008 5:31:01 PM PST by neverdem (I have to hope for a brokered GOP Convention. It can't get any worse.)
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To: silentreignofheroes

yeah,
it’s pure you can’t reduce it any smaller and it you can’t mistake what it means.


29 posted on 02/05/2008 5:51:41 PM PST by fishhound
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To: DaveLoneRanger

ping


30 posted on 02/05/2008 6:01:10 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: neverdem

Any good performing arts colleges there? My daughter needs a safe place to go ... she’s looking at NYU and CMU right now.


31 posted on 02/05/2008 6:37:55 PM PST by lkco (Go Dino!)
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To: lkco
Any good performing arts colleges there? My daughter needs a safe place to go ... she’s looking at NYU and CMU right now.

I'm in and from NYC. Sorry, but the performing arts are the least of my interests.

32 posted on 02/05/2008 7:02:19 PM PST by neverdem (I have to hope for a brokered GOP Convention. It can't get any worse.)
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To: neverdem

GRRRRREAT news! WOOOOHOOOO! Thanks for posting.


33 posted on 02/05/2008 7:06:39 PM PST by PGalt
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To: driftdiver

Too many dems. Count me out, he said from California. LOL


34 posted on 02/05/2008 7:14:57 PM PST by DoughtyOne (McCain: RNC will adore him. Get ready for McCain day in photos & Prayer threads. Furball isle 08.)
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To: silentreignofheroes
Good Tagline,,

My thought exactly....

35 posted on 02/05/2008 8:36:58 PM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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To: Moral Hazard
It’s also a state where every federal representative is a Democrat, so it’s not exactly perfect.

Gee...I wonder if John Thune knows that he's changed parties to become a RAT? John is a very fine Republican Senator from SD.

36 posted on 02/05/2008 9:09:17 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: neverdem; basil

Our SAS State Coord gave testimony to the House to help get this bill passed....Yeah!


37 posted on 02/05/2008 9:12:11 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
“Gee...I wonder if John Thune knows that he’s changed parties to become a RAT? John is a very fine Republican Senator from SD.”

My apologies, I got my Dakotas mixed up.

38 posted on 02/05/2008 9:14:26 PM PST by Moral Hazard (Mitt Romney is the worst Republican candidate, except for the other three.)
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To: fishhound

Yuppies should listen up. Swimming and biking are more dangerous to participate in than hunting. So put down the bikes and the flippers and pick up the gun :D


39 posted on 02/05/2008 9:16:56 PM PST by TypeZoNegative (I'm An American Engaged To Another American, we're not a mixed couple.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
Will wonders never cease.

It's good to see that there are still a few places in the U.S. where they still know what it is to truly be "free men".

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

40 posted on 02/06/2008 5:43:00 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: neverdem

I told my wife that we needed to move to SD instead of back to MN.


41 posted on 02/06/2008 5:53:42 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Joe Brower; hiredhand

Wow !

Good News !


42 posted on 02/06/2008 5:54:27 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: neverdem
If armed students or teachers exchange gunfire with a madman in a classroom or sports arena, more bystanders could be killed or injured in the crossfire, university officials said.

More than the 32 that were systematically murdered at Virginia Tech? </sarc>

43 posted on 02/06/2008 6:08:12 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


44 posted on 02/06/2008 6:38:45 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Joe Brower
When I was at the University of Alabama in the late 1970's almost all my friend's who were seniors had ccw permits issued by the Tuscaloosa Chief of Police and we all carried on campus. Guns were forbidden in the dorms but otherwise it was cool. Had Virginia Tech been pulled at Bama back then, the cops would have been needed for the paperwork and clean up duties. The Army & Air Force corps of cadets would've shredded any active shooter. We seniors ready to graduate and be commissioned were already fully trained in both the hardware and the tactics.

I can't believe that in the time since I graduated and was commissioned in 1980, the University has nearly thrown army ROTC off campus (from having the largest noncompulsory ROTC program in the South when I was there) and gone uber liberal in so many ways. Remember this is a campus that fielded a force to repel an invading union army during the Civil War and that force consisted of boys from the corps of cadets. They weren't exactly victorious, but they fought with honor and pride.

I think the Universities have filled their administrations with carpetbaggers & scalawags!

45 posted on 02/06/2008 6:49:59 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Joe Brower

After yesterday’s election results, I was convinced everyone was brain dead.

Thank goodness some people are kind of getting it right!


46 posted on 02/06/2008 7:04:28 AM PST by Califreak (Hangin' with Hunter-under the bus "Dread and Circuses")
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To: Squantos
Yeah.. :-) I read this! ...people who understand human nature and the truth! Good on them!
47 posted on 02/06/2008 7:42:36 AM PST by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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To: neverdem
Rep. Larry Lucas, D-Mission, said he believes encouraging students to carry guns on campus could result in more people getting hurt or killed.

Can't wait for the day when lawyers start suing these 'believers of nonsense' for their part in keeping criminals safe from harm and complicity with high crime rates in general.

"Well, Senator Squirreldick, this courts finds that your legislation places you and the other signatories (in favor of such), at risk for claims of monetary relief by the defendents whose family members got all shot-up in the mall last month." "Hope yours and their insurance policies are current, in good standing, and well, very large."

Eliminating barriers-to-entry for the criminal class ought to be, well...criminal.

48 posted on 02/06/2008 8:31:02 AM PST by budwiesest (California Condor is a dumpster diver.)
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To: lkco

I’d recommend Hunter college, but my friend goes there and he’s a bit of a womanizer.


49 posted on 02/06/2008 10:16:43 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: All
"The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," said Rep. Thomas Brunner, R-Nisland, the main sponsor of the bill.

Please be aware that Mr. Brunner stole that quote from SAS's own Nancy First! She was quoted in this very newspaper only a few days back--and has made that statement many times while reporting for SAS!Nancy has been at the forefront of the 2A battle in South Dakota for many years, and was very instrumental in getting Senator Thune elected.


50 posted on 02/06/2008 10:37:37 AM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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