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What can be done to stop open borders if we get an open borders President?

Posted on 01/29/2008 8:45:57 PM PST by cradle of freedom

What can we do should an amnesty/open-borders candidate win the Presidency? Can we go to the Supreme Court to make the President and Congress obey the law which demands that we protect our national sovereignty? Does anyone know of any other remedy should an amnesty bill be passed?


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KEYWORDS: amnesty; illegalimmigration; illegalinvaders; illegalinvasion; mccain
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1 posted on 01/29/2008 8:45:59 PM PST by cradle of freedom
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To: cradle of freedom

I’m stocking up.


2 posted on 01/29/2008 8:46:48 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: cradle of freedom

What kind of a question is that?

WE HAVE ONE NOW!!


3 posted on 01/29/2008 8:47:04 PM PST by JRochelle
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To: cradle of freedom

Move!


4 posted on 01/29/2008 8:47:07 PM PST by blondee123 (We need a TRUE CONSERVATIVE, NOT A PC WHIMP!)
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To: cradle of freedom

The individual states would have to act, if they have the guts to do so.


5 posted on 01/29/2008 8:47:19 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: JRochelle

Amen!


6 posted on 01/29/2008 8:47:33 PM PST by inkling (exurbanleague.com)
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To: cradle of freedom
What can we do should an amnesty/open-borders candidate win the Presidency?

An open borders President with a Dim congress.

About the only thing the peeples could do is march on DC and shut the entire town down.

I would not hold my breath on that one.

7 posted on 01/29/2008 8:47:48 PM PST by technomage (Radical Islam gives me the urge to go to the bathroom and drop a big mohammed!)
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To: cradle of freedom

Revolution.


8 posted on 01/29/2008 8:48:07 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: cradle of freedom
What can we do should an amnesty/open-borders candidate win the Presidency

What are you talking about? We already had two in a row.

You have to fight them politically like when that crappy and wrong bill came out.

9 posted on 01/29/2008 8:48:53 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: cradle of freedom

Unfortunately, there’s not much hope. The Democratic majorities will likely be much more substantial after the next election, and the White House will be occupied by McCain or a Democrat. I’m not sure enough Americans have the stomach or time to continue the anti-amnesty battle. Prepare for a new country that looks radically different than it even does today.


10 posted on 01/29/2008 8:48:58 PM PST by Azzurri
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To: cradle of freedom

There was a guy who wrote in to the Dallas Morning News yesterday saying, “We can learn English if it’ll make you feel better, but it just means that it will be English-speaking children of Spanish-speaking illegal immigrants who WILL be taking over your country.” Only one letter, obviously, but electing McCain doesn’t exactly help.


11 posted on 01/29/2008 8:49:07 PM PST by Rastus
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To: cradle of freedom

Last I heard there are three branches of Government, the President not being a Dictator, can be stopped by either one of those other two branches, just like the current president was.


12 posted on 01/29/2008 8:49:31 PM PST by pennboricua
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To: pennboricua

That’s not counting for democratic congressmen, RINOs, and activist judges.


13 posted on 01/29/2008 8:50:29 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: Shadow44
Revolution

Oh so true!!!

14 posted on 01/29/2008 8:51:02 PM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: pennboricua

“Can be” does not equal “will.”


15 posted on 01/29/2008 8:51:20 PM PST by pcottraux (I can't tell the difference between Carl Cameron, Chris Wallace, or Bill McCuddy.)
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To: cradle of freedom

Nothing. I know that because that’s what’s been done since President Reagan signed the first amnesty bill.


16 posted on 01/29/2008 8:51:36 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: cradle of freedom

Si Amnestidad, viva McCain!...err...

Not much, keep in mind all of the heat that was generated last summer only forced Senators to switch their votes, not their philosophy, Open Borders and Amnesty is what is for supper..


17 posted on 01/29/2008 8:53:09 PM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: cradle of freedom
That would depend on if the Court took the case. No matter who gets elected, the re will be libs put on the court. And if either lib is elected you know! Ginsberg and Stevens will retire immediately.
18 posted on 01/29/2008 8:53:32 PM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican! GoHunter.08)
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To: jwalsh07

“The [immigration] bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs.”
—Ted Kennedy, 1965

“This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens.
We will secure the borders henceforth.
We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.”
—Ted Kennedy, 1986

“Now it is time for action. 2007 is the year we must fix our broken system.”
—Ted Kennedy, 2007


19 posted on 01/29/2008 8:54:02 PM PST by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: cradle of freedom

First thing is we eliminate Secret Service protection and fences around the White House since they think just cameras work.


20 posted on 01/29/2008 8:54:13 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: cradle of freedom

We are guaranteed to have a President who is soft on illegal aliens. All remaining candidates [R or D] will betray us on this issue.

I am angry beyond words that we are in this position. Getting the illegal invasion under control is of critical importance and it will be all over but the crying in another 8 years.


21 posted on 01/29/2008 8:55:46 PM PST by Route66 (America's Main Street - - - Conservative Candidate Wanted... Conservative resume required.)
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To: cradle of freedom

Better bring your lunch and a lantern. It’ll be a long day.


22 posted on 01/29/2008 8:55:54 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: cradle of freedom
If?

We’ve had nearly eight years of an amnesty cheerleader and open borders shill.

Eight more years won’t be any different than the last.

So just dig your heels in and fight every inch of the way as we’re unrelentingly drawn into the black abyss that will be Amexico...

23 posted on 01/29/2008 8:56:32 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Now would be preferable otherwise they will have been throughly infiltrated and subdued, without a single shot having been expended. Guts? You mean the fleshy pieces of anatomy lacking in almost every politician? They have those nasty things removed when they get in office, like a meddlesome appendix or adenoids. I live on the line, if I lived close to Mexico I would head out, now.


24 posted on 01/29/2008 8:57:18 PM PST by Xenophon450 (I guess I'll never know, some things under the sun can never be understood...)
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To: cradle of freedom

“What can be done to stop open borders if we get an open borders President?”

God help us but...may be time to get Jeffersonian on someone’s backside.


25 posted on 01/29/2008 8:57:38 PM PST by Grunthor (No Juan. No Huckaliar. NO JUDY! Not primary, not general, not ever.)
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To: cradle of freedom
What can we do should an amnesty/open-borders candidate win the Presidency?

Learn Spanish.

Se Hablo Espanol?

26 posted on 01/29/2008 8:58:52 PM PST by WOSG (RINO MCCAIN DOESNT FIT - VOTE FOR MITT.)
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To: cradle of freedom

We all have a responsiblity to send only strong border Senators and Representatives to Washington.


27 posted on 01/29/2008 8:59:08 PM PST by Martins kid
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To: cradle of freedom
The race isn't over yet.

Support Mitt Romney. Better a convert than a traitor.

28 posted on 01/29/2008 9:00:00 PM PST by WOSG (RINO MCCAIN DOESNT FIT - VOTE FOR MITT.)
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To: cradle of freedom
As I stated on another thread...it won't matter what legislation gets passed because the "anchor babies" will be voting soon. It will mean the death of the conservative movement.

FYI..for all you pro-McCain people who touted his 100% Pro-Life record and distrusted Romney because of his flip...Despite the words we hear about the hispanics being pro-life, catholic, family oriented ect..The non-cuban hispanics vote overwhelmingly for pro-abortion leftist democrats. In fact, there is only one hispanic Pro-life Democrat in the entire Congress (Silvestre Reyes TX)..the rest are all 100% with Naral.

29 posted on 01/29/2008 9:00:06 PM PST by Fast Ed97 (Trad Catholic supporting a Mormon for Prez!)
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To: cradle of freedom

What can we do? We could stop doing the work Americans have been willing to do. Shut down all commerce in the country, bring the government to its knees. Cut off their source of funding and see how long it takes them to get their thinking straight.

This has always been a dream of mine, nationwide work stoppages to affect real change. Make the political class bastards squirm.


30 posted on 01/29/2008 9:00:49 PM PST by upsdriver (Thank you, Duncan Hunter! ! Like Ronald Reagan, you make me proud to be an American!)
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To: cradle of freedom

Nothing.


31 posted on 01/29/2008 9:00:55 PM PST by madison10
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To: NewRomeTacitus

I’m far from an alarmist but I’m going with what you said. It will probably come down to that anyway.


32 posted on 01/29/2008 9:01:33 PM PST by Twink
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To: cradle of freedom

Here’s the option which comes to my mind:

Mass civil disobedience.

Legal American citizens need to gather in the thousands, perhaps in the millions, along the border. Quietly and dignified, like the famous March on Washington. Move up to the border crossings in San Diego and El Paso and Blaine, Washington, walk up to the border posts, and sit down and refuse to move until the government starts implementing the existing immigration laws and stop illegal immigration.

Find out where illegals gather for jobs. Quietly and with dignity, marching in unison, with thousands of people in attendence, go to those places and sit down. Hand out flyers shaming those who hire illegals and refuse to move until the government starts implementing the existing immigration laws and stop illegal immigration.

Stage mass disobedience at workplaces, industries, and farms who willingly hire illegals. Sit down at the entrance to those places and refuse to move until the government starts implementing the existing immigration laws and stop illegal immigration.

Find out which countries encourage illegal immigration. Surround the embassies and offices of those countries and sit down and refuse to move until our government starts implementing the existing immigration laws and stop illegal immigration.

Follow up mass civil disobedience with targeted boycotts.

Find out who hires illegals. Make those industries, workplaces, and farms known and stage boycotts. As always, present the boycott in light of larger issues of illegal immigration.

Remember that nothing works better than ridicule.

Advertise to Americans that they should illegally move to countries who willingly allow illegal immigration to the United States. Pass out brochures advising Americans how to do this. Sell phony land deeds. Tell the media that Americans are merely doing the work that the people in those countries can’t do since they’re illegally migrating to the United States. Use razor-sharp satire to demonstrate the bigotry, stupidity, and sheer nuttiness of open-border advocates.

What would Mexico do if a million Americans decided to silently march across the bridge at Brownsville to protest illegal immigration?

Think conservatively, but act liberally. Sort of like a bumper sticker I read once.


33 posted on 01/29/2008 9:01:47 PM PST by redpoll
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To: cradle of freedom
...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
34 posted on 01/29/2008 9:04:47 PM PST by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: cradle of freedom
Elect solid conservatives in Congress, in your state, and in your town.

Even if you don’t like the POTUS nominee, please vote this November. Write in/protest vote/leave blank the POTUS vote, but VOTE.

If McCain/Hillary/Obama/Huckabee win (either I would consider an ‘open borders’ President) we need the leverage of good conservative representatives in other offices.

VOTE IN NOVEMBER!!!!

35 posted on 01/29/2008 9:05:26 PM PST by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal."NapoleonD (nocrybabyconservatives))
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To: cradle of freedom

When the borders are eliminated there will no longer be border jumpers . Your elected officials have brought you this solution .


36 posted on 01/29/2008 9:06:33 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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To: WOSG

Amen


37 posted on 01/29/2008 9:08:16 PM PST by libbylu (Smitten I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR MCCAIN OR HUCK..THEY CALLED ME RACIST/BIGOT)
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To: Martins kid

I live in NJ... not gonna happen.

:(


38 posted on 01/29/2008 9:08:59 PM PST by KarenMarie
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To: cradle of freedom

Seriously, there’s been no historical precedence for the scenario we’re being set up for: an escalated invasion of illegals from South of our border studiously ignored by a majority population because that populace has been trained over many years to believe that it’s technical, sociological and ideological achievements are doubtable because they didn’t actively factor in people from primitive and less structured societies who happened to be different shades, lesser ethics and savage values.

“Oh, he shot up the pre-school but he came from Columbia. Bless his heart and let’s get that poor oppressed fellow a fund for his defense.”

I’ve had it with this garbage. America seems determined to backtrack to destruction while its leadership kowtows to ridiculous theories of political correctness - the same trash their children are subjected to in the public schools by people who couldn’t feed themselves on an honest wage in any other field.

The “sense of shame” has apparently vanished with the long missed “common sense”.


39 posted on 01/29/2008 9:09:06 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: cradle of freedom

Zip, nada, zilch, nothing, unless you’re willing to participate in a 2nd American Revolution.


40 posted on 01/29/2008 9:11:18 PM PST by penowa
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To: cradle of freedom

It MUST stop!

My wife and I just watched a sweet little movie “Waitress,” written and directed by Adrienne Shelley who also played a role. A VERY talented lady.

She was MURDERED in her NY apartment on November 1, 2006, found by her husband hanging by a sheet from a shower rod.

A 19 YEAR OLD EQUADORIAN — who should never have even been in the country — CONFESSED TO HER MURDER. HE WAS AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.

They are killing 25 of us every day.


41 posted on 01/29/2008 9:13:54 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: cradle of freedom

Oh yeah. Forgot to mention that Adrienne was 40 and had a 2 year-old daughter.


42 posted on 01/29/2008 9:16:25 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: cradle of freedom

We already have an open borders President and his amnesty plan was stopped.


43 posted on 01/29/2008 9:19:37 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: cradle of freedom

Downticket Conservative Republican voting . It’s the only way to stop McPain and/or Hitlary


44 posted on 01/29/2008 9:23:13 PM PST by Neu Pragmatist (McPain = Amnesty . Downticket Republican voting only .)
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To: cradle of freedom

Picketing and boycotting of employers of illegal aliens?


45 posted on 01/29/2008 9:23:38 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: JRochelle

True.


46 posted on 01/29/2008 9:23:51 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: cradle of freedom

Order Rosettastone Spanish!!!


47 posted on 01/29/2008 9:23:59 PM PST by dusttoyou (FRED 08, heard it here first, now time to give Mitt a checkout)
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To: All
RE: What can be done even if amnesty/open-borders becomes law?

Years ago some seniors showed how to get a law repealed.

Try the Rostenkowski gambit. It's an old trick but it might work again.

I still remember the images. It was like a scene from a Monty Python movie!

48 posted on 01/29/2008 9:25:16 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: cradle of freedom

I’m not optimistic right now. Certainly Romney would be a better pick than McCain.


49 posted on 01/29/2008 9:26:14 PM PST by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: redpoll
Mass civil disobedience.

Great idea but we are the ones keeping this country chugging along while the rabble has the free time to pull off those disobediences. Because of their presence at least two thirds of the posters here wouldn't dare indulge in such behavior because their employers would welcome the opportunity to replace them with illegal aliens.

Perhaps there's a way to get those already displaced to gather; but I suspect that their circumstances dictate they lack internet access, cell phones and many other niceties most productive Americans have grown to depend upon.

But I'm damn sure they're hacked off enough to enlist, being denied many services they see illegals granted as a matter of course. If one could reach them.

50 posted on 01/29/2008 9:31:33 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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