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Why Fredheads Can Embrace John McCain and Mitt Romney
North Star Writers Group ^ | January 29, 2008 | Paul Ibrahim

Posted on 01/29/2008 5:12:16 AM PST by Invisigoth

Let’s face it: the majority of those who supported Fred Thompson did so because they sincerely believed that he was the only reliable conservative in the race. Few questioned his commitment to conservative principles. Not even his opponents, who picked on his speaking style and campaign schedule rather than his policy proposals, questioned his principles.

Upon Thompson’s withdrawal, Mitt Romney released the following statement: “Throughout this campaign, Fred Thompson brought a laudable focus to the challenges confronting our country and the solutions necessary to meet them. He stood for strong conservative ideas and believed strongly in the need to keep our conservative coalition together.”

Wow! One heck of an admission for a candidate whose campaign has centered on claiming the embodiment of Reaganite principles.

Romney then said that Thompson “focused on pulling together the old Reagan coalition, the conservative coalition of social, economic and foreign policy conservatives . . . And so his leaving the race is sad for those who were big fans of his, but it probably helps my effort in terms of bringing together those Reagan coalition individuals, and it probably will be a bit of a boost for me.”

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; bullshiite; bullshirt; election; elections; fred; fredheads; fredthompson; mccain; romney
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1 posted on 01/29/2008 5:12:18 AM PST by Invisigoth
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To: Invisigoth

They have to embrace one or the other. (or none at all)

ROMNEY


2 posted on 01/29/2008 5:15:10 AM PST by period end of story
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To: Invisigoth

I call BS.


3 posted on 01/29/2008 5:17:27 AM PST by gruna
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To: Invisigoth

Check Romney’s site to see how many FredHeads are now openly supporting Mitt.


4 posted on 01/29/2008 5:19:09 AM PST by gruna
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To: Invisigoth

Also on the linked post:

“Not so fast, Mitt.”

In the dismal field of Republicans remaining in the race, Romney does have a legitimate claim to Thompson’s supporters, but he is not the only one...

and there is the crux of the present situation.
Nobody has claim. I’m off to vote.


5 posted on 01/29/2008 5:19:37 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: Invisigoth
Sorry buddy, no more bs and clothespin votes. I made up my mind in March.

6 posted on 01/29/2008 5:20:20 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Invisigoth

Romney yes.

McCain never!!


7 posted on 01/29/2008 5:20:39 AM PST by Sybeck1 (McCain/Huckabee 08! Let's make Mississippi, Texas, and Utah swing states!)
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To: Invisigoth
Here are the Senators who voted against the Cornyn amendment , which would have established a permanent bar for gang members, terrorists, and other criminals looking to snag a shamnesty visa. Republicans underlined:

Never forget McCain not only pushed the amnesty bill, he refused to allow exclusions for the worst of the lot. And he unloaded his infamous temper on his mild- mannered senate colleague for having the audacity to introduce this amendment.

Apologies to any who feel I am spamming this message on campaign threads, but it is an important message on a key vote which needs to get out.

8 posted on 01/29/2008 5:20:45 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Invisigoth

I salute both McCain and Romney as politicians - with one finger on each hand.

I thank McCain for his service to his country. If Romney served in the military in any fashion, I salute his service as well (I honestly don’t know, although I doubt he did).

But neither will be getting my support. My principles are not for sale.


9 posted on 01/29/2008 5:20:51 AM PST by MortMan (Have a pheasant plucking day!)
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To: Invisigoth
Upon Thompson’s withdrawal, Mitt Romney released the following statement: “Throughout this campaign, Fred Thompson brought a laudable focus to the challenges confronting our country and the solutions necessary to meet them. He stood for strong conservative ideas and believed strongly in the need to keep our conservative coalition together.” Wow! One heck of an admission for a candidate whose campaign has centered on claiming the embodiment of Reaganite principles.

That's not an "admission". That's being polite and respectful.

10 posted on 01/29/2008 5:21:09 AM PST by rhombus
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To: gruna
Check Romney’s site to see how many FredHeads are now openly supporting Mitt.

Count me as one of those.
11 posted on 01/29/2008 5:21:20 AM PST by Kerretarded ("I am not a neoconservative. I am pro-American." - John Bolton)
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To: Invisigoth
I was afraid I wasn’t allowed to embrace another candidate. Now that I know I can, I feel much better.
12 posted on 01/29/2008 5:21:27 AM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: Invisigoth

The Democrat candidate is going to be a senator.
Governors beat senators, every time.

Mitt is it!


13 posted on 01/29/2008 5:21:59 AM PST by counterpunch (Mike Huckabee — The Religious Wrong)
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To: period end of story

door 3...


14 posted on 01/29/2008 5:22:34 AM PST by devane617 (I WILL NOT HOLD MY NOSE AND VOTE !!!!)
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To: TLI

i agree with you...regards from another fredhead...see my sig...


15 posted on 01/29/2008 5:23:41 AM PST by devane617 (I WILL NOT HOLD MY NOSE AND VOTE !!!!)
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To: gruna

Me too.

There are no conservatives in the race period. That was taken care of.


16 posted on 01/29/2008 5:24:01 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Invisigoth
Wow. Did the author use a bidet after loosing that loathsome missive upon the public?
17 posted on 01/29/2008 5:24:59 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Invisigoth
I am sick and tired of not have a candidate with a proven (not spun) background that show a solid social and fiscal conservative. Is it too much to ask for a candidate that is:

pro-life
pro-military
pro-gun rights
pro-1st amendment (both speech and religion)
pro-WOT
pro-states rights
pro-flat tax
anti-illegal immigration

Why does the GOP always expect me to hold my nose and support some RINO? I’m sick and tired of it.

18 posted on 01/29/2008 5:25:09 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: devane617
door 3...

It's a loser.

19 posted on 01/29/2008 5:25:35 AM PST by period end of story
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To: MortMan

>>>I thank McCain for his service to his country.<<<

Since becoming a senator McCain has done nothing but disservice to our country. His tyranny is unforgivable.


20 posted on 01/29/2008 5:27:32 AM PST by PhilipFreneau (The president cannot let a piece of paper by a bureaucrat determine what his actions must be - FT)
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To: Kerretarded

I was very encouraged when I read the many comments by FredHeads in the five brothers blog that they are enthusiastically behind Mitt now that Fred has dropped out. I also was glad that they are being welcomed very warmly.

I still think Romney will give Fred strong consideration as his runnung mate, unless Fred makes the mistake of endorsing his little friend, McCain.


21 posted on 01/29/2008 5:28:28 AM PST by gruna
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To: Invisigoth

I was not a Fredhead, but I will embrace whoever the winner is of the Republican Nomination, may the best man win, the man that can take out the Democrat.


22 posted on 01/29/2008 5:30:53 AM PST by AmericanMade1776
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To: PhilipFreneau

That doesn’t detract from his military service, which is the reason I was thanking him. In my not-so-humble opinion, political life is not “public service”. Military life, however, is.

I agree that McCain’s politics are unforgivable with respect to conservatism. (The caveat being his pro-life stance, which I appreciate. But it doesn’t overrule the rest of his transgressions.)


23 posted on 01/29/2008 5:32:00 AM PST by MortMan (Have a pheasant plucking day!)
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To: freekitty

We disagree. Romney is a conservative.


24 posted on 01/29/2008 5:33:26 AM PST by gruna
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To: gruna

I was a Fredhead and I wouldn’t think of supporting McCain. Ever.
Mitt is the best choice at this juncture.


25 posted on 01/29/2008 5:34:26 AM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: Invisigoth

Dude, try to sell me one or the other but do not try to make a package deal with me.I cannot stomach both in one sentence.


26 posted on 01/29/2008 5:35:55 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Stop the unFair Tax now; before it is fair for your neighbor and not you.)
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To: JaneNC

Concur (but dang it’s distasteful). It’s only Romney because McCain, Guiliani, and Huckabee are far worse.


27 posted on 01/29/2008 5:36:42 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: MortMan
But neither will be getting my support. My principles are not for sale.

"Tonight on the CBS Evening News, incoming president Hillary Clinton today announced details of her health care plan..."
28 posted on 01/29/2008 5:37:34 AM PST by Terpfen (It's your fault, not Pelosi's.)
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To: Invisigoth
McCain is not embraceable.
29 posted on 01/29/2008 5:38:19 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Terpfen

That’s the same reasoning as taking the mark of the beast to feed one’s family. And it’s just as wrong.

What is your price for your principles?


30 posted on 01/29/2008 5:39:58 AM PST by MortMan (Have a pheasant plucking day!)
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To: PhilipFreneau

>>>I thank McCain for his service to his country.

Since becoming a senator McCain has done nothing but disservice to our country. His tyranny is unforgivable.<<<

Funny, while he was in the military, he was FOR OUR country. Now that he’s a politician, he’s ALL FOR MEXICO


31 posted on 01/29/2008 5:41:49 AM PST by IM2MAD
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To: taxcontrol
Is it too much to ask for a candidate that is:

pro-life
pro-military
pro-gun rights
pro-1st amendment (both speech and religion)
pro-WOT
pro-states rights
pro-flat tax
anti-illegal immigration

Why does the GOP always expect me to hold my nose and support some RINO? I’m sick and tired of it.

Ditto. I don't like Romney or McCain. Since I live in Florida and it's an "All or nothing" State, voting for Fred or Huckebee is a wasted vote. I'm voting today, but I'm thinking about just voting on the amendments and not casting a vote for the primary.

I grew up in Massachusetts and still have family there. Romney signed the Gay Marriage act, supported strict gun controls, higher taxes (or "fees" as he liked to call them), and abortion rights. I'm willing to give a little on some issues, but I can't, in good conscious, support a liberal like Romney.

32 posted on 01/29/2008 5:41:51 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: MortMan
What is your price for your principles?

I haven't sacrificed any principles. I wanted Hunter to win. He didn't. Romney is my second choice. He's not perfect, but Hunter wasn't perfect either.

Your high horse lives up to its name.
33 posted on 01/29/2008 5:42:21 AM PST by Terpfen (It's your fault, not Pelosi's.)
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To: JaneNC

Glad to hear you’re one of the realists who are capable of adjusting to changing circumstances.


34 posted on 01/29/2008 5:42:24 AM PST by gruna
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To: JaneNC
I was a Fredhead and I wouldn’t think of supporting McCain.

I just reminded my two voting age children in college to get their absentee ballots. I also reminded them if I find out they voted for McCain or Huckabee they are out of the will.

35 posted on 01/29/2008 5:43:42 AM PST by coramdeo
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To: Invisigoth

I will NEVER embrace McCain.


36 posted on 01/29/2008 5:44:50 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 ( A liberal is one who lies about the past, and then tries to repeat it.)
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To: MortMan

Supporting Mitt is hardly taking the mark of the beast.
He is the guy who can turn our economy around and he is the most conservative of the contenders.

Supporting McCain would mean the end of America...
Learn Spanish.

And, it would cost us dearly.
The Dems are the same...they all plan to raise taxes and turn this into a socialistic union.


37 posted on 01/29/2008 5:45:00 AM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: taxcontrol
Well, the list certainly seems to be easy enough, but somehow you’re so right about the lack of a candidate who fits the bill. FredT was the man, but he didn’t catch on. Frankly I think he let the MSM stampede him from the race way too soon. But I don’t blame him, I blame those in the party who would not stand and be counted when the time came.

Maybe between now and the convention lots of people will come to their senses and realize that none of the current crop fits the bill. I think our best bet to get Fred back in the campaign is to keep the contest in a deadlock, so that come convention time there’s no way for any of the current bunch to sew it up.

I think Romney is going to take it in Florida today. I don’t know of anyone who voting for McCain. I really have to wonder about all the polls showing him to be such a popular force here.

For what it’s worth, I went with Rudy. I would like to have voted Romney, but when push came to shove I just couldn’t turn my back on Rudy, who despite his shortcomings, is the kind of man I think we need in these times. We’ll see.

38 posted on 01/29/2008 5:47:52 AM PST by jwparkerjr (Sigh . . .)
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To: MortMan

Well put! Ditto


39 posted on 01/29/2008 5:49:49 AM PST by Sir Beowolf
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To: MortMan

>>>The caveat being [McCain’s] pro-life stance, which I appreciate. <<<

Pro-life? How about this statement by in 1999: “certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.” - McCain in the San Francisco Chronicle.

I admit McCain is “Pro-Life”, of late, just as he is “for securing our borders”. It is just another sleazy attempt to trick us into voting for him.

>>>”That doesn’t detract from his military service, which is the reason I was thanking him.”<<<

Not me. No one who has a long history of abusing power and stripping us of our constitutional rights has my respect for anything he may have done in the past.


40 posted on 01/29/2008 5:51:07 AM PST by PhilipFreneau (The president cannot let a piece of paper by a bureaucrat determine what his actions must be - FT)
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To: Terpfen
I haven't sacrificed any principles.

I'm glad you feel that way.

As for me, I absolutely would have to sacrifice principles to support any of the remaining candidates. Trying to convince me that I should do so by trotting out the opposition won't work. I was in the military under her husband, and both the Army and I survived.

In the long run, I fear more for our republic if we don't find a way to get good, solid conservatives back into at least candidacy for high office. Electing RINOs works against that - it enables the media and the rats to guide our own candidate selection processes.

41 posted on 01/29/2008 5:51:22 AM PST by MortMan (Have a pheasant plucking day!)
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To: Invisigoth

John McCain was an American hero at one point in his life. The same can truthfully be said about George McGovern and Benedict Arnold.


42 posted on 01/29/2008 5:52:00 AM PST by devere
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To: Terpfen
"Tonight on the CBS Evening News, incoming president Hillary Clinton today announced details of her health care plan..."

**********************

And next week she'll be nominating Bill for SCOTUS. Wouldn't that be something?

43 posted on 01/29/2008 5:52:49 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: JaneNC

It’s sad that the race to win at all cost will likely end up costing this party’s soul.

As I have stated, I cannot support the remaining candidates without forgoing some or all of my principles. They are not for sale.


44 posted on 01/29/2008 5:54:46 AM PST by MortMan (Have a pheasant plucking day!)
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To: JaneNC
Check Romney’s site to see how many FredHeads are now openly supporting Mitt.

And the worst part is that IF a Dem wins and is able to enact Socialism and it fails, uber-libs STILL will not learn a lesson. They still won't realize that socialism is not the answer. They will just say as they always do, "It wasn't implemented correctly." Why? Because Liberalism is truly a mental disorder. Which mental disorder? Insanity.

Definition of Insanity - trying the same thing over and over thinking that you will get a different result.

America has overcome some great obstacles, but we are still trying to rid our Fed Gov of New Deal policies and Great Society policies. I don't feel like burdening my children with having to also overturn the Era of Change policies or the Era of Hillary policies.
45 posted on 01/29/2008 6:01:07 AM PST by Kerretarded ("I am not a neoconservative. I am pro-American." - John Bolton)
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To: MortMan
In the long run, I fear more for our republic if we don't find a way to get good, solid conservatives back into at least candidacy for high office. Electing RINOs works against that - it enables the media and the rats to guide our own candidate selection processes.

Allowing Democrats to be elected is far more damaging.

You may continue to cut off your nose to spite your face. The rest of us will continue working towards our goals even if they all may not be actualized immediately if not sooner.
46 posted on 01/29/2008 6:01:10 AM PST by Terpfen (It's your fault, not Pelosi's.)
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To: gruna

Yes, we do.


47 posted on 01/29/2008 6:01:50 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: gruna

Line forms behind you, I call BS.


48 posted on 01/29/2008 6:01:51 AM PST by alarm rider (Why should I not vote my conscience?)
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To: trisham

And he’d probably win that nomination, too, if the electoral tide puts Hillary in the White House.

Cannot believe how some people are willing to lose everything for the sake of gaining nothing.


49 posted on 01/29/2008 6:02:45 AM PST by Terpfen (It's your fault, not Pelosi's.)
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To: alarm rider

LOL.


50 posted on 01/29/2008 6:04:15 AM PST by gruna
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