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Boeing, Skunk Works to partner on bomber project
Valley Press ^ | Saturday, January 26, 2008 | JIM SKEEN

Posted on 01/26/2008 1:39:15 PM PST by BenLurkin

PALMDALE - Lockheed Martin Corp. and Boeing Co. announced Friday that they will partner to pursue the Air Force's proposed Next Generation bomber, an effort that will include work in Palmdale.

Representatives of the two companies said they will partner to perform studies and system development efforts in anticipation of the Air Force's moving forward with the program in the 2010 budget, with an eye toward flying the aircraft as early as 2018. The collaboration will include work in advanced sensors and future electronic warfare solutions, including advancements in network-enabled battle management, command and control, and virtual warfare simulation and experimentation.

Lockheed Martin's executive vice president and general manager of Advanced Development Programs, commonly referred to as the "Skunk Works," said his company will conduct work on the program in Palmdale, Fort Worth, Texas, and Georgia.

"The combined technical strengths of Boeing and Lockheed Martin offer the best possible team to provide a new long-range capability to the USAF by 2018," Cappuccio said.

Darryl Davis, president of Boeing's Advanced Systems, said his company would conduct work on the program in its St. Louis, Seattle, and Southern California facilities.

A Lockheed Martin spokeswoman said it was too early to say how many Palmdale workers would be involved in the program or the type of technologies they would be developing.

The Skunk Works is noted for the secret development of aircraft that dramatically advanced aerospace technology - the F-117 stealth fighter, the 2,000-mph SR-71 Blackbird spyplane and the U-2 reconnaissance aircraft.

The Air Force has stated that it is looking at a manned, subsonic aircraft capable of carrying 14,000 to 28,000 pounds and with a range of 2,000 miles unrefueled. The Air Force is looking for a stealthy, all-weather aircraft capable of staying over a target area for extended periods of time.

(Excerpt) Read more at avpress.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: California
KEYWORDS: aerospace; boeing; lockheedmartin; skunkworks; usaf

1 posted on 01/26/2008 1:39:17 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Didn’t they do the Aurora too? Oh wait, that doesn’t exist yet...


2 posted on 01/26/2008 1:46:06 PM PST by BreezyDog
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To: BenLurkin

Knew about this 2 weeks ago because...I work for Boeing Socal.

Thanks for the article post.

Know some people on the Boeing PhantomWorks division and the things they think of simply are just amazing.


3 posted on 01/26/2008 1:51:05 PM PST by max americana
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To: max americana

Will it be manned or a UAV? I have heard supposition that the B-2 was the “last manned bomber”.


4 posted on 01/26/2008 2:08:51 PM PST by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: HardStarboard

Article says manned.

We’ll see!


5 posted on 01/26/2008 2:10:07 PM PST by null and void (Does "I don't remember" Hillary!™ have Alzheimer's? She needs to release her medical records now!)
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To: max americana

OK...just read the entire article...sounds like it will be manned. Suprised.


6 posted on 01/26/2008 2:10:24 PM PST by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: HardStarboard
The customer is the Air Force. People who owe everything they are to having been a pilot tend to favor manned aircraft...
7 posted on 01/26/2008 2:21:28 PM PST by null and void (Does "I don't remember" Hillary!™ have Alzheimer's? She needs to release her medical records now!)
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To: max americana

Any cool Popular Mechanic type artist pictures on what they think it will look like?
I’m a sucker for those.


8 posted on 01/26/2008 2:31:58 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: IrishCatholic

Yup —taking advantage of the technology gotten from Area 51 that was reverse-engineered :-)


9 posted on 01/26/2008 2:37:52 PM PST by duckbutt ( If you let a smile be your umbrella, then most likely your butt will get soaking wet.)
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To: IrishCatholic
Any cool Popular Mechanic type artist pictures on what they think it will look like?

Here ya go.

Photo

10 posted on 01/26/2008 2:39:08 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: okie01

You be bad!


11 posted on 01/26/2008 2:40:43 PM PST by american_ranger (Never ever use DirecTV)
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To: american_ranger
It's been a tough day. It was time for a little fun.

Thanks for taking it well...

12 posted on 01/26/2008 2:42:35 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: BenLurkin
Does that mean Northrup-Grumman go it alone against them?

Note Scaled Composites is part of N-R, I could see them making a scale RCS model as well as a Scaled Dem-Val aircraft if the contracts allow it. The problem is we will not see pictures of the winner and especially the looser for an awfully long time....

13 posted on 01/26/2008 2:44:13 PM PST by taildragger (The Answer is Fred Thompson, I do not care what the question is.....)
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To: BenLurkin
Hillary will put a stop to this BS. Just think of all the social good she can do with that money.
14 posted on 01/26/2008 2:45:13 PM PST by kempo (Hillary)
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To: IrishCatholic
Here's a prototype.

It's pretty stealthy.

15 posted on 01/26/2008 2:46:07 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: BenLurkin

Skunk Works! What history! What a country!

16 posted on 01/26/2008 2:46:55 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: BenLurkin

They have sign up sheets to work on the project in every political office in China. No background checks are necessary, the DNC has already done them for you.


17 posted on 01/26/2008 2:48:08 PM PST by SwankyC
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To: HardStarboard
Manned and sub-sonic. I can’t believe this. They are working in the wrong direction.
18 posted on 01/26/2008 2:51:37 PM PST by BBell
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To: okie01

Dead link.
Agent Molder was too slow. They already got there first.


19 posted on 01/26/2008 3:02:33 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: max americana

Know some people on the Boeing PhantomWorks division and the things they think of simply are just amazing.

20 posted on 01/26/2008 3:13:49 PM PST by llevrok (Drink your beer, damnit! There are sober people in Africa!)
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To: IrishCatholic

>Any cool Popular Mechanic type artist pictures on what they think it will look like?
I’m a sucker for those.<

A close buddy of mine who helped develop the first armed UAV to be used in Iraq and Afghanistan “hinted” that the “3rd” gen UAV they’re working on is “A.I” driven.

I then told asked him: “like Skynet? (Terminator)”...he just nodded.


22 posted on 01/26/2008 3:22:14 PM PST by max americana
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To: Paleo Conservative

Skunk Works and Phantom, the mothers of black project to develop something darker than black.


23 posted on 01/26/2008 3:29:49 PM PST by Wiz
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To: max americana

It would be fun if Northrop jumps in, making a “Team America” dream team, best of the best.


24 posted on 01/26/2008 3:32:19 PM PST by Wiz
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To: Wiz

>>>It would be fun if Northrop jumps in, making a “Team America” dream team, best of the best.<<<

NOPE. Northrop is owned/managed by the Euros who own AIRBUS.

Keep it American.


25 posted on 01/26/2008 3:50:21 PM PST by max americana
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To: llevrok

Yeah, Edwards AFB, in the middle of a desert, was basically shut down because of snow. The 58 and 14 around Mohave were closed. The only hope for survival there is the gal that runs the diner on the left side as you turn right onto the 58 from the 14. She should be on the Food Channel.


26 posted on 01/26/2008 3:55:34 PM PST by BobS
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To: Wiz
It would be fun if Northrop jumps in, making a “Team America” dream team, best of the best.

Actually, it wouldn't.

The reason the Skunk Works did so well was they had a fairly small team all in one place. They could ignore most of the government procurement and corporate rules and just "get 'er done".

As soon as you start involving two companies, multiple locations and layers of management you will end up with design by committee.

All of the sly old foxes in aerospace would much rather have a smaller team run by one outstanding leader.

The real reason Lockheed and Boeing have teamed up is that their corporate managements decided that half a loaf is better than none. If they split the program now they will both win something. There will be no big winner, but no loser either.

If the government procurement guys were smart enough, they would forbid this teaming and make them compete. That is how you get an outstanding new airplane, instead of just a new airplane.

27 posted on 01/26/2008 3:56:54 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: BenLurkin

Subsonic, 14-28k lbs of bombs, 2k range?

It’s been done - B-50. Standard load, 20,000 lbs of bombs internal, plus hardpoints, combat radius, 2400 miles. Retired about 1965.

Need something bigger? B-36.


28 posted on 01/26/2008 4:38:33 PM PST by PAR35
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To: BenLurkin
Sub-sonic, loooooog hang time?

Use the now existing Delta ‘blimp’ - stealthy as all get out.

29 posted on 01/26/2008 6:02:33 PM PST by ASOC (The Captain doesn't choose the storm....)
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To: martin_fierro

LoL!


30 posted on 01/26/2008 6:18:01 PM PST by relee (I just got back from the border, and what I saw made me know for sure we're out of order - LRB)
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To: althusius

“...shouldn’t we also be building some sort of cheap aerial bomb truck?...”

My sentiments exactly. We need a next generation B-52 that can carry out Arc Light strikes. I lke precision bombing but there will be times you just need carpet bombing capability.


31 posted on 01/26/2008 7:49:13 PM PST by Redcitizen (What we need is a Grand Army of the Republic.)
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To: Redcitizen

Well then you just drop a bomb that disperses into bomblets from high altitude.


32 posted on 01/26/2008 7:59:26 PM PST by tpanther
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