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Defunct Spy Satellite Falling From Orbit
Associated Press (excerpt) ^ | January 26, 2007

Posted on 01/26/2008 1:03:46 PM PST by HAL9000

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To: BallyBill

I wont tell a soul


21 posted on 01/26/2008 1:16:09 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: mainerforglobalwarming

“The satellite will probably crash in Iran and they’ll have some enriched plutonium to add to their stockpiles.”

I’m betting they don’t have a problem with their supply of bomb making materials. The hazerdous materials are probably the solar panels.


22 posted on 01/26/2008 1:16:40 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: HAL9000

I thought the Air Force had the capability to send up a satellite to match orbits, dock and control a satellite. I thought there were some actual flight tests of this capability of the last 10 years.


23 posted on 01/26/2008 1:17:07 PM PST by Brian S. Fitzgerald ("We're going to drag that ship over the mountain.")
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To: HAL9000

I bet the Chinese shot it down with their new ground based laser.../sarc


24 posted on 01/26/2008 1:17:58 PM PST by BreezyDog
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To: HAL9000; Cindy

shhhh big secret


25 posted on 01/26/2008 1:18:24 PM PST by RDTF
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To: HAL9000
Falling satellite. That reminds me of one of my favorite scenes from "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"

Oh no! Not again!

26 posted on 01/26/2008 1:18:28 PM PST by Reaganesque (Romney ...is manifestly the best candidate. - Ann Coulter [01/17/08])
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To: maine-iac7

“Seems like these things should be required to have a “I’m dying!” signal and then a guidance system to at least make sure it crashes in the ocean”

From what I understand they do assuming that function still works. The recent chinese anti-sat tests have left a lot of junk in orbit. I wonder if we have lost any satellites due to this stuff.


27 posted on 01/26/2008 1:19:13 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: HAL9000

Why did Bush neglect this satellite to the point it is crashing?


28 posted on 01/26/2008 1:21:26 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureā„¢)
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To: HAL9000
Why can't they just send up Bruce Willis and drill a hole in it and then blow it up? That's what I'd do.
29 posted on 01/26/2008 1:21:54 PM PST by bubbacluck
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To: thefactor

“low level employees who are privy to this stuff like to play james bond and have secret meetings with reporters. the only way to stop it is to surveil everyone.”

Look at the numbers of PhD’s awarded in physics and math, then look at where the students are from. Large percentages are from overseas and end up working in universities and defense contractors. We have a couple thousand chinese working in our high level programs.

IMO this information is sought out and released to make the US look bad. Oh and I am all for surveiling people with access to classified national defense information.


30 posted on 01/26/2008 1:22:26 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver
All kidding aside, I hope this satellite is old and has run its course. I’d hate to find out its a year old and fell apart without being cost efficient.
31 posted on 01/26/2008 1:22:30 PM PST by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: maine-iac7

It’s not that easy.


32 posted on 01/26/2008 1:23:08 PM PST by AntiKev ("No damage. The world's still turning isn't it?" - Stereo Goes Stellar - Blow Me A Holloway)
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To: steve86

This is caused by Global Warming. The planet has a fever, and it’s just too hot to orbit!


33 posted on 01/26/2008 1:23:15 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald

There was one just recently (Orbital Express), but the issue is that there is currently no “operationally responsive spacelift” capability. This is in the pipe from the likes of SpaceX, Orbital Sciences Corp. and ATK. But it IS rocket science after all.

You can’t just dock to a satellite with no docking mechanism either.


34 posted on 01/26/2008 1:24:37 PM PST by AntiKev ("No damage. The world's still turning isn't it?" - Stereo Goes Stellar - Blow Me A Holloway)
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To: liege

“Why can’t they just send up Bruce Willis and drill a hole in it and then blow it up?”

Environmentalists have managed to prevent any drilling in the pristine wilderness of lower earth orbit.


35 posted on 01/26/2008 1:24:57 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: HAL9000

Is it too much to ask that it land on Ahmadinejad?


36 posted on 01/26/2008 1:25:31 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: neodad
The Russians track, or used to track all launches. Even from the shuttle, if the orbit is near or above Moscow's latitude.

It's no big surprise, except as practice for all the up & coming space powers to detect, track, and learn.

37 posted on 01/26/2008 1:27:24 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: AntiKev
they can predict relatively certainly where, when and how it will come down.

Only after the final phase of descent starts. It's like a roulette wheel. For example. you are driving a car on a hilly, uneven terrain. The engine suddenly stalls. Can you predict where the car stops?

The answer is "No" because it depends on your initial speed and on the incline of the road (all the way to the stopping position) and on the wind, and on the type of pavement (concrete vs. sand) and on many other factors.

In case of a satellite it all depends on the early atmospheric drag on the descending shape. Initially this drag is miniscule, but it depends on which way the satellite is oriented (not known) and how high the upper atmosphere reaches right now (not known). But this microscopic difference early in the descent can make the satellite fall in South Africa or in North America. Only when the satellite is on its last spiral around the globe, when it is already burning like a meteorite, then it is reasonably clear what will happen because there aren't that many options left.

Controlled landings are far more exact, but only because the spacecraft is precisely controlled during the descent, and the descent path itself is designed to dive deep into the atmosphere.

38 posted on 01/26/2008 1:32:39 PM PST by Greysard
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To: AntiKev
But I will tell you that they can predict relatively certainly where, when and how it will come down.

Well, HOW certainly, and WHEN to maybe within a few days, which is more or less implied by "late February or March" ( if we assume "early March",) but to know WHERE you have to know WHEN to within a minute or less, since it's moving at about five miles per second. There is enough variability in the density of the upper atmosphere to make it impossible to predict the moment of final descent with this kind of precision. It's like predicting when a picture will fall off the wall.

39 posted on 01/26/2008 1:34:24 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: AntiKev

That’s comforting. The fact they are talking about it at all, and talking about “mitigating damage” as to where it will come down, makes me think that it might come down in a crowded place.


40 posted on 01/26/2008 1:35:06 PM PST by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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