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The Failure of Normality - the unhappy lessons of the Thompson campaign
The Weekly Standard ^ | 02/04/2008 | Andrew Ferguson

Posted on 01/26/2008 9:10:40 AM PST by jnwest

In his recent memoir, Alan Greenspan says he's been pushing a constitutional amendment of his own devising. It reads: "Anyone willing to do what is required to become president of the United States is thereby barred from taking that office." If the Greenspan amendment is ever enacted, it will at last clear the field for Fred Thompson, who might then become president. But not until then.

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KEYWORDS: 2008; andrewferguson; campaign; election; elections; ferguson; fred; fredthompson; lessons; thompson
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This is a long article, but it's worth reading (especially if you're a Fredhead!) It explains one more reason why THIS Fredhead was SO involved in this campaign. Fred was the candidate many Americans have longed for - correct on the issues and a man of principle - but when the MSM punished him for not playing their game, the same Americans that wanted such a candidate allowed the MSM to convince them otherwise. To quote the author, "My guess is we'll be missing him dreadfully by spring." Exactly.
1 posted on 01/26/2008 9:10:42 AM PST by jnwest
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To: jnwest

Totally agree, Fred wouldn’t act bizarre or stupid like the rest of them. It’s a damn shame.

Republicans should stop participating in debates until the “moderators” are no longer left wing reporters. There is no reason those democrat script reading pretty boys should be allowed in such an important role.


2 posted on 01/26/2008 9:16:16 AM PST by Williams
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To: jnwest

Maybe the issue is to have closed initial primaries not open. The each party could pick from the beginning not party jumpers. My take is those that voted for McCain will vote for Hillary and so we never really get a chance.


3 posted on 01/26/2008 9:19:33 AM PST by edcoil
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To: edcoil

I agree. I think the primaries should be a closed events. These often sway public opinion way too much. It’s time for a change in more than a few things in the election process.


4 posted on 01/26/2008 9:22:20 AM PST by swatbuznik
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To: jnwest

Fred had it right. Still does.


5 posted on 01/26/2008 9:28:58 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: jnwest
This is exactly the truth. The MSM took him out because too many, including many here at FR, were content to believe anything they cooked up to stop him.

The MSM is not dead and they have honed their attacks on conservatives down to a science. If we are going to remain so foolish and gullible as to allow them to eliminate our choice, we will never see another conservative in the White House.

I miss Fred more with each passing day. By spring, it will become evident to most of the rest of the deniers that we were played for fools.

6 posted on 01/26/2008 9:32:18 AM PST by Route66 (America's Main Street - - - Conservative Candidate Wanted... Conservative resume required.)
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To: jnwest

I generally agree with the premise
No one who wants the job of President
bad enough to run for it,
should be elected.

Machiavellian concerns without

I propose a National Test of all citizens
of the USA, say, at 35 y/o
To test for “Leadership Capability”
whatever that is...

Take the top 1% and randomly draft into Local positions
Take the tap .01% and randomly draft into State positions
Take the top .001% and randomly draft into Federal positions

Pay then what they are worth, say, their IRS based current income.

Never let a person continue in the
same position for >4-8 years.

Some process like this
So much for the Representational Republic
But it would stop all this foolishness.


7 posted on 01/26/2008 9:37:42 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Route66
The MSM is not dead and they have honed their attacks on conservatives down to a science.

That is the absolute truth.

8 posted on 01/26/2008 9:39:15 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: Williams

It’s nice to be among sensible people. Question for anyone out there: I’m a newbie, so I need to know how to post a reply to all those involved in a current thread. Thanks!


9 posted on 01/26/2008 9:44:47 AM PST by jnwest
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To: Bahbah
“The MSM is not dead and they have honed their attacks on conservatives down to a science.”

“That is the absolute truth.”

I agree! I also miss Fred with every passing day, but after weighing the options I don’t see anything better than to give my vote to Romney next Tuesday.

Some say go for a brokered convention. I don’t see that happening. If someone does, I would like to hear how they think it could happen, and how that would keep McCain or Huckabee out of the nomination. I could live with Romney first and Guiliani second, so voting Romney.

10 posted on 01/26/2008 9:52:14 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: jnwest

Type “All” in the “To” box.


11 posted on 01/26/2008 9:52:23 AM PST by Politicalmom (I'm the aunt of a brand-new Naval Officer. I'm proud of you, Kristi.)
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To: jnwest
"Anyone willing to do what is required to become president of the United States is thereby barred from taking that office."

So Fred lost because of Catch 22?

12 posted on 01/26/2008 9:52:52 AM PST by norton (There is still no third choice - there is no longer any choice)
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To: seekthetruth
I could live with Romney first and Guiliani second, so voting Romney.

Same here.

13 posted on 01/26/2008 9:56:23 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: Politicalmom

Much obliged!


14 posted on 01/26/2008 9:57:14 AM PST by jnwest
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To: swatbuznik
There are two problems with closed primaries. First it effectively disenfranchises anyone not registered to one of the major parties. Two, many states do not have registration by party. Texas for example. Here they just stamp your voter registration card with "Voted in the XXXXX Primary", to prevent folks from voting in both primaries.

Parties have too much control over the election process as it is, IMHO of course. I would say, let the parties have their "closed" primaries, to select their candidate for the "real" primaries, which would be open to anyone, one election, not multiple parallel ones. If the parities want to take there chances with a single candidate in the single real primary, fine. Or they can put in their top two or three or whatever they want.

Parties are not provided for in the Constitution, and really only exist because of the power of Congress to make it's own rules, which do recognize parties, and which of course are designed to protect incumbents.

15 posted on 01/26/2008 9:58:04 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: jnwest; All

Do a reply, after the name, put a comma space all


16 posted on 01/26/2008 10:04:50 AM PST by edcoil
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To: edcoil

Thanks


17 posted on 01/26/2008 10:06:02 AM PST by jnwest
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To: jnwest

Interestingly, Fred has highlighted how corrupt, how pandering, how totally sleazy and unfit the rest of the candidates are.


18 posted on 01/26/2008 10:10:28 AM PST by Aria (NO RAPIST ENABLER FOR PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: Route66
The MSM took him out because too many, including many here at FR, were content to believe anything they cooked up to stop him.

The only possible explanation for a Freeper to support anyone other than Fred was the influence of the MSM.

We should consider banning all articles from the MSM. All articles should be from Fox News or other FR approved sources.

19 posted on 01/26/2008 10:15:55 AM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes

bump


20 posted on 01/26/2008 10:24:46 AM PST by malia ( Fred Thompson, you stay in there. I know you can do it!!! Prayers are said for your mother.)
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To: jnwest

I said it before.

It’s a lesser nation without someone like Fred as the nominee and eventualy winnner.

I return you back back to the regularly scheduled RINO herding.


21 posted on 01/26/2008 10:43:59 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Doe Eyes
The only possible explanation for a Freeper to support anyone other than Fred was the influence of the MSM. We should consider banning all articles from the MSM. All articles should be from Fox News or other FR approved sources.

No. But if I a had a dollar for every time we saw a MSM talking point about Fred Thompson repeated here I'd be rich. Far too many followed right along as the media falsely defined, marginalized and ignored the conservative candidate who stood up to them.

Those who, from the beginning, have supported one of the moderate/liberal candidates in this race did it for their own reasons, most having to do with identification on a religious or other strong single issue, but those who claimed to want a real conservative and still wound up falling for the drivel, were played like a violin. The media has become very good at guiding outcome and we need to become better at recognizing it and resisting it.

22 posted on 01/26/2008 10:57:59 AM PST by Route66 (America's Main Street - - - Conservative Candidate Wanted... Conservative resume required.)
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To: seekthetruth

Me, too (for Mitt) but I do miss Fred.

As to his participation in the debates, he came off extremely well in those, so I don’t think that hurt him.

He just was not known to the general population and he didn’t have a great team. For example today I got a note from his campaign thanking me for a donation I made over a month ago. I should have gotten that within days along with a request for more money which I probably would have sent.

But I still have hopes that he will be appointed to something meaningful in the government ... perhaps even selected to be Romney’s veep.

I don’t think he would campaign for that but I think he would take it if offered.


23 posted on 01/26/2008 11:03:10 AM PST by altura (Jumper on the Mitt-wagon)
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To: HangnJudge

For quite some time I’ve supported a national lottery for president and congress. We couldn’t do worse than what we have, and quite frankly, I suspect we’d do quite a bit better.


24 posted on 01/26/2008 11:11:47 AM PST by zeugma (Hillary! - America's Ex-Wife!)
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To: zeugma
For quite some time I’ve supported a national lottery for president and congress.
We couldn’t do worse than what we have, and quite frankly,
I suspect we’d do quite a bit better.

Agree
Devils in the Details...

What is Leadership, how is it measured
Who measures the “measurers”?
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

And how is "service" coerced?

25 posted on 01/26/2008 11:29:12 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Aria
Interestingly, Fred has highlighted how corrupt, how pandering, how totally sleazy and unfit the rest of the candidates are.

So true. Because of Thompson, I am no longer willing to vote based on political relativism. He's shown me that there are good candidates out there, and as a result I am no longer willing to settle for anything less.

26 posted on 01/26/2008 11:31:39 AM PST by ellery (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice - B. Goldwater)
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To: jnwest

” Question for anyone out there: I’m a newbie, so I need to know how to post a reply to all those involved in a current thread. Thanks!”

Welcome to FReeRepublic!

At the top where it says “To” just put “ALL” or you can type in several different names by putting ; after each one.


27 posted on 01/26/2008 11:34:50 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: HangnJudge

In all seriousness, I like the idea of a straight-up lottery.

The kinks should be easy to work out. We’d treat elected office like we treat Jury Duty. You’re obligated, there are a lot of acceptable excuses you can give to get out of it, but they have to be legit. Basic exclusions for anyone convicted of a serious offense, any direct relatives of anyone currently serving, and Bill O’Reilly.

We couldnt possibly end up with a worse congress.


28 posted on 01/26/2008 11:36:49 AM PST by skipper18 (Fred or Bust)
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To: jnwest

I am one that misses Fred’s sensibility. There was a big hole in the last debate because of his absence. No adult was present and it was obvious.


29 posted on 01/26/2008 11:40:13 AM PST by donnab (don't blame me ...I supported Fred.)
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To: ellery

For me, I suppose the bottom line is that I don’t want Hillary or Obama to win by default so I’m reconciled to doing what I have to do come election day. However, it’s impossible to transfer my sincere support and faith in Fred to another candidate. I’m so disappointed that I never got the chance to vote for him or to see what he could do for the future of us all. I guess as a country we’re too far gone - even those on the right are blind.


30 posted on 01/26/2008 11:42:01 AM PST by Aria (NO RAPIST ENABLER FOR PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: skipper18
In all seriousness, I like the idea of a straight-up lottery.

Hmmm...
Perhaps I am too complex in my suppositions
Must consider this

The President is, however, a type of Military animal
He(She) must be willing to kill, to be effective.
Usually this requires some training,
perhaps a school for ruthlessness

Hmmm...

31 posted on 01/26/2008 11:44:39 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: jnwest

I was all for Fred but I knew he was dead in the water after his second debate. For better or worse one has to have some personality, some kind of pizzazz, to have any kind of success in a Presidential run. Fred had all the charisma of a bowl of cold oatmeal. It may not right or fair but that’s the way it is.


32 posted on 01/26/2008 11:50:00 AM PST by joebuck
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To: joebuck

Charisma is what got us Clinton. Those who didn’t vote for Fred based on this just perpetuated this.


33 posted on 01/26/2008 11:54:07 AM PST by Aria (NO RAPIST ENABLER FOR PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: Aria
"Charisma is what got us Clinton. Those who didn’t vote for Fred based on this just perpetuated this."

You'll get no disagreement from me on that. But the reality can't be ignored. The majority of the voting public are not political junkies like we on FR. They don't really vote based on issues or policy, rather, they vote for who they "like" the best.

34 posted on 01/26/2008 11:56:44 AM PST by joebuck
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To: edcoil

I believe Fred might take issue with that declaration given his Federalist views. Our founding documents make no mention of political parties. They are a creation of politicians over the years to gain ever more power in the hands of an elite group of individuals. As another astute FReeper observed, what we need is a second party, a conservative one, to push back against the ever increasing drift to the left of the Washington establishment.


35 posted on 01/26/2008 12:15:21 PM PST by gpapa ("My idea of gun control is a good, steady aim" - Fred Thompson)
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To: joebuck

If the Dems win, and when Americans have had enough of them, pizzaz won’t be so important. People don’t learn from history.


36 posted on 01/26/2008 12:33:49 PM PST by jnwest
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To: jnwest
But Thompson was more subversive than that; he was an existential maverick, and his campaign was an implicit rebuke to the system in its entirety. He was a man out of his time. With its reduced metabolism and procedural modesty, his campaign still might have served as an illustration of what politics once was like and--if we have the audacity to hope--might be again.

Fred ran the kind of campaign that conservatives have been saying they wanted; more real meat. But when push came to shove, they let themselves be led by the media with its "lazy, no fire in the belly, doesn't want to be President", meme. They went for the flash and dash, not the substance.

37 posted on 01/26/2008 12:50:23 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Doe Eyes
We should consider banning all articles from the MSM. All articles should be from Fox News or other FR approved sources.

Absolutely NOT. "Know thine enemy" is a good rule by which to live!

38 posted on 01/26/2008 12:56:20 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Doe Eyes

Unfortunately Fox is now part of the MSM. They turned to the dark side some time ago.


39 posted on 01/26/2008 1:24:13 PM PST by Eagles6
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To: seekthetruth

I see something better for next Tuesday: Fred is still on your ballot. VOTE FOR HIM.

This will, hopefully, be a real, disputed, convention. Give Fred some delegates, and he will be the winner.


40 posted on 01/26/2008 1:27:33 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Don't blame me; I will write in Thompson.)
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To: jnwest
I'm not an authority on primary details. Is there any way that Fred or Duncan could get back into this? I don't understand why they dropped out after a couple of open primaries and cauci in mostly liberal state.

Too much is dependent on polls, which we know are tools of the liberal media.

41 posted on 01/26/2008 1:28:09 PM PST by Eagles6
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To: SuziQ

“But when push came to shove, they let themselves be led by the media with its “lazy, no fire in the belly, doesn’t want to be President”, meme.”

Yep, can’t count the number of times I heard that trash repeated by morons here at FreeRepublic.

I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING Rudy McRomnaBee, no matter what.


42 posted on 01/26/2008 1:30:55 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Don't blame me; I will write in Thompson.)
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To: Eagles6

Yes. Once on the ballot, on the ballot.

Just go vote for Fred (or Duncan, even if he cheapened himself with his Huckster endorsement).


43 posted on 01/26/2008 1:31:45 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Don't blame me; I will write in Thompson.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

“I see something better for next Tuesday: Fred is still on your ballot. VOTE FOR HIM. This will, hopefully, be a real, disputed, convention. Give Fred some delegates, and he will be the winner.”

If I thought there was a chance that Fred would come out the winner I would do it. I believe a vote for Fred here in Florida will make for a sure win for McCain. I do NOT want that to happen! McCain needs to be stopped here in Florida!


44 posted on 01/26/2008 1:33:04 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: jnwest

Is that why he helped to author the Fiengold-McCain Campaign Finance Bill? Is this way he took the bribe from Mitt and Huck to leave this presidential race?


45 posted on 01/26/2008 1:34:18 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield
Is this way he took the bribe from Mitt and Huck to leave this presidential race?

Are you nuts? There are conspiracy theories and then there beyond insane conspiracy theories.

46 posted on 01/26/2008 1:36:52 PM PST by Jean S
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To: shield

What “bribe” was that?


47 posted on 01/26/2008 1:41:42 PM PST by gpapa ("My idea of gun control is a good, steady aim" - Fred Thompson)
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To: Eagles6

It’s because of lack of money. You can’t run for anything today unless you can get people to do more than just give you moral support. They need to give their candidates money also. Fred and Duncan just didn’t have the money, or the charisma. I liked Fred Thompson. He is a true conservative,but unfortunately not a rich one.


48 posted on 01/26/2008 1:43:29 PM PST by Yankereb
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To: TheThirdRuffian

I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING Rudy McRomnaBee, no matter what.

who do you perefer ........ Barack Hussein Obama or hillary roddham clinton?


49 posted on 01/26/2008 1:48:36 PM PST by malia ( Fred Thompson, you stay in there. I know you can do it!!! Prayers are said for your mother.)
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To: malia

Sorry, the days of allowing RINOs to cow conservatives with that threat are over.


50 posted on 01/26/2008 1:50:23 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Don't blame me; I will write in Thompson.)
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