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Societe Generale chief, Daniel Bouton, faces President Nicolas Sarkozy's wrath
Times (UK) ^ | 1/26/08 (Europe AM) | Charles Bremner

Posted on 01/25/2008 8:13:51 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker

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To: AndyJackson

Any possibility of complicity? The timing is suspicious.


41 posted on 01/26/2008 9:57:56 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: GovernmentShrinker

The interesting question here, it what did Bernanke know, and when did he know it. Did he do what is a very very rare occurrence and that is an emergency rate cut, because of the bumbling criminality of some French bank? It is an information age, yet it is the nature of governments and bureaucrats to remain as clueless as they have always been. Too bad Peter Sellers is dead, there is a Peter Seller movie here, and just like in Dr Strangelove, Sellers could play multiple parts, including Bernanke.


42 posted on 01/26/2008 10:16:04 AM PST by Biblebelter
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It looks to me like Bernanke found out about the same time as Fillon and Sarkozy — maybe a bit sooner because he probably has better sources in the market than those two, and by the close of trading on Tuesday (Sarkozy and Fillon say they found out on Wednesday), the basics of the real story had to have been known to key traders; at least the fact that it was SG doing the dumping of Euro equity index futures, though perhaps not the fact that the Governor of the French central bank was in on the action. That last bit being really key, since the biggest shocker here isn’t “the bumbling criminality of some French bank” (i.e. SG), but rather the bumbling criminality of the head of the French central bank, which is a government entity, not a private business. This boils down to criminality on the part of a very, very senior market regulator. Reports that Noyer and Bouton are old pals from their business school days add plausibility to the idea that Noyer made his decisions based on a desire to help out his pal, without regard to the negative effects on the overall financial system. IMO, given what we know at this point, Noyer should be the last one out of prison, as he deserves the longest sentence.


43 posted on 01/26/2008 11:16:14 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
The Chairman/CEO of a major European/French bank and the Governor of the French central bank conspired to dump around $75 billion of index futures in the market, on a day when liquidity was very tight due to the US markets being closed, and when the world financial system was already shaky.

The cynical/tinfoil side of me makes note that the way these theoretically-smart people tried to unwind their positions, seemed to be the way least likely to succeed, and most likely to throw the global financial system into chaos.

Who would benefit the most from such an event, and might they have more than enough cash to bribe senior French banking figures into doing just that?

44 posted on 01/26/2008 11:36:41 AM PST by PapaBear3625
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To: PapaBear3625; Southack

I think the most likely scenario is the one that Southack has outlined (along with other denizens of the blogosphere), namely that Bouton and Noyer were trying to cover up something ELSE. Maybe they did or maybe they didn’t just discover Kerviel’s trading activities last Friday night. But there had to be something else that motivated them to conduct the huge sudden sell-off without notifying all the people who have a right to expect to be notified about this sort of thing. Maybe it was that they had actually known what Kerviel was doing for some time, and were happy to let it go on as long as he was “in the money” (which he reportedly was at least until sometime in December). Or maybe there was some unrelated wrongdoing that discovery of Kerviel’s activities provided a convenient opportunity to sweep under the rug. But doing what they did for the reasons they say they did it, simply doesn’t pass the sniff test.

Unfortunately, I doubt we’ll ever get the whole story, but I do think that Bouton’s and Noyer’s future involvement in the financial world is going to be limited to overseeing their personal investments — that is, if they have any left after the authorities and the movers-and-shakers are done with them.


45 posted on 01/26/2008 12:21:57 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Biblebelter

Bernanke is not at fault here, though certain left-wingers would prefer the world to blame him rather than the key French players involved.

Bernanke saw what most of us saw Sunday night, that European index futures were tanking hard in overnight weekend trading.

Then on Monday (MLK day here), the global markets sold off, and because of time differences, they sold off again on Tuesday, but rallied when the Fed announced the emergency rate cut.

The “spin” up to that point was that the U.S. bond insurers were going belly up. Naturally, Bernanke and his Fed governors have feared that very thing. The Fed has been orchastrating a bailout of the bond insurers via private parties for several weeks now.

Moreover, the Fed has purposefully been playing brinksmanship in order to pop the housing bubble without destroying the rest of our economy.

So the global market rout while U.S. markets were closed for MLK day, combined with the “spin” that the rout was due to a U.S. bond insurer implosion, easily spooked the Fed.

And so the Fed moved.

But by Wednesday, traders were figuring out that the “spin” was a big lie. It wasn’t a U.S. bond insurer closing shop...it was a major French bank liquidating $75 Billion in stock index futures in a mere two days.

Frankly, every news media outlet that hawked the “U.S. bond insurer causes global rout” spin back on Monday and Tuesday...should be dipped in tar and hung from lampposts.

Especially by Tuesday, as traders had seen at that point that SG was a big seller.

For that matter, on Sunday night and Monday it made no sense that Europe would have known about a U.S. bond insurer going under (before the U.S. knew).


46 posted on 01/26/2008 2:30:40 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I still suspect that Bernanke may pull strings to stop Chase and MS from leading SocGen’s bailout financing

The same string he is going to pull to stop the Saudi's from bailing out Citicorp?

47 posted on 01/26/2008 4:01:06 PM PST by AndyJackson
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Why would he want to stop the Saudis from bailing out Citicorp?


48 posted on 01/26/2008 4:35:12 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Southack
Insurance fraud means jail.

You make that sound simple and black and white. For billions in potential gains, many might be willing to cross the line into "rogue" territory.

49 posted on 01/26/2008 6:53:28 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee; GovernmentShrinker
The specific men who pulled this stunt -- Bouton, Noyer, and no doubt a couple of others who's names and roles haven't made it into the spotlight yet -- have probably had their last taste of power.

It is not "rogue" territory. Bankers in Europe are the owners of everything, including the political parties. A scapegoat will be blamed, America will clean the mess, and the top responsibles will never face charges, just as usual, just as it has always been.

I think the most likely scenario is the one that Southack has outlined (along with other denizens of the blogosphere), namely that Bouton and Noyer were trying to cover up something ELSE.

I agree. In general, the subprime issue is used to hide something else.

In Europe, bankers might end their days hanging from a bridge, but they never never going to jail because they are the perfect oligarchy, the true State. Don't say that they will end up in the kink because it is simply risible for us, Europeans that each day of our lifes we see their lies and, even, crimes.
50 posted on 01/27/2008 2:03:26 AM PST by J Aguilar (Veritas vos liberabit)
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I don’t expect to see Bouton or Noyer facing charges (perhaps some of Bouton’s lieutenants, though). However, I do think their days as members of the Euro elite power structure are numbered. Not so much because their fellow European bigwigs won’t tolerate this sort of thing, but because these guys’ irresponsible handling of the situation had the effect of dragging the Fed into this. They have become liabilities for the Euro power elite, and are a lot more expendable than Bernanke and his circle of influence.


51 posted on 01/27/2008 3:34:00 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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