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The Case for Rudy Giuliani
Townhall.com ^ | 1/22/08 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 01/22/2008 4:51:53 AM PST by StatenIsland

Rudy Giuliani may have made a great mistake by not campaigning in New Hampshire, Nevada, Iowa and South Carolina. But between Rudy Giuliani (and, for that matter, Mitt Romney) on the one hand and John McCain on the other, there is little question as to who more embodies mainstream conservative and Republican principles.

But Giuliani is not merely more of a conservative than John McCain. In fact, if it is Ronald Reagan that Republicans want, Giuliani is extraordinarily close to that venerated man. Ronald Reagan stood for two great beliefs: that big government is a big problem for a free society and that America must be militarily strong and lead the war against global communism.

Substitute "global jihadism" for "global communism" and you have Rudy Giuliani's twin pillars. His one major weakness in appealing to all conservatives is that he is for abortion rights. Let me, then, briefly address all those who, like me, consider nearly all abortions immoral.

Ronald Reagan was pro-life, and it mattered little to the pro-life cause. Concerning abortion, what matters most in a president is the type of judges he appoints to the Supreme Court. As George Will wrote on behalf of Giuliani, "The way to change abortion law is to change courts by means of judicial nominations of the sort Giuliani promises to make." It is extremely unlikely that John McCain would appoint similarly conservative judges. After all, why would he appoint judges like Scalia and Alito who apparently differ with him on the constitutionality of McCain's own "campaign finance reform" laws?

Pro-life Republicans need to ask themselves: Will a Democrat or Giuliani as president render abortion less common in America? The best is the enemy of the better. And Giuliani is far better on abortion than any Democratic nominee.

Giuliani is for school vouchers, against bilingual education, for reducing taxes further, for reducing government spending. And he has well-thought-out positions on how to achieve these things. He also has the experience of cleaning up the most liberal major city in America.

I write this column aware that Giuliani may have lost his chance at getting the Republican nomination. But I could not live with my conscience if I did not articulate one week before the potentially decisive Florida primary why I believe Rudy Giuliani would make an excellent president of the United States.


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Please do not shoot the messenger.

I am a Conservative. My first choice would be Fred Thompson, but I am also capable of defending Rudy, in the unlikely chance he gets the nomination.

I see the same conservatism in Rudy that Prager sees - always have. I chalk up his socially liberal positions to the practicalities of having to be elected, and effectively govern, an overwhelmingly Liberal and heavily immigrant like New York City.

Point's probably moot, though. His strategy seems to have failed, though, in truth, it wasn't really a choice; it was really the only strategy he had available to him. Even if he had campaigned in the early primary states, he really had no shot to win them, and would have been broke and gone long before Florida - the first contest he would have a real chance to win.

1 posted on 01/22/2008 4:51:54 AM PST by StatenIsland
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To: StatenIsland

I would take Rudy over McCain or Huckabee.


2 posted on 01/22/2008 4:53:52 AM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: StatenIsland
"Rudy Giuliani may have made a great mistake by not campaigning in New Hampshire, "

Not true. Rudy made more visits and spent more money then most of the other candidates.

Hope he loses FL.

3 posted on 01/22/2008 4:56:14 AM PST by rineaux ( Make fun buddy-The Patriot Paul)
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To: StatenIsland

I agree.


4 posted on 01/22/2008 4:56:26 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds ("You ask, 'What is our aim?' I can answer in one word: VICTORY - victory - at all costs...")
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To: StatenIsland

Is this from the Onion?


5 posted on 01/22/2008 4:56:33 AM PST by newzjunkey (Huckabee, Romney, McCain: 3 red herrings, 3 easy pickings for Dems in '08.)
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To: StatenIsland
Please do not shoot the messenger.

I only shoot messengers who shot first.

I'll only say that trying to make a point that Rudy is a viable candidate through comparisons to the Democrats is disingenuous. When compared to rival Republicans such as Fred Thompson & Duncan Hunter (who's stopped campaigning), he doesn't hold a candle. I'd even vote for Mitt before I'd vote for Giuliani, McCain or Huckabee. Let's see, did I leave anyone out? No one I can mention without a bad taste in my mouth.

6 posted on 01/22/2008 5:01:09 AM PST by bcsco (Tag space for rent: "aPaulogists" need not apply.)
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To: rineaux
You are correct. While Rudy didn't live in New Hampshire like McCain, he did invest a lot of time and money there before bugging out when it became apparent his campaign would be a no show.

All his eggs now are in the Florida basket. He has to win there to be taken seriously.

I'd also take him over McCain or Huckabee. Both of them represent conservative constituencies as pulled them leftward. Rudy was representing a hopelessly liberal constituency and pulled them to the right.

7 posted on 01/22/2008 5:04:12 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: StatenIsland

I read that earlier. I agree with most of what Praeger says...we’ll know soon. Rudy’s chance to break out will be in Thursday’s debate. He’ll have to do better than his previous outings, and I think he will.

Assuming Huck is out, McCain is my least favorite.

So I’m torn between Mitt and Rudy. I like both, Rudy for his scrappiness, Mitt for his down-to-earthedness. I relish the idea of a President Guilliani taking on the WH press corps AND the bureaucracy. I’d be happy with either one. Florida should help me sort out which one gets my nod on Super Tuesday.


8 posted on 01/22/2008 5:06:01 AM PST by Timeout (I hate MediaCrats! ......and trial lawyers.)
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To: StatenIsland

Rudolph William Louis Giuliani
Michael Dale Huckabee
John Sidney McCain III
Willard Mitt Romney

The above would fit in the democrat party!

They all would do or say anything and have did
and said anything for power!

They are all frauds!


9 posted on 01/22/2008 5:06:31 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rudy,Romney,McCain, Huckabee will send a self-abused stomped elephant to the DRNC.)
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To: StatenIsland
Rudy is either my #1 or #2 right now, and I agree with this article. In todays economic situation, we need someone that is a supply sider. Of course, I will probably have to change all of my voting ideals depending on if he is still in the race when Wisconsin rolls around.

For all of those Florida Fred supporters, if he does step out of the race today, and if you really want to stop John McCain, please consider voting Rudy. If Mitt wins, that does not stop McCain, but if Rudy does I think it does (they share the same voters). If McCain wins Florida, he goes into Super Tuesday as the favorite. If Rudy does, it will basically be down to him vs Mitt.

10 posted on 01/22/2008 5:07:43 AM PST by codercpc
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To: StatenIsland

No Rudy, he isn’t the person I would settle for.

He doesn’t even deserve mention because he was too scared of going after the nomination by participating in the first states.

Argh


11 posted on 01/22/2008 5:07:57 AM PST by indylindy (Since principles no longer matter in the GOP, I am sitting it out this time around. Probaby forever)
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To: StatenIsland

I would vote for Rudy or Romney anyday over McLiar or the Huckabeast! Fox has been touting ALL morning how McCain is beating Rudy in Florida but they fail to mention Romney’s beating McCain. The fix is in.

It will be interesting to see who Fred endorses. If he gets behind McLiar - I will have lost all respect.


12 posted on 01/22/2008 5:08:29 AM PST by Minn. 4 Bush
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To: StatenIsland
I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-gay rights, Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing,” he responded. Source: CNN.com, “Inside Politics” Dec 2, 1999 http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Rudy_Giuliani_Abortion.htm

ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES (November 14, 2006)

RUDY GIULIANI (R), FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: I'm pro- choice. I'm pro-gay rights.

KING: Giuliani supports a woman's right to an abortion, and back in 1999, he opposed a federal ban on late-term abortions.

GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.

KING: Immigration could be another presidential landmine. Back in 1996, Mayor Giuliani went to federal court to challenge new federal laws requiring the city to inform the federal government about illegal immigrants.

JEFFREY: He took the side of illegal immigrants in New York City against the Republican Congress.

KING: Giuliani opposes same-sex marriage but as mayor, he supported civil unions and extending health and other benefits to gay couples. He also supported the assault weapons ban and other gun control measures opposed by the National Rifle Association.

GIULIANI: I'm in favor of gun control. I'm pro-choice.

Republican Big-Wigs Support Pro-Abortion Event in NY

Pro-abortion Governor George Pataki and New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who also supports unrestricted abortion, are co-chairs of the 2000 Choice Award Presentation to be held on May 30 at the St. Regis Hotel in New York City. The event is sponsored by the Republican Pro-Choice Coalition, a group that is campaigning for the removal of the pro-life plank from the Republican National Platform.


http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200503010743.asp


13 posted on 01/22/2008 5:09:01 AM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: nonliberal

Rudy Guiliani has marched in lockstep with liberals on affirmative action, gay rights, gay marriage, gun control, school prayer, tuition tax credits, liberal immigration policies, and he's reinforced it, time and time again. Just about everytime Rudy opens his mouth, offensive liberal words come pouring out. As Mayor, Rudy put liberals in high-paid city jobs, an indication what a Rudy WH would look like. Here then is Rudy in his own words:

--The New York State Liberal Party on its endorsement of Rudy Giuliani for Mayor: "When the Liberal Party Policy Committee reviewed a list of key social issues of deep concern to progressive New Yorkers, we found that Rudy Giuliani agreed with the Liberal Party's stance on a majority of such issues. He agreed with the Liberal Party's views on affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, school prayer and tuition tax credits. As Mayor, Rudy Giuliani would uphold the Constitutional and legal rights to abortion." N.Y.S. Liberal Party Endorsement Statement of Candidate Giuliani for Mayor of New York City April 8, 1989

--On the Republican Party: "Mr. Rockefeller represented 'a tradition in the Republican Party' I've worked hard to re-kindle - the Rockefeller, Javits, Lefkowitz tradition." Rudy Giuliani told the New York Times July 9, 1992

--Village Voice Interview with Guiliani: He was asked: "What kind of Republican Is [Giuliani]? A Reagan Republican?" Giuliani pauses before answering: "I'm a Republican." Village Voice January 24, 1989

--On Attending 1996 Republican Convention: Rudy expressed his pleasure when he wasn't invited to the Republican National Convention in San Diego. "If I take three or four days off from city business, I want to do it for a substantive purpose. It didn't seem to me any substantive purpose could be served by going to the Republican convention." said Rudy. Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Page 459, by Wayne Barrett

--On Barry Goldwater: Giuliani described John Kennedy as "great and brilliant. Barry Goldwater as an "incompetent, confused and sometimes idiotic man." New York Daily News, May 13, 1997

--On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.

--The Daily News quoted Giuliani as saying March 1996: "Whether you talk about President Clinon, Senator Dole.... The country would be in very good hands in the hands of any of that group." An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.
14 posted on 01/22/2008 5:09:19 AM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: StatenIsland

If Fred is gone my support will shift to Rudy.


15 posted on 01/22/2008 5:10:29 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: nonliberal

It’s amazing - pundits seem to be all over the map with this election. It seems to be completely unpredictable.

One thing I do know: the New York media is taking potshots at Rudy every single day, and touting McCain. And it’s all so painfully obvious that they’re doing it, too.

For what it’s worth, they DO NOT want Giuliani to win this nomination, and they most certainly DO want McCain.

From todays NY Daily News: FIERY MCCAIN GIVES GIULIANI BIG HEADACHE and MCCAIN’S LEAD CAUSES EMPIRE STATE BLUES FOR RUDY.

If it weren’t so transparently comical and heavy-handed, it would be, at the very least, some serious and unforgiveable editorializing. But that’s what we’ve come to expect from the MSM, yes?


16 posted on 01/22/2008 5:13:33 AM PST by StatenIsland (I'm a Dead-Cat Republican. I'd vote for a dead cat before I'd vote for a Democrat.)
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To: StatenIsland
His one major weakness in appealing to all conservatives is that he is for abortion rights.

Wrong.

1. War

2. Border

3. Terrorism

4. 2nd Amendment

You can't separate these issues.

Cultural Marxism ultimately leads to economic Marxism...


All cultures ARE NOT equal!

17 posted on 01/22/2008 5:16:37 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: StatenIsland
Please do not shoot the messenger... but I am also capable of defending Rudy.. I see the same conservatism in Rudy that Prager sees - always have

(sniff, sniff) -- I smell ozone in the air. And the Viking Kitties are sharpening their Battle Axes and are getting ready to man the boats.

And Rooty's NO conservative. Ta-ta. (IBTZ)

18 posted on 01/22/2008 5:16:52 AM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
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To: StatenIsland
There is video out today of ROOTY begging like a 10 year old to drive a NASCAR pace car. Go see that and tell me what you think then.
19 posted on 01/22/2008 5:21:35 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Stop the unFair Tax now; before it is fair for your neighbor and not you.)
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To: StatenIsland
Romney and McCain have just recently joined Rudy in calling for corporate tax rates to be slashed from 35% to 25%.

Rudy's been saying it for some time. They see that the proposal is a winner so have copied him.

I think Rudy's the best leader of the 3.

20 posted on 01/22/2008 5:22:53 AM PST by what's up
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To: StatenIsland

He’s still pro-choice and I won’t vote for him.


21 posted on 01/22/2008 5:32:09 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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Funny how Rush Limbaugh...certainly the most liberal person in America...always mentions three individuals when he talks about how bad it would be for the Republican Party if Republicans to nominate either Mike Huckabee or Johm McCain: Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney, and Rudy Giuliani.

Fred is history, if he was ever a serious contender, so that leaves just two Republicans who represent honesty and integrity, Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani. Of the two, Giuliani is by far the strongest leader and the toughest on securing the nation. He is also as strong as Mitt or anyone else in his conservative history of lowering taxes and spending in one of the most Liberal states in America.

Reason, rationality, and courage of convictions are the most important defining character traits of a true conservative. All of the hateful words being left here by the "I hate Rudy"-bots are the antithesis of what "Conservatism" stands for.

You have a policy difference with Rudy, express it rationally, express it calmly and rationally, If you argue like the Liberals on DU do, with words of hatred and emotion, you've lost the argument before it has even started.

This article is about as accurate an evaluation as I have seen. George Will who has been a pillar of traditional conservatism supports his candidacy, as do many of us who have been fighting for the Conservative cause all of our lives. I would rather have a pro-life, pro-Second amendment Conservative, but to assert, without any rational basis, that there is no difference between Rudy and the Democrats is dishonest and pure demgoguery at its foulest and most vile.
22 posted on 01/22/2008 5:32:33 AM PST by Sudetenland (Mike Huckabee=Bill Clinton. Can we afford another Clinton in the White House...from either party?)
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To: StatenIsland
I will grant Dennis Prager a little leeway here, since it is clear from this article that he is thoroughly ignorant about Rudy Giuliani's background and track record.

Based on my assessment of his positions on various issues, I'd Rudy Giuliani would probably garner a rating from the American Conservative Union of about 20-25, which means this line from the article is so silly it hurts:

But Giuliani is not merely more of a conservative than John McCain. In fact, if it is Ronald Reagan that Republicans want, Giuliani is extraordinarily close to that venerated man.

Giuliani's well-documented track record is one of a big-government, nanny-state totalitarian. There is nothing conservative about him at all.

23 posted on 01/22/2008 5:36:41 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: ConorMacNessa
He’s still pro-choice and I won’t vote for him.

He is still a gun-grabber just like Hitlery... I won't vote for him either...

24 posted on 01/22/2008 5:39:20 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: StatenIsland
With all the negatives surfacing concerning our "9/11 hero mayor," I have yet to read anything referring to what I consider Giuliani's most evil deed. I refer to the cruel and very abrupt closing of the Neponsit Nursing Home.

Resident removal: a modern long-term care saga

U.S. and State Assail City in Closing of Queens Nursing Home

Judge Rules On Neponsit Health Care

Nursing Home Demolition To Be Pursued Despite Ruling

Vallone Says: Reopen Neponsit Home

Neponsit Refugees Win $5 Million Settlement from City

$5 Million Settlement Reached With City Over Evacuation of a Queens Nursing Home

In Queens, Closed Nursing Home Still Open to Controversy

25 posted on 01/22/2008 6:33:55 AM PST by Alice in Wonderland (Fred!)
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To: StatenIsland

I’ve seen a ‘Guiliani’ administration. From January of 93 to January of 2001.

The only difference is we’ve never seen Bill Clinton, another guy that can’t keep his pants zipped, in drag.

Anyone that would even consider voting for a guy that thought suing gun manufacturers was a good thing cannot call themselves a Conservative.

Likewise, anyone that would even consider voting for a man that sued the Federal Government to block Welfare Reform cannot call themselves a Conservative.

Anyone that would vote for a man that routinely cross dresses, and LIKES IT...well, they’ve got some serious ‘issues’ of their own, and need therapy.

Just my opinion.


26 posted on 01/22/2008 6:37:09 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: StatenIsland

As George Will wrote on behalf of Giuliani, “The way to change abortion law is to change courts by means of judicial nominations of the sort Giuliani promises to make.” It is extremely unlikely that John McCain would appoint similarly conservative judges. After all, why would he appoint judges like Scalia and Alito who apparently differ with him on the constitutionality of McCain’s own “campaign finance reform” laws?

Pro-life Republicans need to ask themselves: Will a Democrat or Giuliani as president render abortion less common in America? The best is the enemy of the better. And Giuliani is far better on abortion than any Democratic nominee.


That’s the whole kettle of fish in a nutshell.


27 posted on 01/22/2008 6:42:12 AM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: StatenIsland

Sorry, there is no case to be made for Rudy: I will NOT vote for Rudy. <-— Notice the period


28 posted on 01/22/2008 6:48:30 AM PST by AFreeBird (Fred 08)
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To: StatenIsland
Yes, McCain is extremely, and openly hostile to Conservatives. He hates us, and has said so many times. He is campaigning against us, and campaigning for liberals, using liberal speak. He uses his buds in the liberal press against us, and the President. He uses the MSM FOR his friends, the liberals, in the Senate, he flirted with Kerry for VP, during wartime, FGS.

FR may hate RG, but he does not hate us, has not vowed to work against us, hasn’t stabbed the President in the back, has campaigned for prolife, social conservatives since 98, and certainly is not running a liberal campaign, quite the opposite.

If the Mayor opens up on McCain for his weakness in the WOT, torture, his pussyfooting with the ACLU about Gitmo, (RG does hate the ACLU,lol), and reminds voters that McCain is running with the NYT in his back pocket, he could make some headway. Who knows.

29 posted on 01/22/2008 6:52:51 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: Senator Goldwater
And he has Miguel Estrada and Ted Olson working on his campaign.
30 posted on 01/22/2008 6:55:50 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: Badeye
Anyone that would even consider voting for a guy that thought suing gun manufacturers was a good thing cannot call themselves a Conservative.

If Fred gets out of the race, I don't think a true conservative can vote for any of the remaining guys with a clear conscience. I am now convinced that the conservative movement would be far better off with a brokered convention where we could pick an acceptable candidate than to vote for one of the table scraps left.

31 posted on 01/22/2008 7:05:19 AM PST by CommerceComet (Mitt Romney: boldly saying whatever the audience wants to hear.)
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To: StatenIsland
"Please do not shoot the messenger."

Don't worry. If Giuliani is elected, most of the guns I have will be banned.

32 posted on 01/22/2008 7:15:38 AM PST by RabidBartender
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To: StatenIsland

You forgot to put (Barf Alert). Where do I start, Abortion, Gun control, ethics issues. Rudy is a law and order liberal, but a liberal nonetheless.


33 posted on 01/22/2008 7:18:55 AM PST by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: rineaux; StatenIsland
"Rudy Giuliani may have made a great mistake by not campaigning in New Hampshire......"

Oh, please. Giuliani is up to his old tricks---manipulating voters.

He recently announced his top staffers are working gratis---Giuliani wants voters to think he managed to spend all his campaign money without having actually competed in any of the early primary/caucus states.

The truth is that Rudy spent all his money because he HAS competed in all those states, and lost dismally. The number of times Rooty went to New Hampshire to campaign was second only to Romney.

Rudy just CLAIMS he hasn't been competing because the results show he is a bigtime loser, rejected by primary/caucus voters.

Although Giuliani talks big, and tries to cast himself as a warrior/hero, he cuts and runs when he feels competitive pressure. He chickened out of the Senate race vs. Hillary. More recently, he cut and run in Iowa, New Hampshire, Michigan, and now South Carolina.

He's the gutless wonder....a talker, not a doer. He wins Florida or loses whatever credibility he has left (not much).

34 posted on 01/22/2008 7:19:34 AM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: roses of sharon

Great point.

Rudy will appoint strict constructionists to the federal bench, and the Democrats will not.

Ballgame.


35 posted on 01/22/2008 7:21:49 AM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: All

Isn’t this special? The Rooty Roosters are back to make one last push for their limp wristed Chicken Hawk.


36 posted on 01/22/2008 7:23:30 AM PST by Kuksool (Giuliani avoided the early primaries in the same manner that he avoided Vietnam service)
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To: Liz

Exactly!!

Spent money in states he came in last place. Mr. Mayor we see through you.

Also, I so agree and have said/wrote it myself, he had the opportunity to run and possibly beat Hillary but he failed to do so.

Thanks but no thanks. Can’t wait till Saturday when he packs up his purse and leaves. Maybe he will be the VP for Obama or Hillary.


37 posted on 01/22/2008 7:29:42 AM PST by rineaux ( Make fun buddy-The Patriot Paul)
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To: Senator Goldwater
Rudy will appoint strict constructionists to the federal bench, and the Democrats will not.

Rudy Giuliani wouldn't even know what "strict constructionism" was if it bit him in the @ss.

38 posted on 01/22/2008 7:34:27 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Liz
He chickened out of the Senate race vs. Hillary.

With all due respect to a fine fellow freeper, I'll have to challenge you on that point. I'm just about finished reading Giuliani's book "Leadership." He writes quite a bit about dropping out of the Senate race. He talks about when he was diagnosed with prostate cancer and was looking at all the treatment options. He consulted with a lot of people and felt he just wouldn't have the strength to run a Senate campaign.

I tend to believe his explanation. I've seen other people go through radiation therapy, and it can be draining. There are fair criticisms that can be made of Giuliani, but his withdrawal from the 2000 Senate race was perfectly justifiable under the circumstances.

39 posted on 01/22/2008 7:43:29 AM PST by Our man in washington
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To: StatenIsland

As one who has been following (and fighting) terrorism since the early eighties, I am mostly a single issue voter. I want a President who can articulate THE issue of our time, not be afraid to call it what it IS and DO something about it!

I believe it is an especially critical time in our history when many issues should not be the main issues in a Presidential race. It does not mean they are not important but that we should think of other ways of dealing with them and focus on our security.

I support Rudy now because, not only does HE GETS IT,  he can also best articulate the most important issue of our time--our National Security!  He doesn't have to think about it.

Romney certainly doesn't get it if he thinks you can just pluck someone out of the State Dept.  I like to be able to talk shorthand with people on important issues.  We need a President who KNOWS the history so experts can talk to him or her in shorthand and not have to provide decades (centuries!) of history to get him or her enough up to speed to address emergency situations.  It's not even like the old days when the communications took days and months--everything is instantaneous today!  Imagine the learning curve Romney would need if he can make such a ridiculous statement!

...Frankly, if all we want is somebody who spent a lot of time in foreign policy, we just go to the State Department and pluck someone from that — of the thousands who were there. ...http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318750,00.html
 


 


 

40 posted on 01/22/2008 7:44:52 AM PST by Ooh-Ah
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To: Alberta's Child

Rudy Giuliani wouldn’t even know what “strict constructionism” was if it bit him in the @ss.


Sure he would. You don’t come out of the Reagan Justice Dept without knowing that.

That’s where most of the original intent adherents were vetted.


41 posted on 01/22/2008 7:45:47 AM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: Kuksool
their limp wristed Chicken Hawk.

Your suck up McCain will lose to Hillary, cant you see that? Who wants a 72 year old hothead with health problems who will do anything to maintain Senate comity, including carrying the water for the Democrats? Hes a nightmare, and so are his supporters like yourself. Being a war prisoner and being from Arizona are not enough. He sure doesnt represent conservatism in any way.

42 posted on 01/22/2008 7:52:26 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Ooh-Ah
Speaking of the State Dept, when RG talks about shaking up State he says, “the era of cost free anti-Americanism must end”. Just imagine the “diplomats” who would resign if he is elected, lol!

The foreign policy essays of RG, MR, JM, MH, to compare and contrast.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070901faessay86501/rudolph-giuliani/toward-a-realistic-peace.html

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20071101faessay86602/john-mccain/an-enduring-peace-built-on-freedom.html

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070701faessay86402/mitt-romney/rising-to-a-new-generation-of-global-challenges.html

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20080101faessay87112/michael-d-huckabee/america-s-priorities-in-the-war-on-terror.html

43 posted on 01/22/2008 8:01:58 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: StatenIsland; Jim Robinson
Well, let's see what the Head FReeper has to say about Giuliani:

WILL FR EMBRACE SOCIALISM TO MAKE WAY FOR A GIULIANI PRESIDENCY?

If Rudy's nominated, I'm voting 3rd party. Simple as that.

44 posted on 01/22/2008 8:05:54 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Respectfully, I believe that Hillary will thank you with a baby-killing, property and gun confiscating police state.

Rudy is far from my first choice. If nominated, however, I would get up early to be among the first in line to vote for Rudy (over Hillary).

Those who want to make a "statement" with a 3rd party vote should consider what this statement really means.

(Think Perot, here)

45 posted on 01/22/2008 8:23:32 AM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: CommerceComet

‘If Fred gets out of the race, I don’t think a true conservative can vote for any of the remaining guys with a clear conscience. I am now convinced that the conservative movement would be far better off with a brokered convention where we could pick an acceptable candidate than to vote for one of the table scraps left.’

I find it rather funny you think a Conservative would emerge from a ‘brokered convention’ to be honest.


46 posted on 01/22/2008 8:25:24 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: Seaplaner
Respectfully, I believe that Hillary will thank you with a baby-killing, property and gun confiscating police state.

My non-vote for Rudy does not equal a vote for Hillary.

Gun confiscation, police state, and abortion will be the norm under Rudy as well.

47 posted on 01/22/2008 8:30:10 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Our man in washington
In Giuliani's book, he writes quite a bit about dropping out of the Senate race. He talks about when he was diagnosed with prostate cancer and was looking at all the treatment options. He consulted with a lot of people and felt he just wouldn't have the strength to run a Senate campaign.I tend to believe his explanation. I've seen other people go through radiation therapy, and it can be draining.

Anything self-serving Rudy says, does or writes has to be taken with a grain of salt.........he says and does nothing unless it serves his ambitions.

Here's the deal on his so-called "cancer" scare.

FReeper calcowgirl did the research; on Sept 2007 she posted her findings:

Rudy quit the race, announcing he had cancer, but he was up and working almost immediately after quitting the Senate race. To those playin' violins about his debilitating cancer and the chemo treatment, here are excerpts from published news reports that tell the real story:

Rudy had radioactive seed implantation on September 15 and was up on his feet in one day. There was no chemo.

He missed a day or two of work and within a week he had marched in a parade, presided over a town hall-style meeting, gone on the stump for Lazio, and conducted daily press conferences, including one pushing a $1 Billion taxpayer-subsidized stadium in Manhattan's West Side after holding meetings with both the Yankees and Jets owners that week.

In May 2000 he dropped out a mere 11 days before the State Convention where he was to be nominated leaving the GOP high and dry (with no other choice but to recruit Lazio).

His doctors said they thought campaigning was perfectly within his physical capabilities; if he started treatment right way, he would have recovered and been "full speed" by the time the campaign normally kicked in. Instead, he delayed that procedure until September.

Rudy dropped out because a) he figured he was going to get his arse whooped, and, b) he had organized several global businesses and a global law firm that were earning him a million dollars per month.

48 posted on 01/22/2008 8:33:33 AM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: Senator Goldwater
Sure he would. You don’t come out of the Reagan Justice Dept without knowing that. That’s where most of the original intent adherents were vetted.

Then that makes his track record in New York City -- in which he displayed a pathological hostility to anything that smacked of "original intent" on the Federal level -- all that much more disgraceful.

He's nothing more than an opportunistic fraud, and he sure as hell ain't no conservative. He's an unapologetic leftist whose entire campaign has been predicated on his ability to obscure his own past.

49 posted on 01/22/2008 8:34:26 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Nonstatist
Who wants a 72 year old hothead with health problems . . .

Wait a minute . . . Wasn't Rudy Giuliani the one who was flat on his back in a hospital emergency room in St. Louis just a few weeks ago?

50 posted on 01/22/2008 8:36:39 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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