Posted on 01/22/2008 4:51:53 AM PST by StatenIsland
Rudy Giuliani may have made a great mistake by not campaigning in New Hampshire, Nevada, Iowa and South Carolina. But between Rudy Giuliani (and, for that matter, Mitt Romney) on the one hand and John McCain on the other, there is little question as to who more embodies mainstream conservative and Republican principles.
But Giuliani is not merely more of a conservative than John McCain. In fact, if it is Ronald Reagan that Republicans want, Giuliani is extraordinarily close to that venerated man. Ronald Reagan stood for two great beliefs: that big government is a big problem for a free society and that America must be militarily strong and lead the war against global communism.
Substitute "global jihadism" for "global communism" and you have Rudy Giuliani's twin pillars. His one major weakness in appealing to all conservatives is that he is for abortion rights. Let me, then, briefly address all those who, like me, consider nearly all abortions immoral.
Ronald Reagan was pro-life, and it mattered little to the pro-life cause. Concerning abortion, what matters most in a president is the type of judges he appoints to the Supreme Court. As George Will wrote on behalf of Giuliani, "The way to change abortion law is to change courts by means of judicial nominations of the sort Giuliani promises to make." It is extremely unlikely that John McCain would appoint similarly conservative judges. After all, why would he appoint judges like Scalia and Alito who apparently differ with him on the constitutionality of McCain's own "campaign finance reform" laws?
Pro-life Republicans need to ask themselves: Will a Democrat or Giuliani as president render abortion less common in America? The best is the enemy of the better. And Giuliani is far better on abortion than any Democratic nominee.
Giuliani is for school vouchers, against bilingual education, for reducing taxes further, for reducing government spending. And he has well-thought-out positions on how to achieve these things. He also has the experience of cleaning up the most liberal major city in America.
I write this column aware that Giuliani may have lost his chance at getting the Republican nomination. But I could not live with my conscience if I did not articulate one week before the potentially decisive Florida primary why I believe Rudy Giuliani would make an excellent president of the United States.
I am a Conservative. My first choice would be Fred Thompson, but I am also capable of defending Rudy, in the unlikely chance he gets the nomination.
I see the same conservatism in Rudy that Prager sees - always have. I chalk up his socially liberal positions to the practicalities of having to be elected, and effectively govern, an overwhelmingly Liberal and heavily immigrant like New York City.
Point's probably moot, though. His strategy seems to have failed, though, in truth, it wasn't really a choice; it was really the only strategy he had available to him. Even if he had campaigned in the early primary states, he really had no shot to win them, and would have been broke and gone long before Florida - the first contest he would have a real chance to win.
I would take Rudy over McCain or Huckabee.
Not true. Rudy made more visits and spent more money then most of the other candidates.
Hope he loses FL.
I agree.
Is this from the Onion?
I only shoot messengers who shot first.
I'll only say that trying to make a point that Rudy is a viable candidate through comparisons to the Democrats is disingenuous. When compared to rival Republicans such as Fred Thompson & Duncan Hunter (who's stopped campaigning), he doesn't hold a candle. I'd even vote for Mitt before I'd vote for Giuliani, McCain or Huckabee. Let's see, did I leave anyone out? No one I can mention without a bad taste in my mouth.
All his eggs now are in the Florida basket. He has to win there to be taken seriously.
I'd also take him over McCain or Huckabee. Both of them represent conservative constituencies as pulled them leftward. Rudy was representing a hopelessly liberal constituency and pulled them to the right.
I read that earlier. I agree with most of what Praeger says...we’ll know soon. Rudy’s chance to break out will be in Thursday’s debate. He’ll have to do better than his previous outings, and I think he will.
Assuming Huck is out, McCain is my least favorite.
So I’m torn between Mitt and Rudy. I like both, Rudy for his scrappiness, Mitt for his down-to-earthedness. I relish the idea of a President Guilliani taking on the WH press corps AND the bureaucracy. I’d be happy with either one. Florida should help me sort out which one gets my nod on Super Tuesday.
Rudolph William Louis Giuliani
Michael Dale Huckabee
John Sidney McCain III
Willard Mitt Romney
The above would fit in the democrat party!
They all would do or say anything and have did
and said anything for power!
They are all frauds!
For all of those Florida Fred supporters, if he does step out of the race today, and if you really want to stop John McCain, please consider voting Rudy. If Mitt wins, that does not stop McCain, but if Rudy does I think it does (they share the same voters). If McCain wins Florida, he goes into Super Tuesday as the favorite. If Rudy does, it will basically be down to him vs Mitt.
No Rudy, he isn’t the person I would settle for.
He doesn’t even deserve mention because he was too scared of going after the nomination by participating in the first states.
Argh
I would vote for Rudy or Romney anyday over McLiar or the Huckabeast! Fox has been touting ALL morning how McCain is beating Rudy in Florida but they fail to mention Romney’s beating McCain. The fix is in.
It will be interesting to see who Fred endorses. If he gets behind McLiar - I will have lost all respect.
Im pro-choice. Im pro-gay rights, Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. No, I have not supported that, and I dont see my position on that changing, he responded. Source: CNN.com, Inside Politics Dec 2, 1999 http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Rudy_Giuliani_Abortion.htm
ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES (November 14, 2006)
RUDY GIULIANI (R), FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: I'm pro- choice. I'm pro-gay rights.KING: Giuliani supports a woman's right to an abortion, and back in 1999, he opposed a federal ban on late-term abortions.
GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.
KING: Immigration could be another presidential landmine. Back in 1996, Mayor Giuliani went to federal court to challenge new federal laws requiring the city to inform the federal government about illegal immigrants.
JEFFREY: He took the side of illegal immigrants in New York City against the Republican Congress.
KING: Giuliani opposes same-sex marriage but as mayor, he supported civil unions and extending health and other benefits to gay couples. He also supported the assault weapons ban and other gun control measures opposed by the National Rifle Association.
GIULIANI: I'm in favor of gun control. I'm pro-choice.
Republican Big-Wigs Support Pro-Abortion Event in NY
Pro-abortion Governor George Pataki and New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who also supports unrestricted abortion, are co-chairs of the 2000 Choice Award Presentation to be held on May 30 at the St. Regis Hotel in New York City. The event is sponsored by the Republican Pro-Choice Coalition, a group that is campaigning for the removal of the pro-life plank from the Republican National Platform.
http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200503010743.asp
If Fred is gone my support will shift to Rudy.
It’s amazing - pundits seem to be all over the map with this election. It seems to be completely unpredictable.
One thing I do know: the New York media is taking potshots at Rudy every single day, and touting McCain. And it’s all so painfully obvious that they’re doing it, too.
For what it’s worth, they DO NOT want Giuliani to win this nomination, and they most certainly DO want McCain.
From todays NY Daily News: FIERY MCCAIN GIVES GIULIANI BIG HEADACHE and MCCAIN’S LEAD CAUSES EMPIRE STATE BLUES FOR RUDY.
If it weren’t so transparently comical and heavy-handed, it would be, at the very least, some serious and unforgiveable editorializing. But that’s what we’ve come to expect from the MSM, yes?
Wrong.
1. War
2. Border
3. Terrorism
4. 2nd Amendment
You can't separate these issues.


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All cultures ARE NOT equal!
Please do not shoot the messenger... but I am also capable of defending Rudy.. I see the same conservatism in Rudy that Prager sees - always have
(sniff, sniff) -- I smell ozone in the air. And the Viking Kitties are sharpening their Battle Axes and are getting ready to man the boats.
And Rooty's NO conservative. Ta-ta. (IBTZ)
Rudy's been saying it for some time. They see that the proposal is a winner so have copied him.
I think Rudy's the best leader of the 3.
He’s still pro-choice and I won’t vote for him.
Based on my assessment of his positions on various issues, I'd Rudy Giuliani would probably garner a rating from the American Conservative Union of about 20-25, which means this line from the article is so silly it hurts:
But Giuliani is not merely more of a conservative than John McCain. In fact, if it is Ronald Reagan that Republicans want, Giuliani is extraordinarily close to that venerated man.
Giuliani's well-documented track record is one of a big-government, nanny-state totalitarian. There is nothing conservative about him at all.
He is still a gun-grabber just like Hitlery... I won't vote for him either...
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I’ve seen a ‘Guiliani’ administration. From January of 93 to January of 2001.
The only difference is we’ve never seen Bill Clinton, another guy that can’t keep his pants zipped, in drag.
Anyone that would even consider voting for a guy that thought suing gun manufacturers was a good thing cannot call themselves a Conservative.
Likewise, anyone that would even consider voting for a man that sued the Federal Government to block Welfare Reform cannot call themselves a Conservative.
Anyone that would vote for a man that routinely cross dresses, and LIKES IT...well, they’ve got some serious ‘issues’ of their own, and need therapy.
Just my opinion.
As George Will wrote on behalf of Giuliani, “The way to change abortion law is to change courts by means of judicial nominations of the sort Giuliani promises to make.” It is extremely unlikely that John McCain would appoint similarly conservative judges. After all, why would he appoint judges like Scalia and Alito who apparently differ with him on the constitutionality of McCain’s own “campaign finance reform” laws?
Pro-life Republicans need to ask themselves: Will a Democrat or Giuliani as president render abortion less common in America? The best is the enemy of the better. And Giuliani is far better on abortion than any Democratic nominee.
Sorry, there is no case to be made for Rudy: I will NOT vote for Rudy. <-— Notice the period
FR may hate RG, but he does not hate us, has not vowed to work against us, hasnt stabbed the President in the back, has campaigned for prolife, social conservatives since 98, and certainly is not running a liberal campaign, quite the opposite.
If the Mayor opens up on McCain for his weakness in the WOT, torture, his pussyfooting with the ACLU about Gitmo, (RG does hate the ACLU,lol), and reminds voters that McCain is running with the NYT in his back pocket, he could make some headway. Who knows.
If Fred gets out of the race, I don't think a true conservative can vote for any of the remaining guys with a clear conscience. I am now convinced that the conservative movement would be far better off with a brokered convention where we could pick an acceptable candidate than to vote for one of the table scraps left.
Don't worry. If Giuliani is elected, most of the guns I have will be banned.
You forgot to put (Barf Alert). Where do I start, Abortion, Gun control, ethics issues. Rudy is a law and order liberal, but a liberal nonetheless.
Oh, please. Giuliani is up to his old tricks---manipulating voters.
He recently announced his top staffers are working gratis---Giuliani wants voters to think he managed to spend all his campaign money without having actually competed in any of the early primary/caucus states.
The truth is that Rudy spent all his money because he HAS competed in all those states, and lost dismally. The number of times Rooty went to New Hampshire to campaign was second only to Romney.
Rudy just CLAIMS he hasn't been competing because the results show he is a bigtime loser, rejected by primary/caucus voters.
Although Giuliani talks big, and tries to cast himself as a warrior/hero, he cuts and runs when he feels competitive pressure. He chickened out of the Senate race vs. Hillary. More recently, he cut and run in Iowa, New Hampshire, Michigan, and now South Carolina.
He's the gutless wonder....a talker, not a doer. He wins Florida or loses whatever credibility he has left (not much).
Great point.
Rudy will appoint strict constructionists to the federal bench, and the Democrats will not.
Ballgame.
Isn’t this special? The Rooty Roosters are back to make one last push for their limp wristed Chicken Hawk.
Exactly!!
Spent money in states he came in last place. Mr. Mayor we see through you.
Also, I so agree and have said/wrote it myself, he had the opportunity to run and possibly beat Hillary but he failed to do so.
Thanks but no thanks. Can’t wait till Saturday when he packs up his purse and leaves. Maybe he will be the VP for Obama or Hillary.
Rudy Giuliani wouldn't even know what "strict constructionism" was if it bit him in the @ss.
With all due respect to a fine fellow freeper, I'll have to challenge you on that point. I'm just about finished reading Giuliani's book "Leadership." He writes quite a bit about dropping out of the Senate race. He talks about when he was diagnosed with prostate cancer and was looking at all the treatment options. He consulted with a lot of people and felt he just wouldn't have the strength to run a Senate campaign.
I tend to believe his explanation. I've seen other people go through radiation therapy, and it can be draining. There are fair criticisms that can be made of Giuliani, but his withdrawal from the 2000 Senate race was perfectly justifiable under the circumstances.
I believe it is an especially critical time in our history when many issues should not be the main issues in a Presidential race. It does not mean they are not important but that we should think of other ways of dealing with them and focus on our security.
I support Rudy now because, not only does HE GETS IT, he can also best articulate the most important issue of our time--our National Security! He doesn't have to think about it.
Romney certainly doesn't get it if he thinks you can just pluck someone out of the State Dept. I like to be able to talk shorthand with people on important issues. We need a President who KNOWS the history so experts can talk to him or her in shorthand and not have to provide decades (centuries!) of history to get him or her enough up to speed to address emergency situations. It's not even like the old days when the communications took days and months--everything is instantaneous today! Imagine the learning curve Romney would need if he can make such a ridiculous statement!
Rudy Giuliani wouldn’t even know what “strict constructionism” was if it bit him in the @ss.
That’s where most of the original intent adherents were vetted.
Your suck up McCain will lose to Hillary, cant you see that? Who wants a 72 year old hothead with health problems who will do anything to maintain Senate comity, including carrying the water for the Democrats? Hes a nightmare, and so are his supporters like yourself. Being a war prisoner and being from Arizona are not enough. He sure doesnt represent conservatism in any way.
The foreign policy essays of RG, MR, JM, MH, to compare and contrast.
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070901faessay86501/rudolph-giuliani/toward-a-realistic-peace.html
WILL FR EMBRACE SOCIALISM TO MAKE WAY FOR A GIULIANI PRESIDENCY?
If Rudy's nominated, I'm voting 3rd party. Simple as that.
Rudy is far from my first choice. If nominated, however, I would get up early to be among the first in line to vote for Rudy (over Hillary).
Those who want to make a "statement" with a 3rd party vote should consider what this statement really means.
(Think Perot, here)
‘If Fred gets out of the race, I don’t think a true conservative can vote for any of the remaining guys with a clear conscience. I am now convinced that the conservative movement would be far better off with a brokered convention where we could pick an acceptable candidate than to vote for one of the table scraps left.’
I find it rather funny you think a Conservative would emerge from a ‘brokered convention’ to be honest.
My non-vote for Rudy does not equal a vote for Hillary.
Gun confiscation, police state, and abortion will be the norm under Rudy as well.
Anything self-serving Rudy says, does or writes has to be taken with a grain of salt.........he says and does nothing unless it serves his ambitions.
Here's the deal on his so-called "cancer" scare.
FReeper calcowgirl did the research; on Sept 2007 she posted her findings:
Rudy quit the race, announcing he had cancer, but he was up and working almost immediately after quitting the Senate race. To those playin' violins about his debilitating cancer and the chemo treatment, here are excerpts from published news reports that tell the real story:
Rudy had radioactive seed implantation on September 15 and was up on his feet in one day. There was no chemo.
He missed a day or two of work and within a week he had marched in a parade, presided over a town hall-style meeting, gone on the stump for Lazio, and conducted daily press conferences, including one pushing a $1 Billion taxpayer-subsidized stadium in Manhattan's West Side after holding meetings with both the Yankees and Jets owners that week.
In May 2000 he dropped out a mere 11 days before the State Convention where he was to be nominated leaving the GOP high and dry (with no other choice but to recruit Lazio).
His doctors said they thought campaigning was perfectly within his physical capabilities; if he started treatment right way, he would have recovered and been "full speed" by the time the campaign normally kicked in. Instead, he delayed that procedure until September.
Rudy dropped out because a) he figured he was going to get his arse whooped, and, b) he had organized several global businesses and a global law firm that were earning him a million dollars per month.
Then that makes his track record in New York City -- in which he displayed a pathological hostility to anything that smacked of "original intent" on the Federal level -- all that much more disgraceful.
He's nothing more than an opportunistic fraud, and he sure as hell ain't no conservative. He's an unapologetic leftist whose entire campaign has been predicated on his ability to obscure his own past.
Wait a minute . . . Wasn't Rudy Giuliani the one who was flat on his back in a hospital emergency room in St. Louis just a few weeks ago?
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