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Bill Delays Oil Exploration for Polar Bear Listing
crosswalk.com ^ | Monisha Bansal

Posted on 01/21/2008 4:10:04 AM PST by saganite

Environmentalists welcomed a bill introduced Thursday by the chairman of the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming that would delay the sale of land in Alaska for oil exploration. They believe the Department of Interior has delayed classifying the polar bear under the Endangered Species Act until after they can sell this land, which is also polar bear habitat.

"The only thing keeping pace with the melting of the sea ice is the breakneck speed with which the Department of the Interior is rushing to approve oil and gas activities in polar bear habitat," said Kassie Siegel, director of the Center for Biological Diversity's Climate, Air and Energy Program, a liberal organization.

"This oil and gas sale must not proceed, because the impacts to polar bears have not been considered," Siegel said.

Biological Diversity is one of several environmental groups that sued the Department of Interior for failing to meet their deadline for classifying the polar bear on Jan. 9, 2008. If the polar bear is not listed as an endangered species, Siegel said they will take the government to court.

Committee Chairman Ed Markey's bill would require that the Interior Department delay the oil drilling rights sale in the Chukchi Sea (for Sale 193) - currently scheduled for Feb. 6 - until it had made a decision on the polar bear.

According to Randall Luthi, director of the Minerals Management Service, "the Chukchi Sea Planning Area could hold 15 billion barrels of oil and 76 trillion cubic feet of natural gas ... thus providing potentially significant future production of oil and gas from Northern Alaska."

"Sale 193 was originally scheduled for June 2007, but we delayed the sale until February 2008 to provide sufficient time to complete the environmental analyses," he said in his testimony for the select committee on Thursday.

Dale Hall, director of the Fish and Wildlife Service, added that "a review of various factors led to a determination that these activities do not threaten polar bears throughout all or a significant portion of its range."

"It's just absurd," countered Siegel. "There is a 40 percent chance of an oil spill. That's incredible. That's like saying you have a 40 percent chance of being hit by a bus, you would consider that a really big problem, and you would do something about it.

"By holding up the polar bear finding just a little bit, they're going ahead with this sale before looking at the impacts on polar bears," she told Cybercast News Service. Siegel noted that Luthi said they would not look at the impacts before approving development if the sale occurs before a decision on whether to list the polar bear.

But while Siegel said she was "excited to hear about the new legislation," Myron Ebell, director of energy and global warming policy at the conservative Competitive Enterprise Institute, told Cybercast News Service, "I think that Rep. Markey's bill is a short-sighted attempt to block domestic energy production by using unsubstantiated claims about the polar bear.

"Rep. Markey and too many other members of Congress are willing to use any tools available to stop oil production in this country," he said. "Then they complain about high gasoline prices and importing oil from countries they don't like."

Siegel, however, said it would be many years before oil could be on the market from the Chukchi Sea, so it has little impact on gas prices.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: 110th; alaska; energy; esa; globalwarming; oil; polarbear
According to Randall Luthi, director of the Minerals Management Service, "the Chukchi Sea Planning Area could hold 15 billion barrels of oil and 76 trillion cubic feet of natural gas ... thus providing potentially significant future production of oil and gas from Northern Alaska."

Enviros plan to block development of more Alaskan gas and oil.

1 posted on 01/21/2008 4:10:07 AM PST by saganite
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To: saganite; Beowulf; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Normandy
"Hot Air Cult"

~~Anthropogenic Global Warming ™ ping~~

2 posted on 01/21/2008 4:13:20 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: saganite

Why is it that these so called debates from both parties fail to ask this question...for or against... Instead they ask shallow foolish nonsense...


3 posted on 01/21/2008 4:16:31 AM PST by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: saganite

4 posted on 01/21/2008 4:24:13 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: saganite
ARRGGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!! Just CRAP!!!!

These TRAITORS need to be tarred and feathered.


5 posted on 01/21/2008 4:24:21 AM PST by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: saganite

E. Markey (D) Mass. if not screwing around with Daylight Savings Time, playing with Polar Bears. A real seat warmer.

We need the oil. If it comes between Security of my Country and Polar Bears, Polar Bears lose.


6 posted on 01/21/2008 4:25:47 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: saganite
Another example of the stupidity of the average person in not caring about this in the midst of $100 oil, but caring about Britney/Tom/Jessica/Lindsey/Pam/Gwyneth/Woody. That doesn't mean there isn't a lot of complaining about how Big Oil and how something has to be done to stop it. That something, of course, being someone in Washington setting the price of oil to what it should be if those is evil and greedy oil companies weren't screwing everyone so they can make obscene profits.
7 posted on 01/21/2008 4:25:55 AM PST by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver
... Instead they ask shallow foolish nonsense...

They are shallow rudderless skulls full of mush.

They are the verbose liberal pansies who rule our lives and have legions of staff members who write the pap they spew whenever they're in session.

These political elite bums rarely have an original thought and when they do you get bloviating simpleton murderers like Teddy Kennedy huffing and puffing over something that after he gets through the first paragraph forgets what the hell the topic was.

We have been in deep trouble for decades thanks to these liberal (communist) pansies who should be an embarrassment to every American.

8 posted on 01/21/2008 4:30:03 AM PST by fweingart (Give Hillary a chance. (She'll change your life.))
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To: rockinqsranch
Well said. I hope these tree huggers get their just rewards when people who need fuel to heat their homes and get to work can’t find it. If there is any justice in this world, they will show up en mass and beat the living crap out of these people.
9 posted on 01/21/2008 4:31:44 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: econjack
If there is any justice in this world, they will show up en mass and beat the living crap out of these people.

That probably won't happen. The Democrat party isn't exactly out of touch with its base. The people living in these areas would probably fully support such a stupid bill.

Besides, they can just get free oil from Hugo Chavez.

10 posted on 01/21/2008 4:34:48 AM PST by pnh102
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To: saganite
I’m tired of hearing about some @#@$%^%^&&^@~! freaking bears!
There will be bears around forever.

Drill the oil! We are being hammered here!
Build Nuclear plants!
Build the refineries needed!
Build clean coal fired generators! We have lots of coal!

Get rid of this Luddite, anti everything attitude.

first they screamed about “Global Cooling” and they mandated catalytic converters to stop that.
Converters convert CO to Co2 and H2O

Now they say that the CO2 is pollution!
Give us a break. - Before we decide to string up some of these nuts. - I'm ready.

11 posted on 01/21/2008 4:36:12 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: econjack

Perhaps with torches and pitchforks? WANTED: HOT TAR AND FEATHERS... I”VE GOT A RAIL!!


12 posted on 01/21/2008 4:37:54 AM PST by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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To: bill1952

“House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming”
Biggest Oxymoron of the year so far.
Impeach them all, especially the Junior Senator from Gnu Yak.


13 posted on 01/21/2008 4:39:20 AM PST by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: saganite
Oil is $100 a barrel and our "Republican" President has been unable, after more than 7 years in office, to push through a law to allow accelerated oil-drilling in Alaska and off our coasts. I wish we had a Republican President.
14 posted on 01/21/2008 4:42:09 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Shady

“House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming”

Kinda like calling the biggest propaganda organ in the world Pravda (Truth) isn’t it?


15 posted on 01/21/2008 4:45:04 AM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: samtheman

We’ll have to see where this bill goes. So far it’s just a proposed bill by a committee. It still has a very long way to go. If it gets through congress and Bush signs it I’ll be surprised. The Enviros will probably use the courts (and have far more luck) to stop drilling in the area.


16 posted on 01/21/2008 4:47:58 AM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: saganite
"The only thing keeping pace with the melting of the sea ice is .... polar bear habitat,"

I think there is something to this. There is virtually no ice whatsoever here in S.E. Michigan on Lake St. Clair and this has caused the complete disappearance of our wandering herds of polar bears.

Now its possible they may have just migrated northward but there haven't been any sightings in Port Huron or further north in Alpena either. I fear they may have all drowned.........

17 posted on 01/21/2008 4:49:49 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: Shady
House Select Committee on Energy Independence

How do we achieve “energy Independence” if the recommendation delays our ability to attempt that because of a bear?

The entire thing reeks of Communist mentality whereby agency names are simply lies and the agencies themselves do the opposite.

18 posted on 01/21/2008 4:57:49 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: fweingart
...We have been in deep trouble for decades thanks to these liberal (communist) pansies...

There in lies the problem. The commies in America went green. This enviro movement to save the polar bears at the expense of oil independents is probably being pushed by a bunch of commies in disguise.

19 posted on 01/21/2008 5:00:29 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Voting Republican while I live and Democrat...after I die)
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To: saganite

I’d have a hard time caring if you took every polar bear on earth and reduced them to a couple dozen vials of DNA, stashed them in a time capsule dated 3008 AD, and sent them to a secret vault on the moon.


20 posted on 01/21/2008 5:01:00 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Just - my - humble - opinion.)
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To: samtheman
I wish we had a Republican President

Such the GOP nominate pretty much any of the current front runners, then I will be sitting this one out.

And thats a first.

Bears - snort

I wish we had a Conservative President

21 posted on 01/21/2008 5:01:42 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: VRW Conspirator

>is probably being pushed by a bunch of commies in disguise.

Shh. They call themselves “progressive” now.


22 posted on 01/21/2008 5:03:02 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: saganite

The left wants the issue, never the solution. From inner cities, education, the economy to oil policy, the left stands on America’s windpipe and derides it for dying from lack of air.

Traitors who deserve what traitors used to get.


23 posted on 01/21/2008 5:03:46 AM PST by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: prov1813man

From inner cities, education, the economy to oil policy, the left stands on America’s windpipe and derides it for dying from lack of air.

Well said!


24 posted on 01/21/2008 5:05:06 AM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: saganite

FDFN bears.


25 posted on 01/21/2008 5:05:26 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Just - my - humble - opinion.)
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To: bill1952

With regards to endangered species, it doesn’t matter when or if property is sold. If a species becomes endangered and a critical habitat is identified, then the property owner would have to do environmental studies to mitigate impacts to the species. If the impacts are deemed too severe even with mitigation then no project or permit. Therefore this whole argument is moot.


26 posted on 01/21/2008 5:09:07 AM PST by crymeariver (Good news...in a way)
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To: samtheman

Sometimes by a single vote — John McCain’s vote.


27 posted on 01/21/2008 5:53:17 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: saganite
I don't think the progressives will be happy until we revert back to the ways of our hunter-gatherer distant ancestors. As long as we don't hunt polar bears.
28 posted on 01/21/2008 5:54:22 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: saganite

There was another screed on cbs last night about GW. There was a section on polar bears. Pure crapola! They showed a melting glacier that was covered in ash from a volcano, but couldn’t, just wouldn’t, blame the volcano for the melting! Amazing!


29 posted on 01/21/2008 6:48:53 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: saganite
SAVE ANIMALS. CULL EVIL HUMANS!!!!
30 posted on 01/21/2008 6:50:16 AM PST by RetiredArmy (America wants socialism. It wants it all for free. It wants the government to provide all.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

I wonder what the oil bill for 24 Townsend St. Malden MA is, or does Fast Eddie get a delivery from Joe-4-Oil on the sly? Not that Ed really lives there. But he did blow into town for the City Council’s inauguration. What a swill guy.


31 posted on 01/21/2008 6:52:26 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: saganite
The Enviro-wackos are celebrating a bit early. It will still have to be voted on by the whole House and pass with a majority, pass the Senate with 60 votes and then override the guaranteed veto.
32 posted on 01/21/2008 7:12:37 AM PST by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: tobyhill

No sweat. They will be pursuing it in court before activist judges. You didn’t really expect them to attack on only one front did you?


33 posted on 01/21/2008 7:15:58 AM PST by saganite
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To: saganite
They may try but there’s no legal issues the courts can rule on. The 9th circuit will try to put a stay on the sale but it should be quickly lifted by the DC court of appeals.
34 posted on 01/21/2008 7:23:39 AM PST by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: tobyhill

You’re probably more versed in the law than me (wouldn’t take much!) but couldn’t they delay it under the endangered species act?


35 posted on 01/21/2008 7:26:42 AM PST by saganite
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To: saganite

I am surprised somebody has never just paid someone to finish off an endangered animal to end this nonsense.


36 posted on 01/21/2008 7:29:23 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: saganite
The 9th will try but the DC court of appeals will rule that there is no expected endangered species, they either are or aren’t. If there is enough study by the Interior Agency to show that the bears won’t be harmed by the sale then that’s good enough. The only issue the courts could rule on is the sale, not the expected drilling, because the sale is open to anyone with the cash. If the eco-twirps want to bid then they are more than welcome to and they can do nothing with the lease if they choose.
37 posted on 01/21/2008 7:34:42 AM PST by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: tobyhill

Thanks for the info. So this just leaves the bill in the House. I would expect a Bush veto if it gets that far. Of course, then the media will have a field day portraying Bush as a polar bear murderer.


38 posted on 01/21/2008 7:39:05 AM PST by saganite
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To: saganite
I think it may get pass the Senate but not enough to override a veto. The reason Markey is going straight for the bill is because he knows there’s nothing the courts can do. If the courts rule for the stay after the Rats politics fail then it would be a clear violation of the separation of powers.
39 posted on 01/21/2008 7:49:58 AM PST by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: saganite

This nation has gone mad. It is all over.


40 posted on 01/21/2008 7:53:00 AM PST by montag813
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To: saganite

A worldwide population of just 20,000 would likely become extinct no matter what we do. Where is the Sabertooth Tiger?


41 posted on 01/21/2008 7:54:15 AM PST by montag813
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To: tobyhill

Thanks again


42 posted on 01/21/2008 7:54:53 AM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: montag813

20,000 represents quite an improvement in their numbers from years ago.


43 posted on 01/21/2008 7:55:54 AM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: saganite
http://globalwarming.house.gov/tools/assets/files/0319.pdf

Here’s the letter Markey sent a day after the introduction to the bill. Note the tone of desperation in the letter because he knows the bill won’t pass.

44 posted on 01/21/2008 7:57:58 AM PST by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: montag813

After the signing of the International Agreement on Polar Bears in the 1970s, harvests were controlled and the numbers increased. There is no argument from anyone on this point.

Ask the Experts: Are Polar Bear Populations Increasing?
http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/ask-the-experts/population/
Polar Bears International is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the worldwide conservation of the polar bear.


45 posted on 01/21/2008 8:19:29 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney; saganite
After the signing of the International Agreement on Polar Bears in the 1970s, harvests were controlled and the numbers increased. There is no argument from anyone on this point.

I stand corrected. So if the population is increasing then there is even less reason to block oil exploration.

46 posted on 01/21/2008 8:21:56 AM PST by montag813
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To: crymeariver

Huh?

did I say anything about enviromental property laws or is this a generic statement?

I don’t care about bears being the lords of all they survey.
Drill like crazy.


47 posted on 01/21/2008 9:28:14 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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