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Free trade? C'mon
Tooling and Production ^ | Jan 08 | Brian Sullivan

Posted on 01/06/2008 1:03:48 PM PST by null and void

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To: null and void

Putting it in the best light, Mr. Sullivan wants to replace one set of regulations by another which he sees as better for himself. How, then, is he less greedy than the corporations he attacks?


61 posted on 01/06/2008 3:30:22 PM PST by Christopher Lincoln
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To: groanup
Manufacturing goes overseas for four reasons:

While I largely agree with you, it seems likely that wages in other countries being pennies on the dollar would certainly have a good bit to do with it too.

There is no way that we can compete with that, and we should not have to.

62 posted on 01/06/2008 3:35:58 PM PST by roamer_1 (Vote for Frudy McRomsonbee -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: nicmarlo
Just you wait, it’ll be plainly evident within your and my lifetimes.

*sigh* I have no doubt that your words are true.

63 posted on 01/06/2008 3:38:26 PM PST by roamer_1 (Vote for Frudy McRomsonbee -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: Pelham

Rather than teach economics 201 myself. I suggest you read the following column by the renouned Economics Professor, and frequent Rush guest host Walter Williams. If you are still a protectionist when you get done, let me know.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2006/10/25/should_we_trade_at_all


64 posted on 01/06/2008 3:40:26 PM PST by NavVet (If you don't defend conservatism in the Primary, you won't have it to defend in the Election)
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To: roamer_1
There is no way that we can compete with that, and we should not have to.

Right, because competition is evil. Wouldn't want to actually increase the choices consumers have now would we?

65 posted on 01/06/2008 3:41:46 PM PST by scarface367 (The problem is we have yet to find a cure for stupid)
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To: NavVet

I don’t think arming the Communist chinese is “overrated” any more than I do feeding our children and pets poisons to eat or toys to play with.

However, I understand that globalists have no other concern than money and profits for themselves, regardless. The “peons” are merely serfs and, therefore, expendable (just like this country’s language, culture and values), after all.


66 posted on 01/06/2008 3:51:34 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: roamer_1

Sad but true. It will happen and I have a very strong suspicion we are watching it all unfold.


67 posted on 01/06/2008 3:52:31 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: NavVet

For economists I prefer Craig Roberts, who was greatly responsible for developing supply side theory and policies when he was a Republican staffer during the Carter and Reagan years. His writing on the conflating of trade with labor arbitrage is another valuable insight:

http://www.vdare.com/roberts/071008_cato.htm


68 posted on 01/06/2008 3:54:10 PM PST by Pelham (No Deportation, the new goal of the Amnesty Republicans)
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To: nicmarlo

If you don’t want China to use U.S. dollars to by missiles, then you need to cut off all trade with China. That’s a whole other discussion, one that I haven’t weighed in on.
I’m just addressing the protectionist “fair trade” rhetoric.


69 posted on 01/06/2008 3:55:38 PM PST by NavVet (If you don't defend conservatism in the Primary, you won't have it to defend in the Election)
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To: Pelham

You mean the same Paul Craig Roberts that thinks that 9/11 was an inside job?


70 posted on 01/06/2008 4:00:05 PM PST by scarface367 (The problem is we have yet to find a cure for stupid)
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To: scarface367

This isn’t a discussion of his peculiar views on 9-11. I suppose if you had anything relevant to share about his writing on the subject at hand you would have posted it.


71 posted on 01/06/2008 4:07:05 PM PST by Pelham (No Deportation, the new goal of the Amnesty Republicans)
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To: Pelham

Roberts whines about offshoring yet fails to mention the benefits that have been seen. I, for instance, greatly benefit by having a larger selection of goods at lower prices. Offshoring occurs because doing so decreases the cost of production. Competition forces businesses to sell goods at lower costs. In the end consumers as a whole benefit.


72 posted on 01/06/2008 4:14:24 PM PST by scarface367 (The problem is we have yet to find a cure for stupid)
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To: NavVet

The rhetoric is coming from the global sell-outs that unfair trade is somehow “fair trade” and “good for America and Americans” when it’s anything but that.


73 posted on 01/06/2008 4:15:36 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: JasonC

All the reduction in the size of the middle class in the past 15 years has come from people moving *above* it, into the “make more than $100,000 a year” range.

Good point. Too bad it is ignored by so many.


74 posted on 01/06/2008 4:17:41 PM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: NavVet
If you are still a protectionist when you get done, let me know.

Cocoa, coffee and saffron aren't quite the same as electronics components, armor plating or guidance systems we've outsourced to China and others.

It's about more than spices and seasonings. Our national security is being outsourced.

75 posted on 01/06/2008 4:25:53 PM PST by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: scarface367

Roberts writes scholarly articles about how a confusion of absolute advantage with comparative advantage has led to errors in calculating the effects of offshoring. For you, this amounts to “whining” and the advice that “Competition forces businesses to sell goods at lower costs. In the end consumers as a whole benefit.”

I suggest you publish your wisdom asap, there’s surely a prize of some sort in your future.


76 posted on 01/06/2008 4:30:00 PM PST by Pelham (No Deportation, the new goal of the Amnesty Republicans)
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To: null and void

Yes, comrade we must take from the rich and redistribute the wealth. Then we will all be living in a worker’s paradise.

It’s never worked before, but let’s try it anyway.


77 posted on 01/06/2008 4:40:24 PM PST by NavVet (If you don't defend conservatism in the Primary, you won't have it to defend in the Election)
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To: null and void

bmflr


78 posted on 01/06/2008 4:41:40 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: JasonC
All the reduction in the size of the middle class in the past 15 years has come from people moving *above* it, into the "make more than $100,000 a year" range.

It's called inflation.

79 posted on 01/06/2008 4:45:50 PM PST by null and void (So many of us know so little about so much that effects the outcome of our lives.)
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To: Pelham
Relying on Paul Craig Roberts for wisdom is certainly not anything that I'd recommend. Unless you think that claiming that Israel is the world's greatest terrorist nation, that the detainees at Guantanamo are all innocent victims or that the Bush administration is a bunch of war criminals is wisdom. This is all relevant to what Roberts writes as anyone that thinks as he does on these issues looses any credibility that they might have once had.

Roberts has been whining for years that the American economy is doomed, yet that never happens. In fact, it's quite amazing that his arguments have so much in common with what the political left has to say.

As for Roberts absolute advantage argument, if that is indeed the case, why are there any jobs left here in America, if offshoring indeed gives one an absolute advantage?

80 posted on 01/06/2008 4:49:27 PM PST by scarface367 (The problem is we have yet to find a cure for stupid)
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