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Free trade? C'mon
Tooling and Production ^ | Jan 08 | Brian Sullivan

Posted on 01/06/2008 1:03:48 PM PST by null and void

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Any society contains a built-in blueprint for failure if corporate elites insulate themselves from the consequences of their own actions.

The morally shameful I-don't-care-about-you-because-I've-got-mine mentality exhibited by Congress and this administration is a national disgrace.

1 posted on 01/06/2008 1:03:49 PM PST by null and void
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To: null and void
You are free to start 36000 factories tomorrow. Go do it. Nothing stopping you.

Oh, is it a little harder than that? Why?

God how I despise people who won't take both sides of a deal they shove at others...

2 posted on 01/06/2008 1:06:23 PM PST by JasonC
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blah blah blah blah blah blah blah


3 posted on 01/06/2008 1:06:30 PM PST by Onerom99
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My grandpa’s buggy whip factory went overseas as well so what. We actually have more manufacturing in the U.S. now than 20 years ago, it is just that we are making different products. Cars instead of textiles etc.


4 posted on 01/06/2008 1:07:04 PM PST by NavVet (If you don't defend conservatism in the Primary, you won't have it to defend in the Election)
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The author is advocating unfair trade in HIS favor.

At the end of the day, there's only one way there's going to be any relief for all of us in manufacturing, and that's through Washington, D.C.

5 posted on 01/06/2008 1:09:07 PM PST by DManA
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To: null and void

Conscience free trade.


6 posted on 01/06/2008 1:12:01 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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It looks like many Republican congressmen are retiring from congress and starting lobbying firms.

They passed free trade agreements. I guess they know the “ministers of the tribunals” and can pay them off. After all the triblunals meet behind closed doors. UnAmerican??????Yeah!!!!!!!!


7 posted on 01/06/2008 1:12:06 PM PST by texastoo ((((((USA)))))((((((, USA))))))((((((. USA))))))))
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Ummmm, actually I did start my own manufacturing company last year...
8 posted on 01/06/2008 1:16:03 PM PST by null and void (So many of us know so little about so much that effects the outcome of our lives.)
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To: Onerom99
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

That was important, and needed to be said.

Thank you for your thoughtful contribution to the discussion...

9 posted on 01/06/2008 1:17:23 PM PST by null and void (So many of us know so little about so much that effects the outcome of our lives.)
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The morally shameful I-don't-care-about-you-because-I've-got-mine mentality exhibited by Congress and this administration is a national disgrace.

I admire your courage for posting this, knowing full well that you'll be ripped for your "evil, protectionist, anti-Capitalist drivel".

Face the facts. For some, money is king, and it (and the power it brings) trumps all else.

10 posted on 01/06/2008 1:17:50 PM PST by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: DManA
The author is advocating unfair trade in HIS favor.

"At the end of the day, there's only one way there's going to be any relief for all of us in manufacturing, and that's through Washington, D.C."

I read that as Washington made the mess, Washington needs to clean it up, or at a bare minimum, get out of the way.

11 posted on 01/06/2008 1:20:31 PM PST by null and void (So many of us know so little about so much that effects the outcome of our lives.)
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We agree on that. You don’t need a 10,000 page treaty to accomplish free trade. Just get the heck out of the way. Anyone who thinks NAFTA=Free trade should try to take a bottle of booze across the Canadian border.


12 posted on 01/06/2008 1:22:51 PM PST by DManA
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To: airborne
For some, money is king, and it (and the power it brings) trumps all else.

Ain't that the truth!

Or as I tell my kids, 'getting rich is easy, provided all you care about is getting rich'...

13 posted on 01/06/2008 1:22:52 PM PST by null and void (So many of us know so little about so much that effects the outcome of our lives.)
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That gated community comment for corporate big shots somehow reminds me of the enclave founded by corporate leaders in Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged.”

I picked up “Collapse” a while back but for some reason the book remains unread so far. Perhaps I’ll start it this week. I rather enjoyed Diamond’s other work “Guns, Germs, and Steel.”

Thanks for the thread.

14 posted on 01/06/2008 1:23:24 PM PST by Radix (If your outgo exceeds your income, your upkeep will be your downfall.)
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Congress can’t legislate against greed.

They’d all be out of business! (sarcasm)


15 posted on 01/06/2008 1:25:18 PM PST by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: Radix
You’re welcome!

Looks like rain here. (A bunch of FReepers will be by to rain all sorts of crap down around my head shortly)...

16 posted on 01/06/2008 1:25:49 PM PST by null and void (So many of us know so little about so much that effects the outcome of our lives.)
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To: null and void
Good! So did you start 36000? And are you complaining?
17 posted on 01/06/2008 1:27:23 PM PST by JasonC
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To: null and void; fieldmarshaldj; yorkie; Czar; joanie-f; Borax Queen
why don't we call it for what it is: rigged market trade?

Exactly what it is. From Phyllis Schlafly, Eagle Forum:

Globalism: Enemy of the Middle Class
The majority of countries in the world (e.g., Mexico) have two classes: the rulers who are very, very rich and the rest of the people who are very, very poor. The United States is different; we built a prosperous society with a well-to-do middle class and the chance for anyone, based on merit and hard work, to better himself and live the American dream.

Globalism is the enemy of the middle class. Globalism preaches that the world is flat; that nations should have no borders; that labor, capital, goods and services should flow freely between countries. Globalism's mantras are "free trade" and "abolish protectionism." Globalism forces American workers to compete against people who work in other countries for 30 cents an hour without benefits. Competing with such low wages means the end of the American middle class.

Americans relish competition, as our national fixation on sports contests proves every day. But global trade is not played on a level playing field — our opponents don't play by the rules and the umpire (the World Trade Organization) is biased against us.

Middle-class Americans are waking up to how they have been squeezed out of prosperity by the politicians of both parties who were elected with the political donations and other goodies provided by corporations that reap the rewards of cheap labor through insourcing and outsourcing.


18 posted on 01/06/2008 1:30:59 PM PST by nicmarlo
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“We actually have more manufacturing in the U.S. now than 20 years ago, it is just that we are making different products. Cars instead of textiles etc.”

We’ve got quite a larger popultion too! What do you think of China out manufacturing the USA? Because that’s where we are.

Some of us are tired of subsidizing the ‘cheap’ imports and imported cheap labor due to these ‘free trade’ deals. As Friedman said, they are NOT free trade, they are MANAGED trade. How much do you think it costs the taxpayers for ALL those machines to check containers and ALL those government employees to screen them?

No more SUBSIDIZED free trade.


19 posted on 01/06/2008 1:32:37 PM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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Nope. Just one. And I'm not complaining just yet. I will be when (not if) the rulz our betters put in place to favor foreign competition over American ingenuity start to impact me.

I'm quite willing to go toe-to-toe with any business competitor anywhere on Earth on a level playing field.

20 posted on 01/06/2008 1:33:00 PM PST by null and void (So many of us know so little about so much that effects the outcome of our lives.)
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