Cinnamon Stillwell Ping
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Posted on 01/04/2008 10:38:18 AM PST by SmithL
Cinnamon Stillwell's recent column in SF Gate, "Savage vs. CAIR: The battle over free speech" on Dec. 19 offers a holiday assortment of misleading truths and omissions of facts. In her misguided defense of the "Savage Nation" radio show, Stillwell essentially defends anarchistic hate against minority groups including African Americans, Hispanics, Asians, Muslims, Catholics, Jews, immigrants and women. She does so under the pretense of defending free speech.
Of course, most elementary school students will tell you that hate speech is not to be confused with free speech.
CAIR, the California Council of Churches, Rabbi Haim Dov Beilak and other Hate Hurts America Coalition coalition members cherish America's tradition of freedom of speech. HHA is practicing its own freedom of speech when it calls people of conscience to stand up against Michael Savage's hate-filled anti-minority tirades.
Stillwell's wrath against CAIR and other HHA members as a mere consequence of their advocacy against hate speech puts in question her credibility as a columnist.
Is Stillwell arguing that the incitement of violence against minorities is protected under free speech, or did she just never chance upon the numerous times Savage has advocated hateful acts against many other minority groups.
It cannot possibly be the latter because Savage's record is out there for all to see. In 2004, Savage stated "I think (Muslims) need to be forcibly converted to Christianity ... It's the only thing that can probably turn them into human beings." In 2006, he called for a ban on Muslim immigration and recommended making "the construction of mosques illegal in America." Also that year, he advocated "kill(ing) 100 million" Muslims.
Luckily, many Americans who become familiar with his divisive hatemongering have not fallen prey to Stillwell's expediency. A growing list of companies including AutoZone, Citrix, TrustedID, JC Penney, OfficeMax, Wal-Mart, andAT&T...
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
The terrorists, and their supporters continue to brand all speech as hate speech, if they disagree with it. And in doing so, the terrorists, and their supporters, continue their unrelenting attack on our constitution and our liberties.
Sounds like a plan.
“Death to America!” - Free Speech
“Death to Radical Fundamentalist Islamic Terrorists!” - Hate Speech
Our nation is doomed.
The author is a SanFransicko Muslim... tells it all.
Michael Savage (...) hate-speech against (...)Jews
Does the moron muslim author actually know that Michael Weiner (aka Savage) is a pro-Israel Jew?
Most of Michael Savage’s comments are taken out of text. I support Mr. Savage and have even donated to the lawsuit agaist CAIR. Please help fight Isamofacism and vist michaelsavage.com. To label any speech is a direct attempt to limit free speech. Lets not omit the fact the Mr. Savage is suing CAIR not the other way around. CAIR has slander Mr. Savage and continue to do so, now their gonna have to pay the price.
Hey, Safaa Ibrahim.
Get back to me when your co-religionists stop hijacking airplanes, flying them into buildings, blowing up supermarkets, pubs, busses, trains and schools, sawing-off innocent people’s heads, and calling for the extermination of the Jews in your textbooks.
Okay?
Until then, hearing you mewling about “hate” speech would be laughable, if your “religion” were not so unspeakably evil at its core and the single greatest threat to civilization for the entire 1400 years of its miserable existence.
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Is Stillwell arguing that the incitement of violence against minorities is protected under free speech, or did she just never chance upon the numerous times Savage has advocated hateful acts against many other minority groups.
I'm not a big Savage fan, and doubt that he's incited violence against minorities, but if he has, the answer to Safaa Ibrahim's question is that it's absolutely protected under free speech, as it should be. The solution lies in directly confronting the hateful comments.
Having read many of Mr. Ibrahim's co-religionists comments, he should be concerned about getting what he asks for, though he won't.
Thank God most folks don't really on school kids to interpret the Constitution for them.
Unlike "Safaa Ibrahim"
It is one step away from thoughtcrime, as speechcrime reveals thoughtcrime.
If we let this happen we will be authorizing a repressive state heading to de facto shari’a law
Hey Safaa - shove it in your hijab!
So what is "hate" speech if not speech?
This is why the whole concept of Hate Speech is flawed. When I say something, that's Free Speech. When you disagree with me, you're a Hater and you should just shut up.
It's ludicrous.
Hate speech is any speech the left and the mohammedans disagree with.
Amen, amen, and right on!!
These folks just want to shut up the people who they disagree w/.
This is a very important precendent and given the USSC ruling on CFR I wouldn't bet against the libs.
The Hate Hurts America Coalition?
Am I still allowed to say that I hate the Hate Hurts America Coalition?
Or is that “hate speech”?
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”
Sorry, buddy, there’s nothing in there about comments which piss you off or make you feel uncomfortable.
And about the establishment of religion... you had better not be planning to force me to be any religion I don’t want to be, either.
thought crimes ping.
Given that they've been thoroughly propagandized by the likes of the author, perhaps so. It isn't something to be proud of.
In truth there is nothing about "hate speech" that isn't simply "speech I don't like." The author offers no other criteria, only that there are protected classes and everyone else is fair game. Thanks but no thanks.
If Savage did say this, he probably was quoting Ann Coulter.
ML/NJ
The author is also the Exec. Director of the bay area chapter of CAIR. Kind of puts his/her/it's piece in perspective.
There is no right not to be offended by someone else’s speech. As for schoolchildren, they should be taught that sticks and stones will break your bones, but names will never hurt you. Unless there is direct incitement to violence, the government has no business wasting resources on censorship. And I am not a fan of Michael Savage.
Exactly. Leaving aside most hate crime laws, which really amount to sentencing upgrades after The general standard is when speech leads to an imminent illegal act, or constitutes individual harassment.
For example, should a Rabbi incite his congregation to "kill the Muslims" on an ongoing basis, and his congregation leaves the synagogue and immediately kill a local Muslim, the Rabbi might well have some liability. Should the unlawful act occur days later, he's probably in the clear, since the act wasn't imminent. I wouldn't be surprised to see that aspect revisited one day.
I used a Rabbi and his congregation as an example so as not to offend, however substitutions could be made to make the example more relevant on the world stage.
Typical left wing twit rant. I’m glad Savage is standing up to the scum at CAIR. CAIR is to AL-Qaeda, what Sinn Fein was to the IRA..Its mouthpiece. Apparently if you disagree with America its called Free Speech. If you Disagree with Al-Qaeda(or any Libtard whine du jour) it called hate speech. So the bottom line: your free to speak if you agree with whatever cause Libtards champion..To disagree is hate speech.
The Jig is up!! the only way the Saracens will ever survive in the West is to stop free speech!! This hate speech is the gimmich being used to silence the truth about Islam.
Speech is speech regardless weather you like it or not.
And the truth does hurts especially if you are a Muslim.
Notice that this little thing on the internet now declaring Islam was a religion before Mohammed was ever born, he just improved on it and made a better version.
It is laughable. Before Mohammed the Saracens clearly worshipped a Moon God
The Jig is up!! the only way the Saracens will ever survive in the West is to stop free speech!! This hate speech is the gimmich being used to silence the truth about Islam.
Speech is speech regardless weather you like it or not.
And the truth does hurts especially if you are a Muslim.
Notice that this little thing on the internet now declaring Islam was a religion before Mohammed was ever born, he just improved on it and made a better version.
It is laughable. Before Mohammed the Saracens clearly worshipped a Moon God
FMCDH(BITS)
The Jig is up!! the only way the Saracens will ever survive in the West is to stop free speech!! This hate speech is the gimmich being used to silence the truth about Islam.
Speech is speech regardless weather you like it or not.
And the truth does hurts especially if you are a Muslim.
Notice that this little thing on the internet now declaring Islam was a religion before Mohammed was ever born, he just improved on it and made a better version.
It is laughable. Before Mohammed the Saracens clearly worshipped a Moon God
sorry, my trigger finger got stuck
Don’t you mean a Moonbat god?
CAIR, the California Council of Churches, Rabbi Haim Dov Beilak and other Hate Hurts America Coalition coalition members cherish America's tradition of freedom of speech. HHA is practicing its own freedom of speech when it calls people of conscience to stand up against Michael Savage's hate-filled anti-minority tirades.
That's why they sued civilians reporting suspected terrorists in a plane.
It’s not flawed, it’s a deliberate attempt to control the flow of information.
I’ve noticed that it’s usually “tolerant” people who insist that someone be silenced.
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“Hate” does not hurt this country - if it is properly directed. In the Illiad, Homer once sang of “...strong Hatred, defender of peoples...”
And Islam is well deserving of suspicion, and, yes, even Hatred.
Freedom of speech must never be suppressed, except for criticism directed at minorities, non-Christian religions, homosexuals, communists, illegal aliens, and other constituencies of the Democrat party.
I suppose this “Safaa Ibrahim” is an unbiased reporter of the news?
Thanks for the ping.
I read the whole article.
What a stinking bag of BS.
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Only in the mind of a Marxist ( or Useful Idiot) government school teacher!
This is what the government schools are indoctrinating our children with EVERY government school day! This is why I am soooooo insistent about shutting down government schools! All it takes is one indoctrinated generation and freedom will be lost in the voting booth.
Marxism is our nation’s most serious threat, and their MOST important weapon is our government schools!
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In not so many years this kids will be adults and voting!
Marxism and its weapon, government schools, are our nation’s most important and serious threat.
I seriously mean this!
Why are people asleep?
I don't agree that people should be "shut up".
But to deny some of the hateful garbage coming from racists, terrorists and various sociopaths etc is "hate speech" is either not truthful or simply amoral.
But that's not the stuff that gets classified as Hate Speech!
Black folks say vile things about white folks all the time. It's not considered hate speech. Muslims say bad things about the Jews all the time. That's not hate speech. Feminists spray invective at males -- it's not hate speech.
Saying, "The Bible says homosexuality is wrong" -- now THAT's considered Hate Speech.
I reject the whole concept. It's an invented tool so that certain classes can say what they want, while certain other classes can be oppressed because they said what they wanted. It's totally un-American.
I don't see the fact that the politically correct assign false definitions to "hate speech" as a reason to reject the "whole concept" out right.
I think those of us who have not totally lost our moral compass and are honest are quite capable of classifying REAL hate speech when we hear it.
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