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Bear attack: Wounds healing ( Self defense is a good thing )
Peninsula Clarion ^ | December 28, 2007 | JOSEPH ROBERTIA

Posted on 12/30/2007 12:27:32 PM PST by george76

Patmor had the encounter with a large brown bear ...there are other ways his life has changed after the event. He now brings more than just his dog with him while walking to the post office.

"I carry my .44 whenever I go anywhere now," ...

Patmor said carrying the pistol is a result of not just the bear bite, but also ...

"I figured if I'm going to keep being attacked by animals, I've got to do something to protect myself,"

"In 20 years, I've hardly ever seen bears around my house, but I saw five browns and blacks this past summer. So, I wrote the governor and asked her to change the hunting regulations for brown bears, and make them more like the regs for black bears," ...

Patmor said the governor wrote back ...

other than packing heat, Patmor ... will attempt to be much more perceptive about his surroundings.

"I'll look out the windows of my home before going out and will look for bears more when outdoors.

I'm not afraid of bears now, I'm just more aware of them,"

(Excerpt) Read more at peninsulaclarion.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; animalrights; ar; attackedbyanimals; banglist; bear; bearattack; bearattacks; bears; brownbear; ccw; grizzlybears; grizzy; rkba
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1 posted on 12/30/2007 12:27:34 PM PST by george76
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To: girlangler; CrappieLuck; ASOC; redpoll; Eska

“I figured if I’m going to keep being attacked by animals, I’ve got to do something to protect myself,”


2 posted on 12/30/2007 12:31:16 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I love my forest haven in the northeast - I would not care to live in griz country...but if there were something in the woods to be afraid of here - I’d also carry pepper spray (to hang next to my little Colt) = hmmm, there are those two legged animals...guess I’ll get me some pepper spray


3 posted on 12/30/2007 12:35:24 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: george76

Support your right to be armed against bears!


4 posted on 12/30/2007 12:36:26 PM PST by hellbender
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To: george76
“I figured if I’m going to keep being attacked by animals, I’ve got to do something to protect myself,”

Urbanites, take note. Feral creatures walk on two as well as four legs.

5 posted on 12/30/2007 12:37:51 PM PST by Disambiguator (Political Correctness is criminal insanity writ large.)
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To: maine-iac7

We recommend that liberals remember their little brass bells...


6 posted on 12/30/2007 12:40:57 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I hope he bought that dog a steak.


7 posted on 12/30/2007 12:46:02 PM PST by samtheman (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: george76

I remember a Tee Shirt that I saw while vacationing in Alaska some years back. I pictured some summer tourists standing outside their tour bus photographing a cute little frolicking bunny rabbit while a vicious grizzly loomed behind them. The caption was something like... “ALASKA: Step off the tour bus & into the food chain.” I couldn’t stop laughing!


8 posted on 12/30/2007 1:16:31 PM PST by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: george76

I just watched “Grizzy Man” again last night on the Animal Planet channel. If I didn’t know this was a serious documentry I’d sware it was satire making fun of liberals.


9 posted on 12/30/2007 1:30:42 PM PST by willk
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To: Tallguy; RightWhale; proud_yank; Myrddin; SunkenCiv; jazusamo; martin_fierro
WV142

10 posted on 12/30/2007 1:43:43 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Magnificent predators they are! I have a buddy who knows 2 people, both armed, who were mauled by brown (grizzly) bears. Their handguns were holstered, and neither could draw in time to get off a shot before the attack. The bears silently snuck up on them, then rushed them, from the side, and from behind.


11 posted on 12/30/2007 1:48:22 PM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: willk

Timothy Treadwell ?


12 posted on 12/30/2007 1:49:45 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
We recommend that liberals remember their little brass bells...

I'd keep some on hand as "gifts" but I don't have no truck with liberals, so I save the money.

I do however, write a column and have recommended carrying them when going out into the wilds - knowing that only the libRats are dumb enough to get them....and then I hope the story of the little mounds of brass bells is half true...me bad

13 posted on 12/30/2007 1:50:09 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: 2harddrive

Bears can be good hunters.

They can easily circle back for a sneak attack.


14 posted on 12/30/2007 1:51:56 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: hellbender

SAY,

Wouldn’t it a been just dandy had there been an concealed carrier in the crowd that tangled with that san fransican tiger of late?
...might not a had the firepower to bring it down but by god they could a sure got the beast’s attn.....


15 posted on 12/30/2007 1:52:30 PM PST by flat
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To: hellbender

The right to bear arms, and the right to bear bear arms.

hehe


16 posted on 12/30/2007 1:54:56 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: hellbender

...and no, I’m not suggesting people walk around with the severed forelimbs of a grizzly!


17 posted on 12/30/2007 1:57:51 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: george76
Send More Tourists to WEST VIRGINIA, the Last Ones Were DELICIOUS!!!

And tell them to bring their pepper spray, it spices up the meal. LOL!

18 posted on 12/30/2007 1:59:51 PM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: george76

“...he has been charged by a moose near his home and chased by a rabid fox...”
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HAHA!

Lordy, this guy needs a dozen more dogs and a couple of armed body guards.


19 posted on 12/30/2007 2:03:33 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: jazusamo

pepper spray make it taste better?


20 posted on 12/30/2007 2:03:40 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
This fellow lives in Clam Gulch - Alaska. South of Soldotna, North of Homer. It is an area not noted for an abundance of bears. Esp in the winter. I *do* keep a 12 ga shotgun at hand when RVing in that AO tho. You can never tell.

We will be going to pan for gold at Hope this year, so it shuld be intersting to see what is wandering around there this summer.

21 posted on 12/30/2007 3:00:34 PM PST by ASOC (The Captain doesn't choose the storm....)
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To: 2harddrive

But aren’t bears afraid of us /tree hugger mindset.


22 posted on 12/30/2007 3:07:17 PM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: ASOC

Remember this ?


The first time a black bear got into Ralf and Simona Brunner’s cabin off Skyline Drive last month, it got into food, ripped off a door and chewed on everything from candles to pepper spray. When it returned a second time, it opened a window, caused more of a mess and tore off a few pieces of siding.

The third time it came back in early October, the bear tore off seven rows of siding and tore into the insulation.

“I could forgive him the first two times, but ...


23 posted on 12/30/2007 3:16:12 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

Timothy Treadwell and Amie Huguenard both of Malibu, Calif. had a different experience near Kaflia Bay ...


24 posted on 12/30/2007 3:19:08 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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25 posted on 12/30/2007 3:27:35 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: 2harddrive
“Magnificent predators they are! I have a buddy who knows 2 people, both armed, who were mauled by brown (grizzly) bears. Their handguns were holstered, and neither could draw in time to get off a shot before the attack. The bears silently snuck up on them, then rushed them, from the side, and from behind.”

Very interesting. What happened next? Did they draw their pistols and neutralize the bears. Did they end up in the hospital?

I’d love to know when and where these attacks happened.

I had a friend that I have lost track of, he was doing a mineral survey for a mining company in Alaska in the late 60’s, I believe. A grizzly had been trailing him and his partner and pack dog for a long day. They built a camp fire, and he looked up to see the bear charging. He had time for a snap shot from the .30-06 that he was carrying as bear protection. The shot caught the bear just under the chin and piled it up within 15 feet of his feet. I doubt if the attack was ever recorded anywere because no one was hurt. I am sure that I could come up with the fellows name for confirmation if I needed to come up with it.

26 posted on 12/30/2007 3:37:10 PM PST by marktwain
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To: maine-iac7

Pepper spray is a joke buddy. Critters (both two and four-legged) can do plenty of damage before being “incapacitated” by pepper spray (some never are). We were sprayed in training (pepper spray training requirement) and had to attempt to disarm two “assailants” and point a dummy handgun at another and go bang, bang when on target. Usual lapse time to be effective: 20 seconds. A long time, it’s amazing what can be accomplished when seconds count.


27 posted on 12/30/2007 3:37:29 PM PST by brushcop (B-Co. 2/69 3rd Infantry Div., "Sledgehammer!" ...and keep hammering 'em!)
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To: george76

There certainly have been a number of cases where handguns have been effectively used to stop bear attacks, both grizzly and black bear.


28 posted on 12/30/2007 3:38:53 PM PST by marktwain
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To: george76
"I figured if I'm going to keep being attacked by animals, I've got to do something to protect myself,"

He'd better carry an oar too, in case of rabbit attack.

29 posted on 12/30/2007 3:42:31 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: george76

I’m sure the left would have this guy wait for some Ranger to help him out in case of another bear attack instead of packing heat!

It worked for that “Grizzly Man” in Alaska! Oops sorry, he and his girlfriend were eaten.


30 posted on 12/30/2007 3:45:54 PM PST by rbosque ("A goverment big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away"----B. Goldwater)
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To: george76
More man/bear/dog fun:

Man (Freeper kanawa) stabs bear to death

31 posted on 12/30/2007 3:54:52 PM PST by Professional Engineer (www.pinupsforvets.com)
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To: rbosque

Timothy Treadwell and Amie Huguenard both of Malibu, Calif. had a bad experience near Kaflia Bay ...


32 posted on 12/30/2007 3:58:38 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: marktwain

Both men lived, but were badly mauled. Both attacks occurred near Meteetsee, WY, near Cody. I do not know if they got a shot off, or not.


33 posted on 12/30/2007 4:05:07 PM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: 2harddrive
Do you have any idea of the date? Bear maulings are infrequent enough that there is bound to be a record. I’d like to get more details.
34 posted on 12/30/2007 4:10:43 PM PST by marktwain
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To: 2harddrive
Grizz have nasty habit of doing that. I generally smell them long before I see them. I recommend when in bear country walking in the old infantry spread formation - no closer than 20 feet. If a bear attacks hopefully someone can get one off.
35 posted on 12/30/2007 4:11:43 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("Has there been a code nine? Have you heard from the Doctor?")
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To: marktwain

A female grizzly bear with two cubs mauled an out-of-state hunter and his guide in a remote region of the Shoshone National Forest near the headwaters of the South Fork of the Shoshone River ...

The two men reported they had been sitting on a hillside deep in the Shoshone National Forest southwest of Cody watching elk through a spotting scope at about noon Thursday when the grizzly came upon them and attacked Willer, ... Hoodenpyle blasted the bear with pepper spray, but the bear then turned on Hoodenpyle, attacking and mauling him...

During the course of the attack on Hoodenpyle, Willer fired two rifle shots at the bear which apparently drove the animal off...

http://www.billingsgazette.com/wyoming/981003_wyo004.html


36 posted on 12/30/2007 4:33:52 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: 2harddrive
“These people who think that they’re safe with bear spray, I’m here to tell them it’s a false sense of security,” Workman told the Missoulian newspaper this week.

“The spray is better than nothing, but I’ll choose a firearm every time.”

37 posted on 12/30/2007 5:33:48 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: mamelukesabre

Actually, every year more people are injured and killed by moose than the more newsworthy bears.


38 posted on 12/30/2007 6:06:19 PM PST by oldfart (The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.)
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To: oldfart

“Actually, every year more people are injured and killed by moose than the more newsworthy bears.”

Are we talking moose attacks or car accidents? I would think moose attacks would be very newsworthy. I would certainly be interested!


39 posted on 12/30/2007 6:44:22 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Yeah, I’m talking about moose attacks. Cows with calves are about as hard to get along with as bears. A few years ago one of the Iditarod racers had his (or her, I forget which) dogs stomped so badly by a moose he/she had to drop out of the race. Consider a 1200 pound animal with ver-r-r-ry long legs, each armed with a sharp hoof, coming after you. You’re not going to outrun it so you’d better outshoot it!.


40 posted on 12/30/2007 8:14:51 PM PST by oldfart (The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.)
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To: oldfart

“Yeah, I’m talking about moose attacks. Cows with calves are about as hard to get along with as bears. “

Makes sense. There are a lot more cows with calves than there are bears.


41 posted on 12/30/2007 8:25:19 PM PST by marktwain
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To: george76

Yeah.

LAst year the story was a guy that blased a blackie in the stairwell with a 40 GLock.

Turns out to be a bud of one of my sons. What a mess to clean up.

But, I guess it proves you *can kill* a black bear with a 40 cal pistol round. I’ll stick with my 45ACP.


42 posted on 12/30/2007 9:18:52 PM PST by ASOC (The Captain doesn't choose the storm....)
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To: ASOC

I guess that you fight with what you have handy...

But a shot gun would be nice.


43 posted on 12/30/2007 9:30:21 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Exactly correct. Around the RV parking I only carry the 45, if we wander afield, the 12 ga is along. WIth a bag load of extra sheels.

We nearly got run over by a large blackie a couple of years ago at Eagle River when hiking. I don’t know what the bear was running from, we didn’t stick around to find out....


44 posted on 12/30/2007 9:34:55 PM PST by ASOC (The Captain doesn't choose the storm....)
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I don’t know what the bear was running from, we didn’t stick around to find out....

Something bigger ?

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45 posted on 12/30/2007 9:39:59 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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You have the right to bear arms or the right to arm bears. Whatever the H### you wanna do.

Robin Williams circa. 1986

46 posted on 12/31/2007 4:34:04 AM PST by crghill (Christianity...setting women free since 0 a.d.)
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To: george76

When I was up camping in AK, we ran across a local who, upon seeing my bear spray, told me that I’d be better off with a .375 H&H.


47 posted on 12/31/2007 4:38:31 AM PST by LIConFem (Thompson. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter Lifetime ACU Rating: 92 (any combo will do, fellas))
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To: george76

I’m amazed that Treadwell lasted as long as he did. I watched the documentary about him. The man was nuts.


48 posted on 12/31/2007 4:39:52 AM PST by LIConFem (Thompson. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter Lifetime ACU Rating: 92 (any combo will do, fellas))
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To: george76

LOL

That was my asuption. A *big* brownie was working the area at that time. Posted photos showd footprints over 10 in across. Reports of a Brown in the AO described an adult moose being carried/dragged by a Brown....

Must have moved on, maybe the noise form the air base got to it & it went back up into the Valley.


49 posted on 12/31/2007 12:38:38 PM PST by ASOC (The Captain doesn't choose the storm....)
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To: george76

I don;t want this guy anywhere around me in the woods.

He is bad medicine. Carrying the .44 is a good idea for anybody, but I think he needs to see a voodoo doctor to wipe out the hoodoo curse he is under.


50 posted on 12/31/2007 12:50:11 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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