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Bush - out of touch on Iran? Or willfully ignorant?
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | December 5, 2007 | By Robert Scheer

Posted on 12/05/2007 2:54:10 AM PST by johnny7

Bush is such a liar. Or is he just out to lunch on the most important issue that he faces? In October, he charged that Iran's nuclear weapons program was bringing the world to the precipice of WWIII, even though the White House had been informed at least a month earlier that Iran had no such program and had stopped efforts to develop one back in 2003.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: iran; iraniannukes; nie; nuclear; robertscheer; scheer; tranzi
“Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who was elected president of Iran and took office in August of 2005, two years after Iran's nuclear weapons program ended, has been vindicated in his claims that Iran had abandoned its weaponization program.”
1 posted on 12/05/2007 2:54:11 AM PST by johnny7
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To: johnny7
It is hoped that this time around the truth will catch up with him before he gets us in yet another bloody war, just to show he can.

Un huh,yeah right, lets hope we don't all wind up reading the "addendum" to this report by the light of a mushroom cloud.

2 posted on 12/05/2007 3:00:21 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: johnny7

So let’s share our nuclear secrets with him! I’m sure once he has them all those enrichment facilities will stay in the energy sector...[/s]


3 posted on 12/05/2007 3:01:26 AM PST by maverickusna2009 (Semper Fi)
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To: All

ON THE INTERNET:

http://www.truthusa.com/IRAN.html

http://truthusa.com/a/index.php?topic=672.0
http://truthusa.com/a/index.php?topic=1296.0


4 posted on 12/05/2007 3:03:29 AM PST by Cindy
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To: johnny7

Isn’t it hilarious to watch the Demokratz fall all over themselves (see Rahm Emanuel news conference) proclaiming the truth of the latest NIE on Iran. Up until now there wasn’t any intelligence they agreed with. They finally found some they like so it must be true. Idiots.


5 posted on 12/05/2007 3:03:55 AM PST by RoadKingSE (How do you know that that light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash?)
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To: maverickusna2009

Iran simply does not possess a nuclear power industry requiring ANY enrichment facilities.

This is the basic truth.

And if robert Scheer is looking for a liar, he has one right there in the mirror. Robert Scheers entire life is built on a lie, embraced by a lie, structured around a lie, in fact IS a lie.

The lie is socialism.


6 posted on 12/05/2007 3:04:44 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: johnny7

Keep that in mind the next time Nutjob has an Iranian Hate America/Israel rally.


7 posted on 12/05/2007 3:08:50 AM PST by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom to OSSA Blalock-USS Ramage DDG61)
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To: johnny7
Bob, I feel about the current Iranian government as the one Mafia guy in "Casino" felt about the young guy he and his colleagues were trying to decide whether or not to whack: They might very well be stand-up guys (although quite frankly, I think a lot less of the Iranians than the other guys in "Casino" thought of the kid in question), but why take a chance?
8 posted on 12/05/2007 3:13:45 AM PST by RichInOC (Mahmoud Ahmadinejad thinks he's driving history, but he's just strapped in the carrier seat.)
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To: Cindy
Whomever chose that yellow text on black background at the http://www.truthusa.com web site should be taken out behind the woodshed. It hurts the eyes ;).

Just lots and lots of links, and another dubious mechanism, html frames, on their main page.

ugh.

Eh sorry - I shouldn't be complaining to you about that.

9 posted on 12/05/2007 3:15:37 AM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Sorry ThePythonicCow...it’s not glitz or glamour...just research.


10 posted on 12/05/2007 3:22:42 AM PST by Cindy
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To: ThePythonicCow

Under “Edit” hit “Select All” on your browser menu.


11 posted on 12/05/2007 3:27:23 AM PST by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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To: johnny7

when the first iranian nuclear bomb is set off...the lib/dems will blame Bush for not doing enough!!!!

lib/dems.....the scarecrows of politics....if they only had brains!!!


12 posted on 12/05/2007 3:29:21 AM PST by nyyankeefan
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To: John Valentine

I was saying that if we share nuclear secrets with Iran, they will begin a nuclear power industry that will quickly turn into a weapons program...


13 posted on 12/05/2007 3:41:16 AM PST by maverickusna2009 (Semper Fi)
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To: johnny7

I am so glad the same intelligence agency stopped 9/11 from happening. Oh wait...


14 posted on 12/05/2007 3:44:58 AM PST by Post-Neolithic (Money only makes Communists rich Communists)
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To: johnny7

I think that Bush is aware of the lack of credibility of the NIE. See: http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/


15 posted on 12/05/2007 4:18:31 AM PST by olezip
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To: johnny7

“Bush is such a liar.”

Picture a Gay guy with a lisp.


16 posted on 12/05/2007 4:33:53 AM PST by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: wolfcreek
Picture a Gay guy with a lisp


17 posted on 12/05/2007 4:42:54 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: johnny7
The UnAmerican Democrat Party can go to hell.
18 posted on 12/05/2007 4:47:04 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: wolfcreek
“Bush is such a liar.”

Robert Scheer is such a a fag.

"I use the "wide stance" in the boys room.

19 posted on 12/05/2007 4:49:56 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: USS Alaska

Either a fag... or a child predator


20 posted on 12/05/2007 5:05:51 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: johnny7
“Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who was elected president of Iran and took office in August of 2005, two years after Iran's nuclear weapons program ended, has been vindicated in his claims that Iran had abandoned its weaponization program.”

It's amazing that some would believe the assertions of Ahmadinejad yet call Bush a liar. I wonder if Scheer believes Ahmadinejad is truthful about the holocaust.

21 posted on 12/05/2007 5:22:09 AM PST by randita
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To: johnny7
that Iran had no such program and had stopped efforts to develop one back in 2003.

Just like north Korea? They(Iran) are still enriching uranium and can't be trusted. That is the bottom line.

22 posted on 12/05/2007 5:48:09 AM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Cindy
Yes - good research. In fact, I made good use of the The RADIO Page link off that http://www.truthusa.com web page. I should not post stupid gripes - sorry.
23 posted on 12/05/2007 7:40:07 AM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: John Valentine

Sheer has a terminal case of BDS.

Hope Sheer gets to witness Obambi face an imminent nuclear attack.

By the way, San Fran is closer to Iran than New York. Hope Sheer remembers his duck and cover training.


24 posted on 12/05/2007 8:50:52 AM PST by y6162
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To: johnny7; All

All you have to do is look at the author of this article to know IT’S A LOAD OF CRAP!!


25 posted on 12/05/2007 9:26:10 AM PST by CyberAnt (AMERICA: THE GREATEST FORCE for good in the world!)
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To: Kakaze

Neither the Chronicle, Times, Post and all the other leftist MSMers have it right. Bush got it right in his speech yesterday. Oh, he is drawling, huhing but his words were clear enough to keep Iran in the dark as to how he will react if they have lied(and they have). Israel will be the mentor here. Their cruise missiles will hit the Iranian thugs, nukes et al when they deem necessary. We should be glad for that in case the electorate fatally elects a Dem for Prez et al.


26 posted on 12/05/2007 9:46:25 AM PST by phillyfanatic
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To: John Valentine

>>Iran simply does not possess a nuclear power industry requiring ANY enrichment facilities.

This is the basic truth.<<

That is true at the moment. But they also lack gasoline refineries.

I think the bottom line is that there is not enough short term risk that I want this President to attack somebody else.

He just has not handled war issues well.


27 posted on 12/05/2007 9:48:42 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: gondramB
But they also lack gasoline refineries.

So what? Surely you are not suggesting that the Iranians are developing nuclear cars.

28 posted on 12/05/2007 10:58:07 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: John Valentine

>>So what? Surely you are not suggesting that the Iranians are developing nuclear cars.<<

Nope, I’m saying that having crude oil does not equate with having usable fuel.


29 posted on 12/05/2007 11:00:04 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: gondramB

Well, as a country you can ‘have’ crude oil, but you have to MAKE enriched uranium. If you can’t use it, why make it?


30 posted on 12/05/2007 11:04:51 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: John Valentine

>>Well, as a country you can ‘have’ crude oil, but you have to MAKE enriched uranium. If you can’t use it, why make it?<<

Oh, I think they would like to have nuclear weapons. And we should not let them have nukes.

But as President Bush said they may also want a real civilian program for power. That is also a logical goal.

the degree of enrichment needed is quite different so hopefully we can keep tabs on it.


31 posted on 12/05/2007 11:09:17 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: gondramB

You are on the right track here, so bear with me.

Iran has NO nuclear power generating stations except one the Russians are building for them that CAN’T physically use the enriched uranium the Iranians are producing.

If the Iranians want to build power reactors for themselves it will take them at least ten years, and probably more like 15 before they could design and build even one. The enriched uranium they are making now will have decayed into uselessness by then.

Iran is doing this in reverse of what they would be doing if they really were on a nuclear power track. Fuel would be the LAST thing they need, not the first.

Conclusion: they want the uranium for some other purpose. What purpose that could be, I can only surmise.


32 posted on 12/05/2007 11:16:19 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: johnny7

Robert Scheer is such a liar.


33 posted on 12/05/2007 11:25:49 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

No problem.


34 posted on 12/05/2007 1:24:08 PM PST by Cindy
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To: John Valentine
"... the Russians are building for them that CAN’T physically use the enriched uranium the Iranians are producing."

As someone who doesn't understand, could you explain that to me? Thanks.

35 posted on 12/05/2007 1:31:46 PM PST by avacado
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To: avacado

Every nuclear power generating reactor is designed to use a very specific composition of nuclear fuel which is manufactured and configured into “pellets” or “fuel rods”. They are not pure uranium but have other metals alloyed with them to provide the precise characteristics required.

The details if the fuel required to opertate the Russian-built Busheshr reactor aren’t known to the Iranians, and the Russians aren’t telling. Part of the deal the Russians have for this reactor is that they control the fuel and he fuel recycling.


36 posted on 12/05/2007 4:19:26 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: USS Alaska
This faggot will probably die from aides before Iran completes it’s program so why should he care . I hate loath and despise liberals and phony conservatives like Buchannan more than I hate Bin Ladan. At least Bin Ladan admits he’s out to destroy us these others claim they care about our country.
37 posted on 12/05/2007 4:26:32 PM PST by mimaw
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To: John Valentine

Thanks for the explanation.


38 posted on 12/06/2007 5:42:15 AM PST by avacado
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