Posted on 12/04/2007 10:42:17 PM PST by Kurt Evans
Anyone who thinks that they owe anything to "organized religion" is deeply deluded. Religion, organized or not, offers nothing but departure from God's word. Religion is man's attempt to defeat God's laws and commandments by replacing them with man's softened and blunted alternative, thus condemning billions to eternity in Hell.
Man doesn't have eternal life. Therefore no man can spend eternity in hell.
Care to clarify?
[John 3:16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Two choices....eternal life....or eternal death.
Describe “eternal death.”
Certainly. The bible teaches that eternal life is a gift from God:
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
The wages of sin is death. The gift of God is eternal life:
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
The soul that sins dies...
Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Death is the fate of men without Christ, not eternal life:
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Only Jesus Christ is immortal:
1Ti 6:14 that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 1Ti 6:15 which He will bring about at the proper time--He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
1Ti 6:16 who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.
Your attempt to rationalize hell out of existence will have no fruit.
[Revelation 20:14-15] And death and hell (Hades,the grave) were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Death.....absence of life!
How do you suppose it correlates with “outer darkness?”
Three words are translated in the New Testament as Hell. Not one of them means one you believe it to be. Hades....the grave; Gehenna....a Jerusalem garbage dump; Tartarus.....a place where sinning Angels are being kept....dark and gloomy.
An ever burning Hell Fire is a fairy tale! You are attempting to rationalize it in to existence.
I'm not rationalizing hell out of existence. Biblically sinners DO NOT have eternal life. But there is a hell. However, the word translated "hell" is actually three different concepts and is expressed by 3 separate greek words and one hebrew. From Heaven and Hell:
The concept of hell being an everlasting place of torment for eternal people is a mistaken interpretation of the bible. In the original Hebrew and Greek languages in which the Bible was written, four words are translated "hell" in English. The four words convey three different meanings.
The Hebrew word sheol, used in the Old Testament, has the same meaning as hades, one of the Greek words translated "hell" in the New Testament.
The Anchor Bible Dictionary explains the meaning of both words: "The Greek word Hades ... is sometimes, but misleadingly, translated 'hell' in English versions of the N[ew] T[estament]. It refers to the place of the dead ... The old Hebrew concept of the place of the dead, most often called Sheol ... is usually translated as Hades, and the Greek term was naturally and commonly used by Jews writing in Greek" (1992, Vol. 3, p. 14, "Hades, Hell").
Both sheol and hades refer to the grave. A comparison of an Old Testament and a New Testament scripture confirm this. Psalm 16:10 says, "For You will not leave my soul in Sheol, nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption." In Acts 2:27 the apostle Peter quotes this verse and shows that it is a reference to Christ. Here the Greek word hades is substituted for the Hebrew sheol.
Where did Christ go when He died? He went to the grave. His body was placed in a tomb belonging to Joseph of Arimathea. The two passages, in Psalms and Acts, tell us Jesus' flesh did not decay in the grave because God resurrected Him.
The majority of scriptures that use the term hell are simply talking about the grave, the place where everyone, whether good or evil, goes at death. The Hebrew word sheol is used in the Old Testament 65 times. In the King James Version it is translated "grave" 31 times, "hell" 31 times and "pit" three times.
The Greek hades is used 11 times in the New Testament. In the King James translation in all instances but one the term hades is translated "hell." The one exception is 1 Corinthians 15:55, where it is translated "grave." In the New King James Version, the translators simply used the original Greek word hades in all 11 instances.
Two other Greek words are translated "hell" in the New Testament. One of these is tartaroo, used only once in the Bible (2 Peter 2:4), where it refers to the place where the fallen angels, or demons, are restrained awaiting their judgment. The Expository Dictionary of Bible Words explains that tartaroo means "to confine in tartaros" and that "Tartaros was the Greek name for the mythological abyss where rebellious gods were confined" (Lawrence Richards, 1985, "Heaven and Hell").
Peter used this reference to contemporary mythology to show that the sinning angels were "delivered ... into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment." Fallen angels are in a condition or place of restraint awaiting their ultimate judgment for their rebellion against God and destructive influence on humanity. Tartaroo applies only to demons. Nowhere does it refer to a fiery hell in which people are punished after death.
The third Greek word used in the Bible and translated "hell" is gehenna. This does refer to a fiery punishment for the wicked—but not in the manner portrayed in the hell of men's imagination.
Gehenna refers to a valley just outside Jerusalem. The word is derived from the Hebrew Ge-Hinnom, the valley of Hinnom (Joshua 18:16). At the time of Jesus this valley was what we might call the city dump—the place where garbage, trash and refuse were thrown and consumed in the fires that constantly burned there. The carcasses of dead animals—and the bodies of despised criminals—were also cast into Gehenna to be burned. Jesus used this particular location and what took place there to help us understand the fate the wicked and unrepentant will suffer in the future.
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Obviously you are a very selective Bible reader.
What about the story of the rich man, Lazrus, and Abraham?
You’ve created an end that is impossible by all that is contained in God’s word.
You are evidently referring to [Matthew 8:12;22:13 and 25:30].......correct?
Where was Lazarus? He sure wasn't in Heaven....he was in Abraham's bosum.....the grave.
[John 3:13] And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
No argument with John 3:13, but do you mean that Paul was in error when he declared “absent from the body, present with the Lord?”
A parable meant to illustrate the folly of depending on riches. It wasn't a literal statement on the nature of hell. If it were, then you would have to believe every part of it literally. For example, you would have to believe that "heaven" means that we gaze upon our loved ones burning in hell eternally.
I can give you scripture upon scripture that shows that men perish. The myth that we ALREADY have eternal life is the oldest lie of Satan:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
God told Adam and Eve that if they ate, they would die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Satan said, no, God's a liar. You won't die.
But they DID die and the process began at the moment they sinned.
Man is NOT immortal. That is Satan's lie.
Think about it. [Ecclesiastes 3:19] For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
[Ecclesiastes 9:5] For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
[Psalm 146:3-4] Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
[Matthew 10:28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
All these verse tell us that when we die we go back to the earth.....and know nothing. The Apostle knew that the very first instant after he died he would be resurrected as he knew there would be no sensation of passage of time. Paul believed....and it is scriptural....that the very first thing after death.....would be life in the resurrection. It doesn't matter that some folks will have been dead two thousand years.....because to them it will be an instant after they close their eyes in death.
Your assertion implies that a parable can tell a falsehood to convey the truth. Illogical, and also contrary to the principle of the inerrancy of the word. The Bible contains no fanciful theater; it uses one truth to convey another.
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