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(Illegal) Brazilians Giving Up Their American Dream
New York Times ^ | December 4, 2007 | Nina Bernstein and Elizabeth Dwoskin

Posted on 12/04/2007 3:58:55 PM PST by reaganaut1

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That decision — to give up on life in the United States — is being made by more and more Brazilians across the country, according to consular officials, travel agencies swamped by one-way ticket bookings, and community leaders in the neighborhoods that Brazilian immigrants have transformed, from Boston to Pompano Beach, Fla.

No one can say how many are leaving. But in the last half year, the reverse migration has become unmistakable among Brazilians in the United States, a population estimated at 1.1 million by Brazil’s government — four to five times the official census figures.

To explain an often wrenching decision to pull up stakes, homeward-bound Brazilians point to a rising fear of deportation and a slumping American economy. Many cite the expiration of driver’s licenses that can no longer be renewed under tougher rules, coupled with the steep drop in the value of the dollar against the currency of Brazil, where the economy has improved.

“You put it all together, and why should you stay in an environment like that if you have a place like Brazil, where there’s hope, a light at the end of the tunnel and it’s not a train to run you over?” said Pedro Coelho, a businessman in Mount Vernon, N.Y., who is known as the mayor of Brazilians in Westchester County. “Are they leaving? Yes, by the hundreds.”

In Massachusetts, says Fausto da Rocha, the founder of the Boston-area Brazilian Immigrant Center, his compatriots — many here illegally — are leaving by the thousands, some after losing homes in the subprime mortgage crisis. In New York and New Jersey, travel agents and others who sell airline seats say that one-way bookings to Brazil have more than doubled since last year, to about 150 daily from Kennedy International Airport ...

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: aliens; brazil; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; invaders
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1 posted on 12/04/2007 3:58:57 PM PST by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

I like happy stories.


2 posted on 12/04/2007 4:02:07 PM PST by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: reaganaut1
I know why-and it's none of the above. I used to work in construction while going through school and used day laborers all the time. They all worked hard and I never had a problem with any of them. Unfortunately, I was unaware of the damage I was doing.

Now that I am all grown up, I will not allow any contractors, including landscapers, to work on my house if they use illegal immigrants. Multiply that by tens of millions of patriotic Americans.

3 posted on 12/04/2007 4:05:19 PM PST by MattinNJ (I'm pulling for Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter-...but I'd vote for Rudy against Hillary)
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To: reaganaut1
“You put it all together, and why should you stay in an environment like that if you have a place like Brazil, where there’s hope, a light at the end of the tunnel and it’s not a train to run you over?”

T'Chau, chato...

4 posted on 12/04/2007 4:08:02 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: reaganaut1
In Massachusetts, says Fausto da Rocha, the founder of the Boston-area Brazilian Immigrant Center, his compatriots — many here illegally — are leaving by the thousands, some after losing homes in the subprime mortgage crisis.

Nice to see they further added to our collective woes while here illegally.

What did they think could be accomplished when here illegally, knowing they could be kicked out at any moment?

Idiots.

5 posted on 12/04/2007 4:08:39 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: MattinNJ

BUMP


6 posted on 12/04/2007 4:10:09 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: MattinNJ

I’d vote for Duncan Hunter in a heart beat.
If Conservatives want a lead pipe cinch they better get hehind Duncan Hunter!! The rest of the field is a non starter


7 posted on 12/04/2007 4:10:23 PM PST by Mojohemi
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To: reaganaut1
“You put it all together, and why should you stay in an environment like that if you have a place like Brazil, where there’s hope, a light at the end of the tunnel and it’s not a train to run you over?” said Pedro Coelho, a businessman in Mount Vernon, N.Y., who is known as the mayor of Brazilians in Westchester County.

Brazil, a place called "Hope!"

Can't say I'll miss them.

8 posted on 12/04/2007 4:10:23 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (Don't taze me, bro!!)
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To: reaganaut1

I think it’s terrific for Brazilians to live in Brazil.


9 posted on 12/04/2007 4:12:36 PM PST by Tax-chick (Every committee wants to take over the world.)
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To: reaganaut1

they would be welcome back if they would just return to Brazil, make proper application and then patiently wait for their turn to immigrate - legally!


10 posted on 12/04/2007 4:14:03 PM PST by elpadre
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To: Tax-chick

“I think it’s terrific for Brazilians to live in Brazil”

LOL!


11 posted on 12/04/2007 4:14:14 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Well, you know ...

They’re not coming here for the warm weather, naked women, or Carnival. If Brazil is looking up, and the U.S. is looking worse, it’s a great outcome for everyone.


12 posted on 12/04/2007 4:16:24 PM PST by Tax-chick (Every committee wants to take over the world.)
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To: reaganaut1

Bye then!


13 posted on 12/04/2007 4:19:32 PM PST by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: reaganaut1

“You put it all together, and why should you stay in an environment like that (no more good free/easy stuff) if you have a place like Brazil, where there’s hope, a light at the end of the tunnel and it’s not a train to run you over?”

Sounds logical to me,,wonder how many illegals,,,stories like this are keeping out..?


14 posted on 12/04/2007 4:23:00 PM PST by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tomorrow!)
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To: reaganaut1

The New York Times prints a “good news” story? Stunning!!


15 posted on 12/04/2007 4:24:06 PM PST by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: Tax-chick

BUMP


16 posted on 12/04/2007 4:24:57 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: T. Jefferson
Four years ago the Real was 4 to 1 dollar. Now it's under 2. Meanwhile their stock market is up 600% in 5 years. The US is no longer financially attractive. I've dated several Brazilian girls with accounting degrees, who left $6000 a year jobs and came here and make $25K tax free a year as nannies. It was great for them while it lasted.

It was great for me while they lasted. : )

17 posted on 12/04/2007 4:25:01 PM PST by T. Jefferson
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To: reaganaut1

This is nothing new...if it’s not worth working in this country...these illegals go home. If the economy is off here...no jobs no illegals...


18 posted on 12/04/2007 4:25:14 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: reaganaut1; gubamyster
"four to five times the official census figures"

Just more proof that there are probably at least 4 to 5 times more illegals here than the government estimates.

Further is proof that if we crack down and cut off the freebees, they will self deport....as we have been saying for a long time.

19 posted on 12/04/2007 4:26:31 PM PST by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: elpadre
They don’t think they should have wait. Just yesterday there was an article about legal ones who were whining about having to wait. The seem to forget the fact that they are fortunate just to be here. They want more and they want it now. They are not like those previous generations of immigrants who built this country.
20 posted on 12/04/2007 4:27:12 PM PST by isrul
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To: T. Jefferson

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EBVSP&t=5y


21 posted on 12/04/2007 4:27:13 PM PST by T. Jefferson
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Wasn't that a line from an old Sinatra song?:

There's an awful lot of Brazilian's in Brazil.

What was the name of the tune.....it's in my head but won't come out!

22 posted on 12/04/2007 4:28:24 PM PST by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: reaganaut1
You put it all together, and why should you stay in an environment like that if you have a place like Brazil, where there’s hope.

This should be put on billboards along the Southern Boarder. Maybe the Mexican illegals will turn south.

23 posted on 12/04/2007 4:28:27 PM PST by WesternPacific
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To: HardStarboard

“Brazil Lyrics (Frank Sinatra)

Frank Sinatra - Brazil Lyrics

Brazil, where hearts were entertaining June
We stood beneath an amber moon
And softly murmured “Someday soon”
We kissed and clung together

Then, tomorrow was another day
The morning found me miles away
With still a million things to say
Now, when twilight dims the sky above
Recalling thrills of our love
There’s one thing I’m certain of
Return I will to old Brazil

Then, tomorrow was another day
The morning found me miles away
With still a million things to say
Now, when twilight dims the sky above
Recalling thrills of our love
There’s one thing that I’m certain of
Return I will to old Brazil
That old Brazil
Man, it’s old in Brazil
Brazil, Brazil”


24 posted on 12/04/2007 4:31:54 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: reaganaut1
Many cite the expiration of driver’s licenses that can no longer be renewed under tougher rules, coupled with the steep drop in the value of the dollar against the currency of Brazil, where the economy has improved.

A twofer, IMO. This just points up the fact that they didn't want to become Americans, just live like them. They are economic refugees, drifting from opportunity to opportunity. What will they do when Brazil's economy goes sour (again)? Ask me if I care.

25 posted on 12/04/2007 4:32:41 PM PST by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Tax-chick

That’s just crazy-talk !

What would the world be like if citizens chose to live in their own countries ??


26 posted on 12/04/2007 4:35:56 PM PST by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: reaganaut1
Yup. Also know of two folks from Ecuador who work at the office cafe who are going back due to the weak dollar.

I will miss those Brazilian lovelies on the beach in Deerfield and Pompano, however. Definately beats seeing Myrna and Muriel show off their saddlebags!

27 posted on 12/04/2007 4:37:42 PM PST by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Didn’t Klintoon at one time live in a place called Hope?


28 posted on 12/04/2007 4:38:39 PM PST by 353FMG (Hillary - Al Qaeda's Dream Woman)
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To: MattinNJ

I’m all for using LEGAL immigrants to break the construction yoon-yuns in this part of the country. I agree with you about companies that hire illegals, however.


29 posted on 12/04/2007 4:38:46 PM PST by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Oh man, oh man what a song. Especially with the Nelson Riddle band in the background. Somehow, I’ve never gotten used to R&R.


30 posted on 12/04/2007 4:42:27 PM PST by 353FMG (Hillary - Al Qaeda's Dream Woman)
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To: reaganaut1

btt


31 posted on 12/04/2007 4:45:00 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: reaganaut1

Just imagine the rush to return home if we really rolled up the welcome mat — by clarifying that the 14th Amendment didn’t mean anchor babies, and non-citizens do not have rights to taxpayer funded education and welfare.

So much for the proponents of driver’s licenses for illegals who claimed that “they’re here and not going away, so we may as well get the licensed.”

So much for the banks pandering to them with “no-doc” mortgages. Hopefully those banks will learn their lesson that illegals’ business isn’t worth the trouble.

This “rush” of self-deportation is music to my ears.


32 posted on 12/04/2007 4:45:00 PM PST by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: 353FMG

BUMP


33 posted on 12/04/2007 4:45:44 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: reaganaut1
Neighborhoods the Brazilians called home in Boston's Ted Kennedy Country were Dorchester, Mattapan, Everett, and parts of Somerville. All are high crime areas. Possibly tired of dodging bullets in the hood.

Squatters in Dorchester live in boarded up buildings.

34 posted on 12/04/2007 4:59:53 PM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: reaganaut1

Yay! Illegal? Just here to make a buck?

Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.


35 posted on 12/04/2007 5:03:24 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: Tax-chick

It sounds like the kind of country where Nina Bernstein and Elizabeth Dwoskin would fit right in.


36 posted on 12/04/2007 5:06:53 PM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: reaganaut1

“Are they leaving? Yes, by the hundreds.”

The should be leaving by the brazillians.


37 posted on 12/04/2007 5:12:12 PM PST by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: reaganaut1

bump


38 posted on 12/04/2007 5:15:28 PM PST by VOA
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In Massachusetts, says Fausto da Rocha, the founder of the Boston-area
Brazilian Immigrant Center, his compatriots — many here illegally —
are leaving by the thousands


PREMISE: "But, you can't deport all the illegals!"

REALITY:
They ILLEGALLY imported themselves...
...no suprise they can DEPORT themselves!
39 posted on 12/04/2007 5:21:48 PM PST by VOA
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To: reaganaut1
"But in the last half year, the reverse migration has become unmistakable among Brazilians in the United States, a population estimated at 1.1 million by Brazil’s government — four to five times the official census figures."

I would almost bet real money that the 'official census figures' are totally off on most all nationalities of illegals. They do, after all, live 'in the shadows', as our government loves to point out when trying to make us love the idea of amnesty. I have said many times that the 12-20 million illegals that the politicians quote all of the time is more than likely something along the order of 40-50 million.

40 posted on 12/04/2007 5:25:41 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: xtinct
I have a Polish cousin who, until recently, lived in Mattapan, and, before that, Dorchester.

Here in NJ, the Br-azis are in Newark, Harrison, and Elizabeth.

41 posted on 12/04/2007 5:34:22 PM PST by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: reaganaut1

Sniff...pass the tissues.


42 posted on 12/04/2007 5:35:01 PM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: reaganaut1
screen door ... ass ... way out.

Buh-bye ...

43 posted on 12/04/2007 5:36:56 PM PST by webschooner
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To: MattinNJ
I will not allow any contractors, including landscapers, to work on my house if they use illegal immigrants.

My SiL in Ohio did the same.

She hired a yard service co. last year.
Told them up front, 'The first illegal she sees on her property. they are fired.'

44 posted on 12/04/2007 5:49:42 PM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: reaganaut1
...coupled with the steep drop in the value of the dollar against the currency of Brazil, where the economy has improved.

If they were real immigrants, planning to stay, the currency difference would be meaningless.

45 posted on 12/04/2007 5:53:34 PM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: reaganaut1

Why isn’t Brazil a regional economic power? They have rich natural resources and 200 million people


46 posted on 12/04/2007 6:04:55 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
I agree. Illegal immigration is much higher than 12-20 million. I've been working in Chicago all year, and before that Nashville. It seems that every labor and fast food job has been taken by illegal in these two towns. One on my coworkers was flying back to his home city in Ohio a couple of weeks ago. He sat next to a Chicago cop. They got to talking about illegal immigration. The cop said that it was estimated that 40% on the Hispanic population in Chicago was illegal, and that it was grounds for termination if they were to ask anyone if they were illegal or not. One thing that really fried my shorts was something I say riding the El out to Midway airport. There was a young Hispanic man sitting across from me with a t-shirt that said “Fighting Illegal Immigration Since 1492!”.
47 posted on 12/04/2007 6:15:41 PM PST by fourmation599 (Infidel is in the eye of the beholder)
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To: fourmation599
My husband and I went to the Nashville area back in June. There was a section of Brentwood that used to be working middle class whites, sprinkled with a black family here and there. My DIL grew up in that neighborhood and her parents still live there.

The inlaws are one of the few English first language families left there. For 2 miles in any direction, there is nothing but Hispanics, mostly illegal. Furniture out on the lawns, cars parked everywhere, barbequing in the front yard, loud music until late at night, no window coverings in many of the houses.

48 posted on 12/04/2007 6:33:19 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: reaganaut1

Brazil - land of opportunity.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1072.html

CRIME: Crime throughout Brazil has reached very high levels. The Brazilian police and the Brazilian press report that the rate of crime continues to rise, especially in the major urban centers – though it is also spreading in rural areas. Brazil’s murder rate is more than four times higher than that of the U.S. Rates for other crimes are similarly high. The majority of crimes are not solved. There were several reported rapes against American citizens in 2006.

Street crime remains a problem for visitors and local residents alike, especially in the evenings and late at night. Foreign tourists are often targets of crime and Americans are not exempt. This targeting occurs in all tourist areas but is especially problematic in Rio de Janeiro, Salvador and Recife.

Caution is advised with regard to nighttime travel through more rural areas and satellite cities due to reported incidents of roadside robberies that randomly target passing vehicles. Robbery and “quicknapping” outside of banks and ATM machines are common. In a “quicknapping,” criminals abduct victims for a short time in order to receive a quick payoff from the family, business or the victim’s ATM card. Some victims have been beaten and/or raped.

The incidence of crime against tourists is greater in areas surrounding beaches, hotels, discotheques, bars, nightclubs, and other similar establishments that cater to visitors. This type of crime is especially prevalent during Carnaval (Brazilian Mardi Gras), but takes place throughout the year. While the risk is greater at dusk and during the evening hours, street crime can occur both day and night, and even safer areas of cities are not immune. Incidents of theft on city buses are frequent and visitors should avoid such transportation. Several Brazilian cities have established specialized tourist police units to patrol areas frequented by tourists. In Rio de Janeiro, crime continues to plague the major tourist areas (see separate section on Rio de Janeiro).

At airports, hotel lobbies, bus stations and other public places, incidents of pick pocketing, theft of hand carried luggage, and laptop computers are common. Travelers should “dress down” when outside and avoid carrying valuables or wearing jewelry or expensive watches. “Good Samaritan” scams are common. If a tourist looks lost or seems to be having trouble communicating, a seemingly innocent bystander offering help may victimize them. Care should be taken at and around banks and internationally connected automatic teller machines that take U.S. credit or debit cards. Very poor neighborhoods known as “favelas,” such as those located on steep hillsides in Rio de Janeiro, are found throughout Brazil. These areas are sites of uncontrolled criminal activity and are often not patrolled by police. U.S. citizens are advised to avoid these unsafe areas. Carjacking is on the increase in Sao Paulo, Recife and other cities.

Travelers using personal ATMs or credit cards sometimes receive billing statements with non-authorized charges after returning from a visit to Brazil. The Embassy and Consulates have received numerous reports from both official Americans and tourists who have had their cards cloned or duplicated without their knowledge. Those using such payment methods should carefully monitor their banking online for the duration of their visit.

While the ability of Brazilian police to help recover stolen property is limited, it is nevertheless strongly advised to obtain a “boletim de ocorrencia” (police report) at a “delegacia” (police station) whenever any possessions are lost or stolen. This will facilitate the traveler’s exit from Brazil and insurance claims.

In many countries around the world, counterfeit and pirated goods are widely available. Transactions involving such products may be illegal under local law. In addition, bringing them back to the United States may result in forfeitures and/or fines. More information on this serious problem is available at http://www.cybercrime.gov/18usc2320.htm.


49 posted on 12/04/2007 6:40:23 PM PST by sbMKE
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...according to consular officials, travel agencies swamped by one-way ticket bookings, and community leaders in the neighborhoods that Brazilian immigrants have transformed, from Boston to Pompano Beach, Fla.

There's a neighborhood not all that far from me that illegal Brazilians have transformed.....into a violent,dirty,dangerous pit.Murders...deaths that result from individuals practicing medicine without a license.....

50 posted on 12/04/2007 7:16:59 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Wanna see how bad it can get? Elect Hillary and find out.)
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