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Murdered woman’s mother: I’ll do whatever it takes to help defeat Huckabee
Hot Air ^ | 12/04/07 | Hotair.com

Posted on 12/04/2007 3:10:31 PM PST by GOPGuide

Absolute moral authority?

"A Missouri mother says she will do “whatever it takes” to stop former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee from becoming president, because he freed the man who went on to rape and murder her daughter, Carol Sue Shields (pictured).

“I can’t imagine anybody wanting somebody like that running the country,” Lois Davidson of Adrian, Mo., told the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

Wayne Dumond was initially sentenced to life plus 25 years for raping a 17-year-old Arkansas high school cheerleader. In 1999, a parole board voted to free Dumond, after then-Gov. Mike Huckabee announced his desire to see him released."

If you’re not up to speed on the Dumond saga, get there because the rest of the field’s going to start flogging it. In much the same way that he conveniently omits the meager three-year residency requirement for the illegal alien tuition breaks he sponsored, Huck is quick to emphasize that he never took any official action to pardon Dumond or commute his sentence. Which is true, according to this Byron York piece from October, but also fails to mention that Huck did lobby the parole board on Dumond’s behalf. Why? Partly because he doubted the guy’s guilt; read York’s account to see why. But there’s more to it than that:

"Critics, and some friends, too, say Huckabee’s position was deeply influenced by his Christian faith. “When I first met him, I was going through his positions on issues and I said, ‘You’re a conservative, so I’m sure you oppose granting parole for violent felons,’” says Dick Morris, the campaign consultant who ran Huckabee’s first run for lieutenant governor. “And he said, ‘Oh no, I would never take that position, because the concept of Christian duty requires that there is a possibility of forgiveness. The concept of Christian forgiveness requires that we keep open the process of parole — use it sparingly, but keep it open.’” When I ask Huckabee about that, he reminds me that he was tough on a lot of criminals, too. “Heck, I executed more people than any governor in the history of the state,” Huckabee tells me. “It’s not something I’m bragging about, I’m just saying that if it had been simply a matter of my Christian conscience saying I don’t believe in capital punishment, then I was pretty lousy in my conscience.” Watching him speak, it’s clear Huckabee feels deeply about the issue. If he continues to rise in the polls, it’s likely he’ll be talking about it a lot more."

What makes Huckabee such a fascinating character is that he so often seems to pit two traditionally conservative values against each other: Christianity on the one hand and law and order on the other. It’s the same with his immigration position, where he wants (or so he says) to get control of the border while also happily encouraging illegals to immigrate with the prospect of scholarships or tuition breaks. He hasn’t cited any faith rationales for his stance on Gitmo but you can imagine that taking shape pretty easily. Exit question: How far is too far? Using Christianity as a shield for some of his more liberal positions may help in a pinch but there’s a segment of the base that already has qualms about the explicitness with which he’s touting his religion as a political asset. If he’s pushed on Dumond and invokes the spirit of mercy as justification, is it going to spook even mainstream conservatives?


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: carol; huckabee; mikehuckabee; shields; sue; williehorton
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Enjoy "Frontrunner" status Hucksterbee!
1 posted on 12/04/2007 3:10:35 PM PST by GOPGuide
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To: Dane; dano1

Another story regarding your hero.


2 posted on 12/04/2007 3:11:31 PM PST by GOPGuide
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To: GOPGuide; pissant

More goodness on the Huckster!


3 posted on 12/04/2007 3:12:10 PM PST by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: GOPGuide

Looking at Rasmussen, he is finally digging into Rudy, the one the MSM really wants. Good bye glowing reports on Huckabee. He was safe to promote when he was only hurting Romney and Thompson.


4 posted on 12/04/2007 3:13:33 PM PST by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: GOPGuide

Nothing like Willie Horton material to nail a candidate. I hope it ends the Huckster’s chances in Iowa.


5 posted on 12/04/2007 3:13:43 PM PST by montag813
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To: GOPGuide

The previous governor and the parole board share the blame...


6 posted on 12/04/2007 3:14:02 PM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: GOPGuide

As I recall, Dumond was alleged to have raped one of Clinton’s cousin, and she accused him. Some local good ‘ol boys then castrated Dumond and the local sheriff kept the testicles in a jar on his desk.

Jim Guy Tucker later commuted Dumond’s sentence while Clinton was campaigning for President.


7 posted on 12/04/2007 3:14:11 PM PST by bshomoic
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To: GOPGuide; Sun

Here we go!


8 posted on 12/04/2007 3:14:43 PM PST by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: GOPGuide
Wow, proof that he isn't psychic. That does it! I will NEVER vote for a candidate who isn't psychic!

/s

9 posted on 12/04/2007 3:14:58 PM PST by HHFi
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To: GOPGuide

Man, that’s gonna leave a mark.


10 posted on 12/04/2007 3:15:10 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian
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To: weegee

It is possible that Dumond was both a homicidal maniac AND innocent of raping Clinton’s cousin.


11 posted on 12/04/2007 3:15:28 PM PST by bshomoic
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To: GOPGuide
DUKAKIS REDUX...

If I remember correctly, releasing a murdering rapist helped torpedo the "other" loser named Mikey...


12 posted on 12/04/2007 3:16:00 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: GOPGuide
"A Missouri mother says she will do “whatever it takes” to stop former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee from becoming president, because he freed the man who went on to rape and murder her daughter, Carol Sue Shields

Come November 2008 if he gets nominated those campaign commercials are going to be BRUTAL.

13 posted on 12/04/2007 3:16:18 PM PST by SpringheelJack
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To: GOPGuide
Murdered woman’s mother: I’ll do whatever it takes to help defeat Huckabee.

Now, that's what I like to hear. I intend to help her get her story out. I'm sorry her daughter was murdered, but hopefully it will show people just what a snake Huckster is. Many more people will die because of the Huckster's open borders policy!

15 posted on 12/04/2007 3:19:48 PM PST by NRA2BFree
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To: HHFi

“Wow, proof that he isn’t psychic. That does it! I will NEVER vote for a candidate who isn’t psychic!”

Yes, who could have ever predicted that a convicted rapist would be a risk of being a repeat offender!


16 posted on 12/04/2007 3:20:17 PM PST by GOPGuide
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m I the only one who thinks Huckabee’s eyes are creepy? Seriously, his eyes have some weird psychopathic look to them.


17 posted on 12/04/2007 3:21:28 PM PST by GOPGuide
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To: bshomoic

If this is the same Dumond, you’re right. And as you said later down the thread, he may have been innocent of the first attack and still have been a bad individual.


18 posted on 12/04/2007 3:23:15 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Mr. President, Article IV Section IV is in our Constitution, and the states it refers to are ours.)
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To: GOPGuide
"I’m I the only one who thinks Huckabee’s eyes are creepy? Seriously, his eyes have some weird psychopathic look to them."

Gomer Pyle meets Norman Bates.

19 posted on 12/04/2007 3:23:53 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: GOPGuide
The concept of Christian forgiveness requires that we keep open the process of parole — use it sparingly, but keep it open.’”

No. The concept of Christian forgiveness is that the individual who was harmed makes the decision to forgive; the state is obligated and has the responsibility to punish those who have committed offenses against innocent people and ensure that those individuals are kept away from society. For the state to release dangerous people into the community is a horrible failure of leadership and an abrogation of responsibility.

Gov. Huckabee does not have the judgment to be president.

20 posted on 12/04/2007 3:24:18 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GOPGuide

This could become “Willie Horton” on Steroids.


21 posted on 12/04/2007 3:30:27 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
No. The concept of Christian forgiveness is that the individual who was harmed makes the decision to forgive; the state is obligated and has the responsibility to punish those who have committed offenses against innocent people and ensure that those individuals are kept away from society. For the state to release dangerous people into the community is a horrible failure of leadership and an abrogation of responsibility. Gov. Huckabee does not have the judgment to be president.

BRAVO!

Exactly right.

22 posted on 12/04/2007 3:32:21 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: GOPGuide

Check out my definition of “front runner” in my tagline ...


23 posted on 12/04/2007 3:33:03 PM PST by ROTB (Front Runner=rich guy who doesn't hate evil and strives to offend no one, AND WILL SELL YOU OUT.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

You’re right, this story doesn’t reflect well on Flabby Mike’s judgement...or honesty.


24 posted on 12/04/2007 3:33:36 PM PST by Dagnabitt (Undocumented Voters for Huckabee - Si se puede!!)
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To: GOPGuide

The rush to the “Huckster” must be driven by the DNC, since he must be who the DNC wishes to run against in Nov 08...

There is TOO MUCH unforgivable for most conservatives or Americans in the “Huckster’s” record....

I do NOT want a “forgiving” bleeding heart, nor an open borders advocate in the office of President.....
The “Huskster” is both.

Folks need to remember that many of the most vocal “christians” in America have been proven to have “feet of clay”....


25 posted on 12/04/2007 3:34:16 PM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: GOPGuide

“Critics, and some friends, too, say Huckabee’s position was deeply influenced by his Christian faith.

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In the good old days, those sentenced to death were given an altar-call invitation to confess their sins before God, and accept Jesus Christ, because in 10 days they would face Him.

I hate squishy, feel-good, nonsense.


26 posted on 12/04/2007 3:35:04 PM PST by ROTB (Front Runner=rich guy who doesn't hate evil and strives to offend no one, AND WILL SELL YOU OUT.)
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To: GOPGuide

Sheesh. Every day it’s something else with this clown Huckabee.
No wonder the dying, socialist “mainstream” newsrooms are pushing him - - he’s one guy the rats can beat.


27 posted on 12/04/2007 3:36:45 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Ingtar

Rasputin for President!! :-)


28 posted on 12/04/2007 3:37:00 PM PST by wazoo1031
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To: GOPGuide

Yet another example of some good ol’ Huckabee Amnesty.


29 posted on 12/04/2007 3:38:20 PM PST by GOPyouth (Common Sense! Conservative Principles! Fred Thompson for President!)
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To: GOPGuide

Is this the face that sinks Mike Hucksterbee? We can only hope.

30 posted on 12/04/2007 3:38:49 PM PST by ssaftler (Which Al is more deadly: Al Qaeda or Al Gore?)
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To: Lancey Howard

Exactly. The MSM is pushing him because he is a weak candidate and a clown as you noted. There is no question that he will lose, especially now with his Willie Horton moment.


31 posted on 12/04/2007 3:41:44 PM PST by Dante3
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To: GOPGuide

I have a hard time looking at him for longer 30 seconds.


32 posted on 12/04/2007 3:47:07 PM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: GOPGuide

What bothers me are his teeth. He has a terrible smile.


33 posted on 12/04/2007 3:47:56 PM PST by surrey
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To: GOPGuide

BUMP FOR LATER


34 posted on 12/04/2007 3:48:34 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: All

I dont think its Christian to value the rights of criminals over the rights of victims....nor Christian to value the rights of illegal aliens over the rights of American citizens

And we are worried about Mitt Romney’s faith?

Hucksterbee sounds dangerous...and I feel for this woman losing her daughter based on Huckster’s “faith”


35 posted on 12/04/2007 3:53:41 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Kevin Smith for Heisman)
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To: bshomoic
Possible, but extremely unlikely. Criminal history including homicide and sexual molestation in Oklahoma and Oregon. Huckabee is a fool and has unclean hands.

Web special: Dumond case revisited

36 posted on 12/04/2007 4:04:43 PM PST by Valpal1 (Blame the loss of civility on criminals and terrorists, not the cops.)
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To: bshomoic

You’re right and as I remember it, many here thought he was innocent. If I remember right, most here thought the Huckster did the right thing getting him out of jail.

Still, if it keeps him from being nominated or getting the VP slot, I don’t care what the thought was here.

He’s another Jimmy Carter.


37 posted on 12/04/2007 4:05:40 PM PST by SUSSA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Huckabee really stinks! and Thank you for your posts, now his agenda is clear!! Fred Thompson in 08!!!!!


38 posted on 12/04/2007 4:14:26 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: Ingtar

The MSM doesn’t want to see Rudy go up against Hillary. They can’t very well hit Rudy on his family life if he is running against a Clinton.

The MSM wants Huckabee. They are salivating at the thought of depicting him as an out of touch with reality, country bumpkin, whose faith based political views are very similar to
Bush’s.


39 posted on 12/04/2007 4:24:31 PM PST by Eva
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To: GOPGuide

Good for her. I would vote for McCain before I voted for Huckabee and I despise McCain.


40 posted on 12/04/2007 4:30:09 PM PST by DFG
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To: GOPGuide

Yikes, this is a lot like Willie Horton.

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Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts


41 posted on 12/04/2007 4:34:39 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: GOPGuide

Too many great comments here to pick a winner!

This loving woman has presented us all with something which we cannot ignore (truth), even if it goes against the populist tide!

In the end, you will not pass muster, Mike!


42 posted on 12/04/2007 4:37:02 PM PST by Grateful One
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To: GOPGuide

There has been some unfair criticism of Huckabee in regard to taxes but this incident is truly sickening...


43 posted on 12/04/2007 4:38:30 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Kevmo

“Yikes, this is a lot like Willie Horton.”

You’re right, unlike the weak Romney judge analogy this has teeth.


44 posted on 12/04/2007 4:38:48 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: Valpal1

BUMP


45 posted on 12/04/2007 4:57:39 PM PST by Dante3
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day

No wonder Laura Ingraham, and so many others, want to see Duncan Hunter get traction.

We all must do what we can to get Duncan Hunter name recognition.


46 posted on 12/04/2007 5:12:51 PM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Sun

That is the main problem - the MSM has done all it could to prevent Hunter from having name recognition.


47 posted on 12/04/2007 5:14:46 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Dante3

We can help get Hunter’s name out by calling talk shows, and writing editor’s letters, and of course, contributing to his campaign.

Dr. Richard Land is on Saturdays from noon until 3 p.m., Eastern Time. I think he has the most affiliates on the 2 - 3 p.m. hour. I called at that time and didn’t have to wait too long. I started with a couple of social issues that Hunter stands for, and then mentioned other issues, like borders. I heard Dr. Land say last Saturday that we must secure our borders because of drugs, etc.

Dr. Land also said to a caller that Duncan Hunter is just as pro-life as Huckabee (I believe Hunter is more pro-life.)

Dr. Land’s phone # to call the show is: 1-888-324-8456.

http://www.richardlandlive.com/

You can click to the left and see if the show airs in your area, probably on a religious station, or you can listen online, or listen to replays.


48 posted on 12/04/2007 5:37:05 PM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Sun
Hunter is more pro-life than Huckabee. All GOP candidates except Rudy are pro-life. Rudy stands alone on this issue. Yet Huckabee is taking votes from Hunter and Thompson and benefiting Rudy. Let’s face it - Huckabee will never win. He must be expecting to be Rudy’s VP.
49 posted on 12/04/2007 5:41:33 PM PST by Dante3
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Huckabee: “...the concept of Christian duty requires that there is a possibility of forgiveness.”

There’s where he erred.

It wasn’t his duty to experiment with the lives of innocent citizens. Forgiveness is soley the provence of the victims and their survivors.

Some politician wants to show forgiveness, he should be required to house the early-release felon in his own dadgum neighborhood.


50 posted on 12/04/2007 6:08:32 PM PST by Titan Magroyne ("Shorn, dumb and bleating is no way to go through life, son." Yeah, close enough.)
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