Posted on 12/04/2007 7:55:17 AM PST by vietvet67
In what may be the most important voting case since Bush v. Gore, the U.S. Supreme Court in January will hear a challenge to Indiana’s 2006 law requiring a voter ID to vote. If the court rules against the law, 22 state voter ID laws that were designed to prevent voter fraud could be eliminated.
Democrats and so-called voting rights groups such as ACORN, the ACLU and the League of Women Voters (all of whom are challenging the law) claim there has been little actual voter fraud, few federal prosecutions and convictions, and that the purpose of the Indiana law is to prevent minorities and the poor from voting.
This argumentation and legal challenge are being made despite numerous cases of voter fraud that have been reported by the media over the last 10 years. Adding fuel to this fire recently were stunning statements by two prominent political activists -- a Democrat and a Republican -- on opposite sides of the continent that show that voter fraud in the United States is very real.
The Albuquerque Tribune reported in January 2007 that the newly elected New Mexico elections director and former general counsel for the state Democratic Party, Daniel Ivey-Soto, frankly told county elections officials that voter fraud exists in that key swing state. “I have been in conversations with people who have told me that, at various times, they’ve voted more than once on Election Day.…It happens.” Asked by the clerks how he could guarantee that same-day voter registration laws would not cause more voter fraud, Ivey-Soto replied, “I can’t ... but I can’t guarantee there isn’t fraud going on now.…I know people who have gone on Election Day and voted multiple times because they knew people who weren’t going to vote.
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That's pretty rich! ACORN was found GUILTY of voter fraud in Washington State during our last election. Now they are trying to downplay it happens when they are one of the groups that is active in voter fraud?!
I am hopeful that the current Supreme court will knock down this socialist attempt to cheat on our national elections. I think everyone needs ID and a simple history test which may include such questions as: 1) Who kicked Santana’s butt out of Texas? 2) How many miles of the border fence have been erected to date? 3) How many illegals does it take to cross the border illegally?
These are the same groups that go to court claiming fraud when ever a democrat or liberal initiative loses.
what a crock!!!
ALWAYS throw it back in their faces that it is ALWAYS a Democrat that opposes making sure a voter is eligible to vote.
Ineligible (illegal) voters cancel out, and DISINFRANCHISE, legitimate voters.
But, leftists don’t care, because the ends always justify the means.
One is too many. By the way, I can't remember reading about one single case of Republican voter fraud. Democrats commit voter fraud.
But whenever anyone starts yelping about black people being disenfranchised, the courts bend over backwards as to not offend blacks.
I have a bad felling on this one, because the courts will be sold a pile crap, that this is a civil rights issue, a way to prevent blacks from voting.
Here’s the deal, I don’t give a rat’s ass what color you are, if you can’t take the time to get a proper ID, if the state will provide one if you ask for one and you still don’t want to -— you are too stupid, too lazy or both to vote.
This was no secret. The trail and events were covered by The New York Times and other major publications. Most of them more accurate than The New York Times but The Atlanta Journal-Constitution is about as bad.
The voter fraud took place in the Democrat primary only, of course. And that is, of course, the reason no one in the press or on the wrong side of the aisle remembers it.
Overwhelming democRAT voter.....WHAT A SHOCK!!!!!!
Nah, make it about current events. Ask who is the current President of the U.S. There goes thousands of ignorant voters. Ask who is the vice president and you might eliminate hundreds of thousands. Ask who is your U.S. Senator and you're in the millions.
Up side? There would never be another democrat elected to any office.
I have been trying to obtain a Matricula Consular card from the Mexican embassy to prove what a fraud it is, no luck thus far. Damn me for not being a criminal!
Yeah, here in New Mexico we are very familiar with it. There is also the extra box of votes from Donna Ana county that always magically appear when the vote is close.
“trying to obtain a Matricula Consular card”
What documents are needed now? They shot down a program in Colorado where I would have just needed a utilities bill and maybe a library card. Photoshop was ready to go!
I'd add to it naming your representative in the U.S. House, along with a basic geography test like pointing to your state on a globe. The key would be making it simple enough that someone who cares would not need to spend more than 5 minutes to look up the answers.
How Voter Fraud in Philadelphia Affect Us All
By 2banana
According to CNN, Bush lost Pennsylvania to Kerry by 144,248 votes (out of more than 5.7 million cast - a razor thin margin that was even closer than the “too close to call” Ohio vote).
Also according to CNN, Kerry received about 542,000 votes and Bush received about 130,000 votes in Philadelphia (or a ratio of 4.16 for Kerry).
Now, for the really interesting numbers. According to the recent US Census, the Population of Philadelphia that is of voting age is 1,105,066. This number includes people who by law can not vote (non-American citizens, felons, out of state college students, etc.). In 2004, there were 1,035,395 registered voters in Philadelphia, up 34,000 from 2001.
So, what does this mean?
First, even as Philadelphia looses population, the number of registered voters continues to increase, year after year. Today, in Philadelphia, nearly 100% of every person of voting age must registered to vote (as compared to a national average of 60% by the Census Bureau). Consider, since 1995, Philadelphia’s voter rolls have jumped 24 percent while at the same time that the city’s population has declined by 13 percent.
Second, the total lopsidedness of the 4.16 ratio is an absolutely astounding number - even heavily democratic Broward Country, FL (one of the only places Gore wanted recounted in 2000) only went for Kerry 2:1 and Cook County, IL (Chicago - THE definition of the democrat voting machine) only went for Kerry 2.5:1.
Either Philadelphia has the most engaged and civic population in the history of the World, or there is massive voter fraud.
And the amount of fraud easily exceeds the margin of loss of President Bush. For instance, if the registration was above average and if Philadelphia was just your “average-democrat-rustbelt-city-union-stronghold with a 50 year democrat political machine,” the vote for Kerry in Philadelphia would have been just over 350,000. The voter fraud in Philadelphia is worth about 150,000 votes - a deficit that any Republican running for statewide office must overcome with real votes.
But is this “real” fraud or is it one of the easily predicted “unintended consequences” of the Clinton Motor-Voter Law? A few nights before the 2004 presidential election, Chris Matthews, Howard Fineman, Andrea Mitchell and the Mayor of Philadelphia (John Street) were on Hardball. They were all laughing away about how the election was great for the economy of Philadelphia, and suggesting that there would plenty of “street money” around to “get out the vote.” And these are the same people who are going to stop or report any kind of voter fraud?
I find it ironic that a country like Afghanistan (where I had combat tour of duty), with no history of democracy, has a country wide and nearly fraud free election under the oversight of us - Americans. But we instituted a few rules like - you had to prove you are an Afghan, you had to get a voter ID, show the voter ID when you voted, your name had to match the voter roll, and you had to get your thumb stamped by permanent ink so you couldn’t vote twice.
Maybe, one day, in Philadelphia, we will have free and fair elections with a minimum of fraud on the level of the recent vote in Afghanistan.
An ID is not too much to ask. People who object are the same people who want to preserve the current and future vote fraud schemes.
I noticed with interest that most voter frauds occurred in large cities with strong union presence. They had the funds and manpower to help the fraud process along to achieve the desired results.
And most unions favor the Democrats in the elections for the promised benefits.
I hate the very idea of a voter or national ID card. But it will be necessary to protect our country from those who would destroy it.
When I was a boy, the League of Women Voters was a highly respected and trusted organization. They used to organize the presidential debates, and they could be trusted to do so with complete fairness.
We’ve come a long way down hill since then.
Odd that THE senior document in Mexico is THE VOTER ID CARD!
Yes...noticed this on Mexican TV newscast....in Mexico they have to have a voter ID to vote
No doubt that those who oppose voter ID are supporting vote fraud. Even that cesspool to the south of us requires it (
Yet it is the most shabbily treated by politicians and voters alike.
Each State and Precinct should guard this precious right with diligence. Only identifiably citizens in their wards should be registered and only identifiable registered voters permitted in the booth (one at a time).
Registration on voting days or within days of, is an invitation to fraud. Registering at Vehicle License Bureaus is an invitation for fraud. Registering college students in October having just arrived in school with no knowledge of local questions and then bussed to voting stations in thumbing noses at the constitution.
One of our worst curses is the illegal and the uninformed voter.
I agree on both counts ... I’ll add that I like the “inky finger” thing that a lot of third-world countries do ... no double dipping when you’ve got a purple finger.
Dang! Next thing ya know, they’ll require a picture ID to drive a car. hic!!!!
The Driver’s Licenses for ILLEGALS was ONLY so they could VOTE ILLEGALLY!! NON-CITIZENS voting means citizens are DIS-ENFRANCHISED!! This cannot stand if our country wants to remain standing!
BTTT!
As a college student, I always voted absentee “back home”. I knew the issues there better.
I bet there has been so much voter fraud in Democratic precincts over decades. Especially in the central cities . . . who’s going to rat on any cheating?
The fact that the ACLU, ACORN et al are opposing this confirms alot right there.
If I were on the Supreme Court I’d be tempted to rule that it is unconstitutional NOT to require ID. Each illegal vote cancels out the vote of some legitimate voter...
Well, Stevie Ray would have, if he had been around.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009189
Acorn has the nuts to claim there has been little actual voter fraud?
My modest proposal on the subject is to add to an ID that proves citizenship requirement, a new penalty for anyone convicted of any sort of voter fraud, directly or indirectly.
First, the vote is thrown out completely and the entire election is held again 3 months later - with no matching funds or public finance of any kind. For one stinking vote, because where there is one there are many (this "not enough proven cases to overturn the result" crap is just that, crap).
Second, for those directly involved, especially campaign workers conniving at it - shot at dawn...
I hate the idea of a NATIONAL ID card too, although I have a passport. A VOTER ID card should be a local or state ID card, and it should include proof of (1) citizenship, (2) residency, and (3) eligibility to vote.
With absentee and early voting, the ink finger would not completely prevent multiple voting. But it would at least be a start toward preventing the vanloads of democrats that get bussed from precinct to precinct from voting multiple times on election day.
It’s more than that. The Mexican Voter ID is the primary document. Only with a voter ID can you open a bank account, get a passport, get a driver license, etc.
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Let me get this straight. In all other Western democracies, like, say, Switzerland, where you must show your ID when you go to vote, the poor are being disenfranchised?
If that is so, is it wrong to ask the poor to show ID when they use a credit card? Is it wrong to ask them to punch in a 4-digit code when they use a debit card??
Do poor people have a harder time getting an ID card out of a purse or wallet?
In Indiana, we had the first complete Election with the Voter ID Requirement this year.
RESULT:
Democrats LOST a couple of key seats in former Democrat “Strongholds”, most notably the Mayor of Indianapolis...
And not by a small margin, either.
While the local furor over massive property tax increases played a big part, the inner-city “Turnout” was the smallest in years, on a decent weather day.
Imagine that...
Sergio Mendez.
I agree.
Also, the last time I went to vote (local election), the kindly sweet older lady behind the desk heard my name and my street, and showed me where to sign: next to someone with a SIMILAR name.
Why isn’t voting as important as buying a pack of gum at 7-11 with a credit card?
That would seriously thin the Detroit population...lol
New Orleans and Louisiana is becoming an example of what happens when you clean out some of the Democrat Strongholds, and “Start Over”.
Total Votes cast in New Orleans are down 40% from Before Katrina, and the difference means that a REPUBLICAN is now Governor of Louisiana, even though Democrats won in New Orleans itself.
The population of Detroit is already seriously thin, and keeps thinning itself more every night....
So what happened in The Region? Did the machine issue tamperproof Ghost Voter ID?
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